Is My Dog an Atheist?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#124 May 8, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
<quoted text>So what, 90%- 95% of all cultures are theists.
So?

Religion is an INHERITED DISEASE OF THE MIND.

As language is taught? RELIGION INFECTS THE NEWLY EMERGING BRAIN.

Not that long ago? Everyone just KNEW the world was FLAT.

It is not-- in spite of BELIEF TO THE CONTRARY.

All the wishing(belief) in the world WILL NOT MAKE THE WORLD FLAT.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#125 May 8, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
And dogs cannot be atheists, since in the conventional, historical, Einsteinium usage, it requires denial,
You are SO FULL OF SHYT.

Denial?

I deny NOTHING-- there is no need!

All that I ask?

IS PROOF.

If you have NO PROOF? You are simply lying.

That is NOT denial at all!

SHOW ME THE PROOF-- if you cannot? You are LYING.

Simple.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#126 May 8, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
<quoted text>The point is, indoctrination is not required.
It does not really matter where you stand on the issue, indoctrination is not required.
Athiesm is not the default position, as evidenced by the multitudes who all came up with their own religion, separate from most of the others.
If you want to say at birth.......may be t4rue, maybe not, doesn't matter.
By the time a human comes to the age of reason, interaction with others results in religion, een if none existed before.
"a god was born from the mind of man'- is not indoctrination.
Atheism is not the default position of the human mind.
Atheism is the default, and that men invented many gods, shows that many men are willing to use and to control their fellow man to in an effort to better themselves.

By the time a person comes to the age of reason, is far too late, just ask a religitard. Indoctrination begins at the toddler stage. "Jesus loves me" is presented first, rather than "the god, will make your parents cook and eat you". The reason being, children have to be lied to carefully or they will step away from the indoctrination.

If the child's family and peer groups are not pushing a god, the child will not be indoctrinated, and at the age when they are capable of extracting the ridiculous elements from any tale, this young person will balk at such nonsense being presented at truth.

The god born of the fertile human imagination, can hardly be indoctrination in itself. It must be relayed to others as truth, and the person relaying that tripe, needs be believable, somewhat formidable, and needs to have a readily handy punishment available, for those who would deny the god.

Atheism is the default, it has nothing to do with the mind or any beliefs. If one is not theist, then that one is atheist(not theist). There is no other possibility. You are, or you aren't.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#127 May 8, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
<quoted text>As I replied to another, all this does is argue that atheism is not the default position, religion is.
It has been stated that atheism is default, religion requires indoctrination.
This is not true.
Religion sprouts up on it's own, that is to say, without indoctrination. In a society of no-god, god will emerge, no indoctrination required.
Religion is default, not atheism.
You want to argue the relative merits of atheism compared to religion, would be a different thread.
Red herrings not replied to by this poster.
If religion were the default, it wouldn't have to spring up, everyone would be born with a religion fully instilled in them. Imagine what a fricking nightmare that would be, Christain families giving birth to Hindu, Muslim and Pagan babies.

Everybody comes with a religion, no being indoctrinated is needed. LOL! That is not what you meant was it?

For you, a religion will just have to spring up. Well guess what, until it does, and gets instilled into a human, that human is atheist(not theist).

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#128 May 8, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
<quoted text>I was explaining Einstein's comment and viewpoint, not yours.
If a man worships the Devil, is he a Theist?
Is the Devil a Theist?
Some say 'Of course.", some say "Of course not."
I let that for others to decide.
Does the man know, that no god-myth would equal no devil-myth? If so, he is theist, or does he consider his devil, a god? If so he is theist.

Does the devil know, that with no god-myth he ceases to exist? Does the devil believe in himself, if so he is theist?

