Pakistan woman stoned by family outsi...

Pakistan woman stoned by family outside Lahore court

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“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#1 May 27, 2014
A Pakistani woman has been killed by her relatives outside Lahore High Court for marrying against their wishes.

Police said 30-year old Farzana Bibi died on the spot after being attacked with bricks and sticks.

Her father handed himself in, but police say her brothers and former fiancee, who also took part in the attack, were still free.

Correspondents say hundreds of girls and women in Pakistan are killed every year by family members.

However, many more killings are believed to go unreported.

Farzana Bibi's parents accused her husband, Muhammad Iqbal, of kidnapping her, and had filed a case against him at the High Court.

However, she testified to police that she had married him of her own accord. Police said the couple had been engaged for a number of years.

As she arrived at the court building for a hearing, police said about a dozen family members pulled her aside and began to attack her and her husband, who managed to escape.

Police official Umer Cheema told Reuters that all the family members escaped after the killing, apart from her father, who has admitted his role in her death.

The BBC's Shumaila Jaffery says marriage against the wishes of relatives is culturally unacceptable in some parts of Pakistan.

Under Pakistani law, the victim's family is allowed to forgive the killer. However, in many cases family members are themselves responsible for the killing.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#2 May 27, 2014
As a crowd watched outside a courthouse, the family of a pregnant Pakistani woman beat her to death Tuesday because she married the man she loved instead of her cousin.

The 25-year-old woman's father, brother and spurned fiance were among about a dozen male relatives who used bricks and clubs in the so-called honor killing of Farzana Parveen for disobeying her family's wishes. She suffered massive head injuries and was pronounced dead at a hospital.

Lahore police charged her father, Mohammad Azeem, with murder, and the others were being sought. Azeem told police he helped kill his daughter because she had shamed the family.

"I killed my daughter as she had insulted all of our family by marrying a man without our consent, and I have no regret over it," police investigator Rana Mujahid quoted him as saying.

Parveen was attacked as she and her husband, Mohammad Iqbal, arrived at the gates of the Lahore High Court. They went there to dispute charges brought by her father that Iqbal had kidnapped Parveen, who had been engaged to her cousin for several years.

Iqbal, 45, was a widower with five children when he began seeing Parveen, he told the Associated Press.

"We were in love," he said.

Iqbal alleged her family wanted to extort money from him before following through with the arranged marriage to her cousin.

Every year, hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Pakistani women are killed by their families for actual or imagined adultery or premarital sex. Public stoning is rare, however.

Last month, the private Human Rights Commission of Pakistan reported that 869 women were victims of honor killings in 2013.

Another Pakistani rights group, the Aurat Foundation, estimates that about 1,000 Pakistani women are killed each year by their families. Reuters writes that the "true figure is probably many times higher" because the census is based only on newspaper accounts of honor killings.

The government does not compile such statistics or track the outcome of prosecutions. Convicted killers are sometimes released, because the law allows a family to forgive the killer.

A News Pakistan writer said an honor killing "is most probably the easiest way of killing woman and avoid the capital punishment at the same time."

The Koran, the Muslim holy book, does not approve of honor killings or other extrajudicial murder, the website Questions About Islam says.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

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I'm An Illegal Alien

#3 May 27, 2014
There is absolutely no justification in Islam for "honour killing" of women or men. Those who commit these crimes can expect hellfire as their punishment, in addition to the wrath and anger of God, as the previous verse from the holy Quran describes. These types of killings are quite simply murder crimes, and should be prosecuted as such...
There is no historical background in Islam for "honour killing". No verse in the holy Quran and no saying of Prophet Mohammad sanctions such crimes....
Islam does prescribe strict and sometimes even severe punishments for certain crimes, such as adultery and robbery. However, Islam places a great burder of proof on the accuser to prove their accusations....
Islam has prescribed these punishments as a deterrent, and as a way to demonstrate to people how ugly these crimes are and how hated they are in the sight of God....
Therefore, although Islam does prescribe 100 lashes for fornication (sexual relations between unmarried people), and death by stoning for adultery (married people who have sexual relations outside of marriage), these punishments are not really meant to be performed as much as they are meant to make these crimes hated in the eyes of the society in order to minimize their occurrence....
Last June, a mother and her two daughters in northern Pakistan were shot dead by a male relative who believed they had shamed the family because a video showed the young women laughing outside their home.
Peaceful Islam

Anderson, IN

#4 Jun 23, 2014
Hear ye, hear ye! Come one, come all... or else. Join the world's fastest growing religion... or else. Embrace our culture... or else. Don't dare to criticize us... or else. Let us enter into all levels of your government... or else. Don't be suspicious of us... or else.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#5 Jun 23, 2014
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-279797...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Igwe

People might wish to help this guy...
http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/mohamme...

Religion = superstition
It's divisive and outdated.
Thinking

Beaminster, UK

#6 Jun 23, 2014

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#7 Jun 23, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Do I have to be nice here?

I wonder if 2nd. wife knew that 1st. wife's death was brought about so that she might have that bed? Wouldn't that be a case of reaping what one has sown? The entire mess is disgraceful but for a son to accept money for his mother's murderer to go free is reprehensible. And for the man who two women now have died because of, to be free to find victim # 3 purely sickening.

I am so never shutting my mouth while some girl from my tribe marries into that crapfest. But then I've never been the type to accept in silence that which is unacceptable.
Thinking

Beaminster, UK

#8 Jun 23, 2014
There's a generic problem in islam putting a low value on female life.
The particular problem with Pakistan is that they're constantly trying to undercut the lowest value placed on a women's life.

A family that genitally mutilates girls, throws acid in their faces or kills them if they are raped can stay living in a cave.

Pakistan is a failed state because it accepts the above behaviour.
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Do I have to be nice here?
I wonder if 2nd. wife knew that 1st. wife's death was brought about so that she might have that bed? Wouldn't that be a case of reaping what one has sown? The entire mess is disgraceful but for a son to accept money for his mother's murderer to go free is reprehensible. And for the man who two women now have died because of, to be free to find victim # 3 purely sickening.
I am so never shutting my mouth while some girl from my tribe marries into that crapfest. But then I've never been the type to accept in silence that which is unacceptable.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

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Earth,TX

#9 Jun 24, 2014
Thinking wrote:
There's a generic problem in islam putting a low value on female life.
The particular problem with Pakistan is that they're constantly trying to undercut the lowest value placed on a women's life.
A family that genitally mutilates girls, throws acid in their faces or kills them if they are raped can stay living in a cave.
Pakistan is a failed state because it accepts the above behaviour.
<quoted text>
Agreed, and if Christains had the balls to live by their buybull, they too would devalue the female to a degree seen only in places like Pakistan.
Thinking

Beaminster, UK

#10 Jun 24, 2014
I see it the other way. Most christians are cafeteria christians, picking and choosing.
They ignore most of the really bad instructions in their bible and I am glad that they have the balls to do so.

If as many muslims ignored much of their koran we would have far less issues.
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Agreed, and if Christains had the balls to live by their buybull, they too would devalue the female to a degree seen only in places like Pakistan.

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