Is My Dog an Atheist?

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#62 May 2, 2013
Atheism isn't a belief - as much a creationists try and fail to lie about it this way...

Atheism - frustrating the f*ck out of dishonest theists since the dawn of time itself.

Atheism seems to make apologist liars out of theists too...that's the real power of atheism.
bobdude

Pittsburgh, PA

#63 May 3, 2013
youtube.com/watch... ………
Seeing is believing,,,yes your dog is

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#64 May 3, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Atheism - lack of belief in god.
STILL trying in vain to change the definition of atheism according to your cult's ways LMAO.
You guys seriously are mentally ill.
Atheists converted by buck = STILL ZERO.
You'rve got it backwards mate.

The conventional, and historic understanding of the meaning of the term 'atheist', is just as Einstein meant it when he said "I'm not an atheist."
it is a belief in no god.
That is what Einstein meant, in the context of my reference ( http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ) and other pronouncements from him, on his beliefs.

It is those like you who seek to change the conventioanl meaning.

Atheists as a group and as individuals certainly have the right to put whatever meaning they want to terms in thier own discussions.
The expectaion that the majority of the world would agree, is a little, irrational.
This is especially true when they want to claim agnostics as part of their group, when the majority of agnostics do not consider themselves as atheists.

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#65 May 3, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
Atheism isn't a belief - as much a creationists try and fail to lie about it this way...
Atheism - frustrating the f*ck out of dishonest theists since the dawn of time itself.
Atheism seems to make apologist liars out of theists too...that's the real power of atheism.
Atheism is a belief, no less than theism.

"Atheos", greek; "no god".

The modern attempt to redefine the term is self-serving, as an attempt to establish atheism as the default position, or the "rational" position.

It doesn't work.

Stick to your faith.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#66 May 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Atheism is a belief, no less than theism.....
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
I think it's both stupid and ignorant to argue that belief in god(s), Santa Claus or pixies is as valid and reasonable as disbelief.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell 's_teapot

Religion = superstition

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#67 May 3, 2013
EdSed wrote:
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
I think it's both stupid and ignorant to argue that belief in god(s), Santa Claus or pixies is as valid and reasonable as disbelief.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell 's_teapot
Religion = superstition
Russell's teapot is a logical fallacy.

"‘Atheism’ means the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God."
-Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

"Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. It proposes positive belief rather than mere suspension of disbelief."
-Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy

"Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open the question of whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswered or unanswerable; for the atheist, the nonexistence of God is a certainty."
-Encyclopedia Britannica

"In fact, atheism is an active belief that God doesn’t exist."
-Jonathan Safarti, PhD
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#68 May 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Russell's teapot is a logical fallacy.
"‘Atheism’ means the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God."
-Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
"Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. It proposes positive belief rather than mere suspension of disbelief."
-Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy
"Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open the question of whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswered or unanswerable; for the atheist, the nonexistence of God is a certainty."
-Encyclopedia Britannica
"In fact, atheism is an active belief that God doesn’t exist."
-Jonathan Safarti, PhD
As a non-believer, I don't care if I'm clasified as an atheist or agnostic. Those only determine one's level of superstition.

Whatever anyone says about Russell's Teapot (and I'm as unimpressed with your comments and sources as you apparently are with mine), it is still obviously necessary for one to define and prove a god for someone else to believe one exists.

Clearly, Abrahamic god(s) and these...
http://www.godchecker.com/
are man-made superstitions.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#69 May 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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..."In fact, atheism is an active belief that God doesn’t exist."
-Jonathan Safarti, PhD
Not as far as normal usage is concerned...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
Presumably, so-called atheists and agnostics alike would be happy to accept reasonable evidence of a god(s). Those terms only matter in theological discussions.

Theology to a believer is a mythology to a non-believer.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#70 May 3, 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Sarfati
is a young Earth creationist

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#71 May 3, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>As a non-believer, I don't care if I'm clasified as an atheist or agnostic. Those only determine one's level of superstition.
Whatever anyone says about Russell's Teapot (and I'm as unimpressed with your comments and sources as you apparently are with mine), it is still obviously necessary for one to define and prove a god for someone else to believe one exists.
Clearly, Abrahamic god(s) and these...
http://www.godchecker.com/
are man-made superstitions.
No, it is NOT necessary to prove a god for someone else to believe one exists, just as it is not necessary to disprove a god for you to believe it doesn't exist.