Simple really, the man is indoctrinated, the devil is myth, as is his creator god.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#129 May 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
"Atheist DOES NOT MEAN "not a theist".
Check the etymology of the word, you blathering moron.
Hope you know what "blathering moron" means. Or do I have to explain that to you?
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"Atheism: a + theos, denying god" (Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology).
"Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not" (Academic American Encyclopedia).
"Atheism, system of thought developed around the denial of God's existence. Atheism, so defined, first appeared during the Enlightenment, the age of reason" (Random House Encyclopedia).
"Atheism (from the Greek a-, not, and theos, god) is the view that there are no gods. A widely used sense denotes merely not believing in God and is consistent with agnosticism. A stricter sense denotes a belief that there is no God, the use has become the standard one" (Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy).
"Atheism is the doctrine that there is no God. Some atheists support this claim by arguments, but these arguments are usually directed against the Christian concept of God, and are largely irrelevant to other possible gods" (Oxford Companion to Philosophy).
"Atheism is disbelief in God" (Introduction to Philosophy, Perry and Bratman, Oxford University Press).
"Atheism from the Greek a (not) plus theos (god). The doctrine of disbelief in a supreme being" (Dictionary of Philosophy and Religion, William Reese, HumanitiesPress).
"Atheism (Greek, a-[private prefix]+ theos, god) is the view that there is no divine being, no God" (Dictionary of Philosophy, Thomas Mautner, Editor).
"Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist" (The World Book Encyclopedia).
"Atheism, Greek atheos-Disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of God" (Oxford English Dictionary)
"Atheism, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswerable, for the atheist, the non-existence of god is a certainty" (The New Encyclopedia Britannia).
"According to the most usual definition, an atheist is a person who maintains that there is no god…(rejects eccentric definitions of the word)" (The Encyclopedia of Philosophy).
"Atheism is the doctrine that God does not exist, that belief in the existence of God is a false belief. The word God here refers to a divine being regarded as the independent creator of the world, a being superlatively powerful, wise and good" (Encyclopedia of Religion).
"Atheism (Greek and Roman): Atheism is a dogmatic creed, consisting in the denial of every kind of supernatural power"(Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics-Vol II).
There is no god to deny. Atheism is the lack of a theistic "ism", as in .... there is no god to deny, so no need for an "ism"' with which to sale said god.

Atheist means not theist.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#130 May 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Religion is not equivalent to belief in a god, you idiot.
Someone with your shortcomings of comprehension should never converse in a public forum.
You just end up looking stupid - like right now.
Religion is superstition, whether you like it or not. The god myths cannot be spread without the accompanying myth-god sagas(religion).
No story, no god. Try and find the Jehovah-myth anywhere except in the Abrahamic religion's tales.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#132 May 8, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Religion is superstition, whether you like it or not. The god myths cannot be spread without the accompanying myth-god sagas(religion).
No story, no god. Try and find the Jehovah-myth anywhere except in the Abrahamic religion's tales.
That is so dumb and incoherent I cannot respond.

I've done a trainload of crack, heroin, alcohol, and other drugs.

Still, my mind cannot get down to that level.

If I ever get a railroad spike shot through my brain, or have my head forced inside a nuclear reactor, I might achieve your level, and get back to you to respond to this post.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#133 May 8, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>There is no god to deny. Atheism is the lack of a theistic "ism", as in .... there is no god to deny, so no need for an "ism"' with which to sale said god.
Atheist means not theist.
I have relatives whose parents are half-brother and sister who are more intelligent than you.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#134 May 8, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
So?
Religion is an INHERITED DISEASE OF THE MIND.
As language is taught? RELIGION INFECTS THE NEWLY EMERGING BRAIN.
Not that long ago? Everyone just KNEW the world was FLAT.
It is not-- in spite of BELIEF TO THE CONTRARY.
All the wishing(belief) in the world WILL NOT MAKE THE WORLD FLAT.
You see brains "EMERGING"?

Where?

And you put it in all caps.

What did these brains you see emerging emerge out of?

Your ass?

Have you seen someone about this?

Since: Jun 07

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#135 May 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
That is so dumb and incoherent I cannot respond.
I've done a trainload of crack, heroin, alcohol, and other drugs.
Still, my mind cannot get down to that level.
If I ever get a railroad spike shot through my brain, or have my head forced inside a nuclear reactor, I might achieve your level, and get back to you to respond to this post.
Dumb is believing that jesus rode on the backs of dinosaurs and that fossils aren't "really there".

After all, your beliefs are 100% dumb, Buck Crick.

Since: Jun 07

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#136 May 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I have relatives whose parents are half-brother and sister who are more intelligent than you.
In the face of facts, all you have is weak attacks.

If only you had some proof of god?

That way you wouldn't look like a complete asshat here time and time again.

Just focus on proving your god, then you can come back here and SHOW us we are wrong, instead of just TELLING us.

What a twit.

