Is the Internet the End of Religion?

Jun 14, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Religion Dispatched

Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett, half of the "Four Horsemen of New Atheism," recently indulged an Oxford audience with an hour-long conversation about the "evolution" of religion.

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Well in some parts it says they lives in Nazareth other parts say they lived in bethleham. Those two cities were 80 miles apart though. Pretty glaring error. As expected you lack the IQ to understand my question.
Matthew says the old testament prophets claim the messiah would be called the Nazarene. Find me th old testament passage that ever says such a prophecy. Hurry up now get to reading. Lol
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The passage you are looking for is in Isaiah 53:2.
Depending on what Bible you have you will see the word shoot. The translation of that word to Hebrew comes to be Nasir which is simular to the word Nazarene. Also a side note the Hebrew word for Nazarene translated to English means Christian.
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Christ was a Nazarene. You never heard Jesus of Nazareth? If you have no idea of why he is called the Nazarene you just have to look where Joseph and Mary are from. Christ parents came from Nazareth so it makes Christ a Nazarene. Just like if your parents came from Poland, it would make you then Polish.
According to history, Nazareth was not founded until 400CE.
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<quoted text>According to history, Nazareth was not founded until 400CE.
You people and actual historical facts! Why do you think that actual history should trump our bible? We reserve the right to change history any way we want, to make it fit our beliefs. After all God is on our side!
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<quoted text>According to history, Nazareth was not founded until 400CE.
What ever history you are looking at is wrong do to this. The Gospel of Luke was written in 60. In the Gospel of Luke Nazareth is stated. You find this in Luke 1:26. During the time of Christ Nazareth was only a small farm town, and maybe what your looking at is when it became a city?

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:) I love how man changes the word of God :)
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Nazareth did not exist as an identified place until centuries after the life of Jesus. The then-christian Romans named a place Nazareth to cover for the fact that despite the biblical accounts, there was no such place.

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:) I love how man changes the word of God :)
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Well, they created god's word in the first place, so them changing it is no big whoop...
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:) I love how man changes the word of God :)
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Well we men were created in God's good image, but I think God messed up when it came to the woman having the ability to leave the kitchen. By the way why are you off your leash did you get the key again?

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Lmfao the passage talking about the ugly servant who grew up in a barren area? That's the scripture you want to go with because in some random. Version of it you find a word that with imagination kind of looks like Nazarene?? If we played the game of words in the bible that are similar to another word we could do all kinds of crazy sht! The Hebrew word? The book of Matthew wasn't written in Hebrew. Sigh.

Hey I do admire you calling Jesus ugly though :)
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The passage you are looking for is in Isaiah 53:2.
Depending on what Bible you have you will see the word shoot. The translation of that word to Hebrew comes to be Nasir which is simular to the word Nazarene. Also a side note the Hebrew word for Nazarene translated to English means Christian.
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Lmfao the passage talking about the ugly servant who grew up in a barren area? That's the scripture you want to go with because in some random. Version of it you find a word that with imagination kind of looks like Nazarene?? If we played the game of words in the bible that are similar to another word we could do all kinds of crazy sht! The Hebrew word? The book of Matthew wasn't written in Hebrew. Sigh.
Hey I do admire you calling Jesus ugly though :)
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Wow! I thought I was the one who was lacking the IQ. It looks like you need to improve your reading skills. Is that all you got out of that chapter is that Jesus was an ugly servant. If so I suggest you try to reread it again because that was a major fail. Secondly if at all you remember we were talking about Christ being the Nazarene, and the Nazarene being stated in the Old Testament. I again will point out to you Isaiah 53:2 which states the word shoot, or in the King James Version a tender plant. This key word are you with me? This key word translated from the English version to the Hebrew versions will translate to the word Nasir, which refers to the word the Nazarene. Now again this is in Isaiah which is in the Old Testament of the Bible, which was written in Hebrew. Hebrew if you did not know is the original language of the Jews. So anyways no I did not just pick out some random chapter, and if you actually read the whole chapter you would know what it was about. To give some help Isaiah chapter 52: 10, 13, 15 is about God bring salvation to the world with his servant who will shut the mouths of kings. Isaiah chapter 53: 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 is about God's servant is who going to be rejected by many, and will face many sorrows. In these verses you will also find that this servant was wounded for are transgressions and by his suffering we were healed. You will also find that this person was taken to prison, judged and cut out of the land of the living because of our transgressions. Ex... Now actually go and read chapter 53, and do some research before you tell me I don't know what the hell I'm talking about ;) Have Fun!

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Naturally man made it all up after all nothing more than legends and myth like Robin Hood.
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<quoted text>Well, they created god's word in the first place, so them changing it is no big whoop...

