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#22 Apr 20, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
My dog, Mongo, has no belief concerning gods.
He eats his own shit, and chases cars.
Is Mongo an atheist?
Does that explain why he eats his own shit?
I really need advice on this.
He eat's his own sh*t because he's your dog. Don't blame atheists for your mistakes.

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#23 Apr 29, 2013
An atheist has a belief in no god.

A dog has no such belief, we can presume, so a dog would not be an atheist.

A being who has no belief for or against a god, is simply uninformed, lacking knowledge, an agnostic.

If doge are capable or realizine they lack knowledge of god, they would be agnostic.

Since they probaly lack the knowledge of no knowledge, well, no atheist, no agnostic, no theist.
A being does not "have to be" one of these.

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#24 Apr 29, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
An atheist has a belief in no god.
A dog has no such belief, we can presume, so a dog would not be an atheist.
A being who has no belief for or against a god, is simply uninformed, lacking knowledge, an agnostic.
If doge are capable or realizine they lack knowledge of god, they would be agnostic.
Since they probaly lack the knowledge of no knowledge, well, no atheist, no agnostic, no theist.
A being does not "have to be" one of these.
The word atheist means "not theist", nothing more. There is no sumation towards either end of the spectrum, involved in actually being an atheist.
The person you have described is a avowed non-beleiver, as far as any god might be concerned.
Lincoln

United States

#25 Apr 29, 2013
To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection.

Henri Poincaire "Of Science and Hypotheses""
Thinking

London, UK

#26 Apr 29, 2013
Most Atheists believe there is no evidence for any god or gods.
Very few Atheists believe there is no god.
BeHereNow wrote:
An atheist has a belief in no god.
A dog has no such belief, we can presume, so a dog would not be an atheist.
A being who has no belief for or against a god, is simply uninformed, lacking knowledge, an agnostic.
If doge are capable or realizine they lack knowledge of god, they would be agnostic.
Since they probaly lack the knowledge of no knowledge, well, no atheist, no agnostic, no theist.
A being does not "have to be" one of these.
Lincoln

United States

#27 Apr 29, 2013
The term "Most Atheists" is a hopeless generalization?
Thinking

London, UK

#28 Apr 29, 2013
On the grounds that very few Atheists, Dawkins included, believe there is not even the theoretical possibility of some sort of half arsed sad act god, no.

Why can't (or won't) you do logic?
Lincoln wrote:
The term "Most Atheists" is a hopeless generalization?
Lincoln

United States

#29 Apr 29, 2013
Thinking wrote:
On the grounds that very few Atheists, Dawkins included, believe there is not even the theoretical possibility of some sort of half arsed sad act god, no.
Why can't (or won't) you do logic?
<quoted text>
No way to prove God exists or does not exist.
Greeks discussed both sides of this.
Dr. Dawkins is out to make money on books,the Billy Graham syndrome.

Dr. Dawkins is entertaining,
prefer Steven Wright

"The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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#30 Apr 30, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
No way to prove God exists or does not exist.
Greeks discussed both sides of this.
Dr. Dawkins is out to make money on books,the Billy Graham syndrome.
Dr. Dawkins is entertaining,
prefer Steven Wright
"The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese."
Both the theist and the atheist are fixated on God.

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#31 Apr 30, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Both the theist and the atheist are fixated on God.
The creationist is focussed on being a lying cult mongering f*ck.

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#32 Apr 30, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
No way to prove God exists
Then, sh*t the f*ck up about it you lying theist troll.

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#33 Apr 30, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
An atheist has a belief in no god.
A dog has no such belief, we can presume, so a dog would not be an atheist.
A being who has no belief for or against a god, is simply uninformed, lacking knowledge, an agnostic.
If doge are capable or realizine they lack knowledge of god, they would be agnostic.
Since they probaly lack the knowledge of no knowledge, well, no atheist, no agnostic, no theist.
A being does not "have to be" one of these.
Atheism is a lack of belief in god.

Everything that can think, and doesn't have the mental illness of faith is an atheist. Also, reality is very much atheist as well.

Its a fact that most of the world had difficulty accepting because basically they are bitter, intellectually dishonest people.

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#34 May 1, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>The word atheist means "not theist", nothing more. There is no sumation towards either end of the spectrum, involved in actually being an atheist.
The person you have described is a avowed non-beleiver, as far as any god might be concerned.
I'll let you in on a secret.
Words mean what people determine they mean.
They have no meaning in their own right, only what is ascribed to them.

'Agnostic" means without knowledge.

The prefix 'a' means without, lacking, or not.
At least that is what normal people say.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_prefi...

You want to dumb down the English language.

Albert Einstein said he was no Atheist (Time magazine, 1950).

"Do you believe in God? "I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws."Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9...

if we accept you meaning, that meand he believed ia a god, and he never claimed that.

Agnostic is a work, it has a meaning, it does not mean the same as atheist.

An Atheist has a firm belief in no god.
It is a simple concept.
You shouldn't have to be an Einstein to understand that.

Many people in many areas of thought are trying to dumb down language. I see not advantage to that.