Since: Jun 07

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#137 May 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You see brains "EMERGING"?
Where?
And you put it in all caps.
What did these brains you see emerging emerge out of?
Your ass?
Have you seen someone about this?
You need to see someone about that voluntary chronic lying disease you suffer from called creationism.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#138 May 9, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
...Special usage of words commonly accepted to mean one thing, and then changed to a meaning accepted by a small minority merely to 'win a point', is not kosher.
It is a fallacious argument.
That is what has been attempted here.
Then I suggest superstitious contributors stop doing that. Stop trying to redefine equate belief with disbelief...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheism
and stop trying to tell people they classify as 'atheist' what 'atheists' think.

I think that the world would be better if people largely abandoned religious language for secular wording..
Religion = superstition
Theology = mythology
Credo = dogma
Blasphemy = satire
Christian name = first name
The Christian/Islamic/Jewish thing = the moral thing
kosher = correct

Most folk understand what I'm communicating there. In those examples, religionists try to hijack language itself to promote their ideas and protect essentially superstitious beliefs or religious dogma from being seen for what they are. I also think that equating belief in pixies and gods with disbelief in them is either ingnorant or disingenuous.

Religious and superstitious beliefs are not the same as holding a belief only as far as it can be justified by reason and evidence. There is no proof of gods or pixies.

Religionists also try to hijack values. I believe there are human values.'Christian' ones aren't noticably better or different than Islamic, Jewish or humanistic ones. Some religionists use religion to promote their ideology (Muq's Islamism) or their cause (e.g. prejudice against gays or atheists, or their abortion stance).

Since: Nov 08

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#139 May 9, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>If religion were the default, it wouldn't have to spring up, everyone would be born with a religion fully instilled in them. Imagine what a fricking nightmare that would be, Christain families giving birth to Hindu, Muslim and Pagan babies.
Everybody comes with a religion, no being indoctrinated is needed. LOL! That is not what you meant was it?
For you, a religion will just have to spring up. Well guess what, until it does, and gets instilled into a human, that human is atheist(not theist).
The poi9nt is,'What is an ath;eist?'

All of your dancing around is happy horsecrap.
'it wouldn't have to spring up.'
But it does spring up, that is the point.
Real or imaganary does not matter in the usage of the words.
The terem 'atheist' requires denial, in the classical, historical, Einst4inium sense, and only radicals thnink it includes aganostices,. or dogs.
I say religion is a natural condidtioon of he human mind, and have the world as my example.
You say Atheism is the naturl state of the human mind, and it must be corrupted..........somehow.
As your evidnce you say,'Well , all people are indoctriniated with religion, by tyrants, scoundrals and fools.'

So Thosmas Jefferson, Franklin, and other agreed that religion was full of many tyrants, scoundrals, and fools, but they still believed in a creator.

You and others seek to change the meaning of the term 'atheist', since that is not what has existed in recent centuries.
You tell us to forget about what Einstein and others meant, they and 90% of the world has it wrong, but you have it right.
Yes, it is ironic, how much that sounds like a religionsist posititon.

Since: Nov 08

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#140 May 9, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Then I suggest superstitious contributors stop doing that. Stop trying to redefine equate belief with disbelief...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheism
and stop trying to tell people they classify as 'atheist' what 'atheists' think.
I think that the world would be better if people largely abandoned religious language for secular wording..
Religion = superstition
Theology = mythology
Credo = dogma
Blasphemy = satire
Christian name = first name
The Christian/Islamic/Jewish thing = the moral thing
kosher = correct
Most folk understand what I'm communicating there. In those examples, religionists try to hijack language itself to promote their ideas and protect essentially superstitious beliefs or religious dogma from being seen for what they are. I also think that equating belief in pixies and gods with disbelief in them is either ingnorant or disingenuous.
Religious and superstitious beliefs are not the same as holding a belief only as far as it can be justified by reason and evidence. There is no proof of gods or pixies.
Religionists also try to hijack values. I believe there are human values.'Christian' ones aren't noticably better or different than Islamic, Jewish or humanistic ones. Some religionists use religion to promote their ideology (Muq's Islamism) or their cause (e.g. prejudice against gays or atheists, or their abortion stance).
Religionist ramblings if I ever read them.
"I am right, don't listen to the 90%, listen to me!"
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#141 May 9, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
<quoted text>Religionist ramblings if I ever read them.
"I am right, don't listen to the 90%, listen to me!"
I'm not disputing that some statistics exist that indicate atheism is a minority veiw, but I don't think 90% of people of agree with you and not me.