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Ok I will have fun. Again show me the old testament scripture that says the messiah will be called the Nazarine? You went wild after I showed you how your scripture says the messiah wouldn't be much to look at aka fugly. All your other wailing fails to address my question which is show the old testament passage that states the messiah will be called the Nazarine. Not that the messiah will have people doubt him not that the messiah will be a fugy Jew none of this is the slightest bit relevant. It seems you are unable to show this old testament passage. I shall give you another chance so I can chuckle at your inevitable failure.
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Wow! I thought I was the one who was lacking the IQ. It looks like you need to Have Fun!
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What ever history you are looking at is wrong do to this. The Gospel of Luke was written in 60. In the Gospel of Luke Nazareth is stated. You find this in Luke 1:26. During the time of Christ Nazareth was only a small farm town, and maybe what your looking at is when it became a city?
No matter the proof, when presented to xtians, they will solve the problem. Christard.
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redneck wrote:
<quoted text>No matter the proof, when presented to xtians, they will solve the problem. Christard.
Xtian no why would you think that?

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Keys wrote:
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What ever history you are looking at is wrong do to this. The Gospel of Luke was written in 60. In the Gospel of Luke Nazareth is stated. You find this in Luke 1:26. During the time of Christ Nazareth was only a small farm town, and maybe what your looking at is when it became a city?
I'm not sure this controversy can be settled conclusively. The Gospel of Luke may have been written in 60 or 70 CE, but when was the oldest extant transcript produced? How many generations old is it?

Before printing presses, literature of all sorts was hand copied by transcriptionists with varying degrees of literacy. Some might have corrected perceived errors or brought texts "up to date" by, among other things, changing old place names to current ones. It's possible that Nazareth was called by another name during the first century or that the Nazareth of that time was not the same place as modern Nazareth. How would we know unless there were a sufficient body of transcriptions to be correctly dated and properly cross-referenced?

Moreover, there is probably more than one place name that could be transliterated as Nazareth in modern language. There may have even been more than one such place name in the same region at the same time. Again, how could we know given the paucity of surviving documents of the time? How many contemporary documents even existed in the first place given the low rates of literacy during the first century?

There are many things about the past that will probably never be known with any degree of confidence that approaches certainty. This may be one of them.

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The internet has not been the death of Faux News. The uncensored nature of the internet means that along with factual information, there's tons of nonsense posted by various crackpots and lunatics. If you are looking for any factoid to support any position at all on any subject, you can find someone on the internet who agrees with you.
In America, christians have erected an entire Potemkin village of christian culture that mirrors secular culture, but with jesus layered as a veneer over it. From literature, like the "Left Behind" series (I use the term 'literature' loosely to include these crude potboilers, to music, like the 'worship anthems' advertised on late night TV, to dating sites like 'christian mingle' that assure the True Believer never ends up dating a heathen, to TV channels filled 24/7 with people babbling aboug jay-zus-suh (it's beyond me how they get three syllables out of that, but they do) to their own 'science' like the Creation Museum and insitutions of higher ignorance, like Bob Jones University and Liberty University. The existence of information outside the cocoon means nothing, because the cocoon was constructed to keep that information out.
FYI, the Left Behind books are clearly labeled "fiction" in the public library. LeHaye claims they are dramatizations based *loosely* on bible scripture
I had to point out to a librarian that his book, Revelation Unveiled, was labeled by the publisher as non-fiction. I found it very funny that so many Christians who were fans of his "fiction" had no clue that, in reality, he believed that absolutely no Christians would make it to heaven. It is the purest irony that he made so much money off misguided Christian fans.

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Still waiting on the old testament passage calling the messiah a nazarene. Yawn any luck finding it apolgetics?

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Jesus is dead.
But pagans are antiquated.
Unless you worship the pagan gods of Cock and Anal. Then you are a democrat.
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Still waiting on the old testament passage calling the messiah a nazarene. Yawn any luck finding it apolgetics?
Why would anyone respond to a question that has an error in it? "Apolgetics" is spelled "Apologetics". Think before you post because it really shows the reader how ignorant you are with misspelled word's.

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Need to Know wrote:
<quoted text> Why would anyone respond to a question that has an error in it? "Apolgetics" is spelled "Apologetics". Think before you post because it really shows the reader how ignorant you are with misspelled word's.
So no proof of god then. Just checking.

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Shall I really pounce on your lot every time try slightly misspell a word? That's all we'd ever do! Lol trying to redirect because nobody can find it! Haha how pathetic!

Still waiting for this old testament passage that days the messiah would be called the nazarene. Any luck people?
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<quoted text> Why would anyone respond to a question that has an error in it? "Apolgetics" is spelled "Apologetics". Think before you post because it really shows the reader how ignorant you are with misspelled word's.

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