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#72 May 3, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Not as far as normal usage is concerned...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
Presumably, so-called atheists and agnostics alike would be happy to accept reasonable evidence of a god(s). Those terms only matter in theological discussions.
Theology to a believer is a mythology to a non-believer.
No, "theology" is theology, no matter to whom.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#73 May 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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No, "theology" is theology, no matter to whom.
Do you consider Roman and Greek god(s) to be mythical?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_mythology

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/myth
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/theology

Purely linguistically speaking you might have a point (but note that the dictionary notes a plural: theologies.) That rather ignores the context of the discussion here on Topix and normal usage. It also sounds like you're being dogmatic regarding "The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions" and insisting that is different in some way (some way important to non-believers) to "..traditional, typically ancient story dealing with supernatural beings, ancestors, or heroes that serves as a fundamental type in the worldview of a people, as by explaining aspects of the natural world or delineating the psychology, customs, or ideals of society: the myth of Eros and Psyche; a creation myth."

I argue that for our purposes and in the modern world theologies are just mythologies which many people still try to take seriously. Or to put it succinctly: Theology = mythology.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#74 May 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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No, it is NOT necessary to prove a god for someone else to believe one exists, just as it is not necessary to disprove a god for you to believe it doesn't exist.
One could say that about pixies and Santa Claus. I wasn't questioning people's right to believe but the value and benefit of doing so.

One should only believe anything as far as the belief can be justified by reason and evidence.

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#75 May 3, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>One could say that about pixies and Santa Claus. I wasn't questioning people's right to believe but the value and benefit of doing so.
One should only believe anything as far as the belief can be justified by reason and evidence.
Given that practice, there would be no atheists.

"Reason and evidence" cannot get you to the conclusion. The additional step to believing gods do not exist requires belief.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#76 May 3, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Atheism - lack of belief in god.
STILL trying in vain to change the definition of atheism according to your cult's ways LMAO.
You guys seriously are mentally ill.
Atheists converted by buck = STILL ZERO.
Lack means very little, so you atheists do have some belief in God, good to know.

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#77 May 3, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
<quoted text>You'rve got it backwards mate.
The conventional, and historic understanding of the meaning of the term 'atheist', is just as Einstein meant it when he said "I'm not an atheist."
it is a belief in no god.
That is what Einstein meant, in the context of my reference ( http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ) and other pronouncements from him, on his beliefs.
It is those like you who seek to change the conventioanl meaning.
Atheists as a group and as individuals certainly have the right to put whatever meaning they want to terms in thier own discussions.
The expectaion that the majority of the world would agree, is a little, irrational.
This is especially true when they want to claim agnostics as part of their group, when the majority of agnostics do not consider themselves as atheists.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

Albert Einstein 1954, 24th March.

Another creationist lie shot the f*ck down for all to see.

Tell again how you stupid people with your stupid lies are supposed to be more moral than us atheists again?

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#78 May 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Atheism is a belief, no less than theism.
"Atheos", greek; "no god".
The modern attempt to redefine the term is self-serving, as an attempt to establish atheism as the default position, or the "rational" position.
It doesn't work.
Stick to your faith.
Atheism is a lack of belief in god.

If you cannot accept the definition of atheism, then this is your mental illness talking from now on.

Atheism is a belief like bald is a hair color - it isn't.

Can't forget that you believe that jesus rode on the backs of dinosaurs and that fossils aren't "real".

That is the stupidity from which you are trying to redefine atheism - why hide it? are you embarrassed about your very own beliefs? Evidently.

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#79 May 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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No, it is NOT necessary to prove a god for someone else to believe one exists, just as it is not necessary to disprove a god for you to believe it doesn't exist.
You need to prove that "god is possible" before you sell us your silly, infantile and illogical story.

until you've done that (and studied evolution) you are permanently full of sh*t and not to be trusted.

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#80 May 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Given that practice, there would be no atheists.
"Reason and evidence" cannot get you to the conclusion.
It can, does and has.

Making sh*t up and trying to redefine the established world according to your creationist hallucination is what gets you nowhere.

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#81 May 4, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
Albert Einstein 1954, 24th March.
Another creationist lie shot the f*ck down for all to see.
Tell again how you stupid people with your stupid lies are supposed to be more moral than us atheists again?
Where do we start with the fallacies?

How about begging the question.
I have already stated that Einstein did not believe in a personal god ( http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... )
So like a parrot you repeat what I say, as if that makes you correct.

Great attempt to ignore my point, and the point of Einstein.

Einstein said he was not an atheist.
You do not disagree, only avoid the issue by bringing up old issues already clarified, by myself.
You are begging the question, and think this is some marvel of logic to prove your point.

Rational thought is clearly not one of your strong points.

You and others argue that ignorance is sufficient to make a being an atheist.
I do not see the need to refute that.
I will agree on that point.

Agnostics on the other hand, know they do not know, so are not ignorant.
Admission of a lack of knowledge is not ignorance.
It is awareness.

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