I am simply pointing out that your views are simplistic and misleading...
From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_...
"A majority (53%) of Canadians believe in God. What is of particular interest is that 28% of Protestants, 33% of Catholics, and 23% of those who attend weekly religious services do not."

and that there are many stats that contradict your views. Also, I know few people who seriously believe in a specifically Abrahamic god who sent his son Jesus to us via a virgin birth. Even practicing Christians aren't usually that superstitious, let alone the majority. So the question arises "which god?" Many Christians I know simply don't know or care if there's a god - much like the non-religious people I know.

Classify us as atheist or theist as you like. We're all a-pixie-ists too, but nobody cares. The point is that religion, atheism and religious faith are all irrational.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#142 May 9, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
<quoted text>The poi9nt is,'What is an ath;eist?'
All of your dancing around is happy horsecrap.
'it wouldn't have to spring up.'
But it does spring up, that is the point.
Real or imaganary does not matter in the usage of the words.
The terem 'atheist' requires denial, in the classical, historical, Einst4inium sense, and only radicals thnink it includes aganostices,. or dogs.
I say religion is a natural condidtioon of he human mind, and have the world as my example.
You say Atheism is the naturl state of the human mind, and it must be corrupted..........somehow.
As your evidnce you say,'Well , all people are indoctriniated with religion, by tyrants, scoundrals and fools.'
So Thosmas Jefferson, Franklin, and other agreed that religion was full of many tyrants, scoundrals, and fools, but they still believed in a creator.
You and others seek to change the meaning of the term 'atheist', since that is not what has existed in recent centuries.
You tell us to forget about what Einstein and others meant, they and 90% of the world has it wrong, but you have it right.
Yes, it is ironic, how much that sounds like a religionsist posititon.
Sounds like religionist ramblings to me :-)
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#143 May 9, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>.. The point is that religion, atheism and religious faith are all irrational.
Let me clarify this before you jump on it. I mean atheism only exists because of religious beliefs in gods. We are all a-pixie-ists too. The point is that religious faith isn't rational.

Since: Nov 08

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#144 May 9, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Let me clarify this before you jump on it. I mean atheism only exists because of religious beliefs in gods. We are all a-pixie-ists too. The point is that religious faith isn't rational.
You finally figured out religious faith isn't rational.

Next you'll be telling me water is wet.

Intutition isn't rathional either.

”Man, surrounded by facts, permitting himself no surprise, no intuitive flash, no great hypothesis, no risk, is in a locked cell. Ignorance cannot seal the mind and imagination more securely.”
Albert Einstein

"The people in the Indian countryside don't use their intellect like we do, they use their intuition instead, and their intuition is far more developed than in the rest of the world. Intuition is a very powerful thing, more powerful than intellect, in my opinion. That's had a big impact on my work," Jobs later recalled to Walter Issacson, the biographer.

Jobs goes on to say that Western rational thought is not an innate human characteristic but is learned. "In the villages of India, they never learned it. They learned something else, which is in some ways just as valuable but in other ways is not. That is the power of intuition and experiential wisdom,"' he said.

Jobs says his seven months stay in Indian villages made him "see the craziness" of the Western world as well as its capacity for rational thought. "If you just sit and observe, you will see how restless your mind is. if you try to calm it, it will only make it worse. but over time it does calm, and when it does, there's room to hear more subtle things - that's when your intuition starts to blossom,'" he says.~~Steve Jobs

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Proving theorems is not mechanical; proving theorems does require formal manipulation. Yet proving theorems also requires the use of intuition, the ability to see what is reasonable or not, and the ability to put all these together. Blindly using a lemma from even the most famous textbook can be dangerous, as the story shows.

I once lost several months of hard work trying to use a published theorem to solve an open problem. I almost had a proof, but eventually like the story I found a bug in the published result—the result was the sole result of a friend’s Ph.D. thesis. Oh well. This is not an urban legend, I was there, but I will discuss it another time.

For now let’s turn to the discussion of intuition in mathematics.
http://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/math...

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There is more to the work of knowledge than the rational.
Oh, for got, you are a fanatic.
nevermind.

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