There are No Darwinists:

There are No Darwinists:

There are 8 comments on the BrothersJudd Blog story from Apr 19, 2014, titled There are No Darwinists:. In it, BrothersJudd Blog reports that:

Like any movement or religion, atheism has ambitions. Over the years it has grown and developed until it has become about far more than just not believing in God: today atheism aspires to a moral system too.

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Indogitrust

United States

#1 Apr 21, 2014
Typical religionist bullshit saying there is no way to be moral without input from gawd. Employs the "gawd of the gaps" argument saying that it can't be proven that morals develop naturally, therefore gawd did it.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#2 Apr 29, 2014
Religitard straw man bullshit.

Non belief is not a religion.

What do they mean by "darwinist"? I see there is overwhelming evidence for Evolution but if Darwin (and Wallace?) hadn't worked it out, others would have.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#3 Apr 29, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Religitard straw man bullshit.
Non belief is not a religion.
What do they mean by "darwinist"? I see there is overwhelming evidence for Evolution but if Darwin (and Wallace?) hadn't worked it out, others would have.
That's exactly the point. By referring to evolution as "Darwinism", they emphasize the idea that evolution was the idea of a man, in contrast to their big book of fables, supposedly at least indirectly authored by an omnipotent invisible man in the sky. Being the idea of a fallible human being, in their minds reduces the credibility of the idea, no matter how many subsequent examinations or experiments confirm the idea. If you call it the Theory of Evolution, on the other hand, it becomes part of science, like the Theory of Gravity, the Theory of Relativity, etc. As part of the body of accepted scientific knowledge, Evolution is more credible. And they hate that.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#4 Apr 29, 2014
The premise that atheism is, or pretends to be, a moral system is just plain wrong. Atheists do reject the idea of a morals-giving god. That does not mean that atheism itself provides an alternate system of morals. It merely means that one must look elsewhere besides gods for a system of morality.

It is difficult. After all, without a god to dictate what is moral, atheists cannot find another basis for stoning stubborn, rebellious children to death. It is very hard to come up with non- god-based reasons why we should kill those working on the sabbath, as well. Without a god to tell us it is moral, most of us have a difficult time with killing women who are not virgins when they wed. And absent the god housekeeping seal of approval, most of us would find slavery to be a bad thing. Only through the bible god's enthusiastic endorsement of the practice can we find the morality in owning other humans.

Evolution does suggest that there is some survival value in much of what we accept as morality.(Evolution =/= atheism. There are theists who accept evolution.) Humans evolved as social creatures. Our survival depended on the ability to fashion tools and our ability to work cooperatively in tribal groups. Individual humans were no match for bears, wolves, lions etc., but hunting in groups, humans were collectively more formidable.

Necessarily, behavior which supported the cohesiveness of the group was favored, while behavior that was divisive was disfavored. Hence, killing other members of the group, sexual infidelity, theft, selfishness and deception were disfavored by the group, while cooperation, sharing and fidelity were favored. This is why almost all moral codes, regardless of their sources, are fairly similar in their content.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#6 Apr 29, 2014
Thinking wrote:
They've only got their goddam "I am the only way" commie nonsense whereas countless scientists could have contributed to the Theories below and continue to peer review them today.
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True, and referring to evolution as "Darwinism" is a way of denying the existence of those countless scientists. They are trying to make it look like there's only that one guy who posits evolution, because it is far easier to gainsay one guy's theory than a theory held by countless scientists.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#8 Apr 30, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Their behaviour is pointless. Newton, a christian, had many character flaws, but pointing out those flaws will change his laws of motion not one jot because they have been rigorously peer reviewed.
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It is pointless in terms of actually disproving evolution. That is not the goal, however. The goal is simply to provide talking points and reinforcement to those who already disbelieve evolution. All propaganda is aimed, not at convincing those who are outside the group, but at bolstering the belief of those in the group.

In America right now, truth is not decided in the popular mind based on objective evidence. If enough people believe something, the thinking goes, it must be true - without reference to whether there is scientific evidence to support it. If the believers are fervent enough in their belief to state their belief vehemently, that vehemence in and of itself is taken as proof that it must be true.

Part of this comes from the mistaken journalistic premise that there must be at least two sides to every story. In a quest to present the news in a 'balanced' way, scientific facts are 'balanced' by finding any crackpot espousing a contrary view, no matter how nonsensical. The two views are then presented as if they were necessarily equally valid points of view. That's why anti-vaxers, birthers, climate change deniers and creationists still get face time for their nonsense, and why the people interviewing them look all serious, instead of pointing and laughing.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

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#10 May 1, 2014
Amused wrote:
<quoted text> That's why anti-vaxers, birthers, climate change deniers and creationists still get face time for their nonsense, and why the people interviewing them look all serious, instead of pointing and laughing.
"Pointing and laughing" should be every bit as acceptable when applied to someone espousing a ridiculous religious belief as it would be for someone bending over to pick up a paper and shredding the seat of their pants in the process.

If people don't want to be ridiculed for their beliefs, they should keep them to themselves. If one should decided to publically air those beliefs... well, don't get upset when you're laughed at.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#12 May 1, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Agreed. No one should have the right not to be offended.
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It's one thing for someone to say something 'stupid' because of their lack of knowledge or because they were given erroneous information. Do those people deserve ridicule? No... not really, although it can be understandable if it happens. But if that same person is corrected, then continues to say the same stupid things because NOT doing so somehow offends their 'religious beliefs', well, I say "point and laugh away!" because willful ignorance SHOULD be mocked whenever it publically rears it's moronic head.

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