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#35 May 1, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism is a lack of belief in god.
Everything that can think, and doesn't have the mental illness of faith is an atheist. Also, reality is very much atheist as well.
Its a fact that most of the world had difficulty accepting because basically they are bitter, intellectually dishonest people.
Yes, in the end we all get to define words the way we want.

It is convenient when we agree, but that is seldom the case.

When Einstein said he was no Atheist (see above), it seems you think he meant that he believes in god. I disagree.
I think he was an agnostic.
Perhaps you think Einstein was bitter and intellectually dishonest, I do not.

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#36 May 1, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Most Atheists believe there is no evidence for any god or gods.
Very few Atheists believe there is no god.
<quoted text>
Any reference available?
From my experience, limited of course, most atheist say there is no reasonable possibility of a god, only unreasonable possibilities.
Hence the birth of IPU.
It seems, to me, that most atheists believe there is no reasonable possibility of invisible pink unicorns, and place god in the same position.
Have I missed something?

Is is common knowledge that the scientific community says there is no proof for anything, which would include the existendce or not, of god.
So a scientist may have a firm belief in, the existence of apples, for example, but readily admit that perhaps no apples exist.
It seem to me it is this way with most Atheists and god.
The have a firm belief in no god, but will admit that 'Anything is possible'(and nothing is impossible).
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#37 May 1, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
<quoted text>...An Atheist has a firm belief in no god.
It is a simple concept.
You shouldn't have to be an Einstein to understand that....
Whatever.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist

Atheist and agnostic are what believers call non-believers. Non-believers needn't care. Dictionaries clarify what such descriptions are normally taken to mean.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/agnostic

Essentially, religion is superstition based and theology is just myhthology with a large current following.

Yes, it's all very simple.

Pick-a-god..
http://www.godchecker.com/
but it makes no sense to believe in god(s), ghosts or pixies. Religion is divisive and outdated rubbish.
JMHO

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#38 May 1, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Whatever.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
Atheist and agnostic are what believers call non-believers. Non-believers needn't care. Dictionaries clarify what such descriptions are normally taken to mean.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/agnostic
Essentially, religion is superstition based and theology is just myhthology with a large current following.
Yes, it's all very simple.
Pick-a-god..
http://www.godchecker.com/
but it makes no sense to believe in god(s), ghosts or pixies. Religion is divisive and outdated rubbish.
JMHO
Dictionaries have two useful puposes.

First and foremost, they make excellent doorstops.

They are also handy for determining the meaning of words that the user does not understand even one bit, and they can be helpful to see how to spell a word.

For serious discussions, to settle disputes, they are just about usleless.

I personally reject the supernatural, accept a Deistic God that is not separated from the natural, therefore not supernatural.
That really has nothing to do with the meaning of words.

Whether or not ghosts or pixies exist, likewise has very little to do with the meaning of words.

In common usage the combination of the prefix 'a-', with the word atheism, means a belief in a world without god.
No reasonable doubt.
Only unreasonable doubt.
Those who do not understand this may benefit from the use of dictionaries. If they pick a particular dictionary, they may even show their point is valid. Choose another dictionary, and another point is shown to be valid.
And nothing is settled.

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#39 May 1, 2013
well edSed,

I see your reference agrees with me, and I assume hyou do as well.

a•the•ist (&#712;e&#618; &#952;i &#618;st)

n.
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being.
And
atheist, agnostic, infidel refer to persons lacking religious belief or a particular religious faith. An atheist denies the existence of a deity or of divine beings. An agnostic believes it is impossible to know whether there is a God without sufficient evidence. An infidel is an unbeliever, esp. one who does not accept Christianity or Islam; the word is usu. pejorative.


Denial is required, not simply 'no opinion'.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#40 May 1, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
well edSed,
I see your reference agrees with me, and I assume hyou do as well.
a•the•ist (&#712;e&#618; &#952;i &#618;st)
n.
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being.
And
atheist, agnostic, infidel refer to persons lacking religious belief or a particular religious faith. An atheist denies the existence of a deity or of divine beings. An agnostic believes it is impossible to know whether there is a God without sufficient evidence. An infidel is an unbeliever, esp. one who does not accept Christianity or Islam; the word is usu. pejorative.
Denial is required, not simply 'no opinion'.
Whatever.
The difference between us might be that I'm indifferent to all the 'sky-fairies' and I don't do god-bothering.

Bad-language aside, I think Jonny Eve's song sums it up quite well..
http://www.atheismuk.com/2012/03/31/atheism/y...

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#41 May 1, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Whatever.
The difference between us might be that I'm indifferent to all the 'sky-fairies' and I don't do god-bothering.
Bad-language aside, I think Jonny Eve's song sums it up quite well..
http://www.atheismuk.com/2012/03/31/atheism/y...
No, the difference betwen us is I think the meaning of words has value, and you do not.

No divine revelation, on that we agree.

A special transmission outside the scriptures;
No dependence upon words and letters;
Direct pointing at the soul of man:
Seeing into one's nature and the attainment of Buddhahood

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