Interested Party

Monett, MO

#21 Oct 8, 2009
FYI, I'm in SW MO, not sure why it placed me in Canada, for what it's worth.
Calvin Klein wrote:
"perjure the name of a Shepherd"?
Someone is taking themselves a little seriously today. I also find it quite amusing that someone posting from Canada would tell another to, "Grow up & use real words!" That is some thick irony, Eh.
I say if the shoe fits, perjure that Shepard.
However, this is a topix forum not a legal proceeding. So unless the context of the word has changed, no one is perjuring themselves here.
All this hostility is misguided. Tommy means well. He is but a small fish, swimmingly obediently in the wake of the big boys he answers to. He doesn't want to disturb the delicate balance of money in/ guilt out. To pick on him is a waste of time and effort, until the shroud of secrecy is yanked back and people see that these "leaders", have and will lie to protect what they value most: their ego's, and their wallets.
Calvins Cheesteaks

Springfield, MO

#22 Oct 8, 2009
Ohio, huh? I would have let people think I was from Canada.

Now sit back and read:

"–verb (used with object),-jured,-jur⋅ ing.
to render (oneself) guilty of swearing falsely or of willfully making a false statement under oath or solemn affirmation: The witness perjured herself when she denied knowing the defendant."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/perjur...

Most people (even us High School graduates) refer to what your suggesting, as a "Lie" or "Lying" instead or perjury. But you church boys always have had a flare for the dramatics. In my high school we also use the word "baseless" as opposed to basis less. But mostly just to sound like we weren't from Ohio.

Poor Tommy.
John Calvin

West Palm Beach, FL

#23 Oct 14, 2009
sorry man, I didn't know my state of residence offended you...it's calm here, alot of flat land. Basis less and baseless are not synonymous, I meant what I typed :)

interestingly enough, I have no affiliation to the Pastor you are talking about...I'm not even licensed in your fellowship.
I see it like this, a lady starts the thread about how she appreciates the guy, you guys take the time to slander his character and refer to him in derogatory terms...I don't know, the guy could be a total degenerate for all I know, but it doesn't matter. She looks good, you look stupid, hateful, arrogant and bullheaded.
I'm not looking to get into a keystroke war here, buddy. I'm just saying if you have an issue with whomever it is better to speak to them personally about it. I'm sure satan smiles upon when we tear each other up.
good night, folks
John Calvin

West Palm Beach, FL

#24 Oct 14, 2009
although a word of caution to the lady that started the thread...Pastor Whomever didn't save the 'lost', Jesus did.
Even good pastor's righteousness is filthy compared to that which we exchange our sin for, in Christ.
Cat

Joplin, MO

#25 Oct 27, 2009
I cant believe that you can call yourselves Christians . I see the Judgment and the language and I am appauled at you behavior.I cant imagine Jesus responding kindly to anyof this. So I ask you what would Christ do? What would he besaying ? and Are you as a Christian or as a Christ follower really be speaking for him ???
Whatever wrote:
NPC youth group event it was not personal time. Tommy lied on this post like he lies about many other things! He was and is John's little bitch!
Interested Party

Monett, MO

#26 Oct 28, 2009
Cat, just because someone posts on a forum concerning Christian people or items, doesn't make them a Christian. Please don't judge everyone in the church by what one person has stated on this forum.
In Fear

Warsaw, IN

#28 Nov 3, 2009
John is very powerful he makes that clear to all who work for him, and he will use his power to destroy you if you cross him just ask Paul Kirk. And stop faulting people like Tommy Sparger for not doing more the fact is Tommy and others can not stand up to John, they know his spirit and they know that he would not stop with Paul. John will answer for his ways one day, by One who does not fear him, until that day John must live everyday with who he is and what he has done. As yourself why doesn’t John have any relationship with former staff members?
Romper Room

Springfield, MO

#29 Nov 3, 2009
I've watched the AG powers for years. It is amazing. In 1947 they booted a group (commonly referred to as "the Latter Rain movement") who today would be their very leaders. Attend James River or their north side satelite North Point and you will see.

No apology was ever made to the men that were crucified spiritually by the AG leaders at the time. Those crucified had their message adopted into the AG movement over the next 40 years but no apologies have ever been forthcoming.

Today's leaders are branching beyond though into the Prosperity movement of the "ear tickling" faith movement based in Broken Arrow.

The power struggles within the local AG (mentioned by others previously) is typical of the entire AG movement since the early 1900s when it started. Pride, control, "you must believe my way and my way only OR ELSE."

Today, it is slicker. Better packaged, granted. but is still the "Romper Room" of Christianity where one goes for an "aion" (period of time) but eventually one grows up and moves on to 1st grade.

I don't fault them though. Romper Rooms are need to educate the babes and keep them entertained until they are ready for school. Someone needs to wipe the drool and change the dirty diapers (Wilsons Creek/Timber Creek, etc.).

If you are ready for school move on...1st grade is always taking applications!

Hint: the Holy Spirit lives within...not outside...if you are dependant upon a group for your inspiration then you are in Romper Room. When you are ready (and I am not rushing you... enjoy 'play time') throw off the dipaers, put on training pants and venture out into the real world.
Disappointed

Farmer City, IL

#30 Dec 16, 2009
Tommy I am so disappointed. I see John has taught you well. Why is it that anytime the church does something good for those in the community you have to call the media? I think it's great that you are doing something positive for families, but how do you think it makes the people receiving help to be on camera? How would you feel if you were in their shoes? It is hard enough for some to ask for help let alone have it plastered all over the news.
Interested Party

Monett, MO

#31 Dec 16, 2009
Yeah how dare he have a church that is concerned with people that are generally overlooked & getting nothing in return for it. Maybe the news is a good way for others that need help to see that NPC is a place that they can go & get the help that they need. Tommy is not a proud man, nor is he in it for his own personal gain. Besides, were there any people that left without receiving the assistance that they needed because a camera was there? I doubt it. People in that position are probably happy to have someone to help them & don't care who sees it. Also is it better to do things and have someone recognize it or is it better to do nothing and not be recognized & let people suffer?
Disappointed wrote:
Tommy I am so disappointed. I see John has taught you well. Why is it that anytime the church does something good for those in the community you have to call the media? I think it's great that you are doing something positive for families, but how do you think it makes the people receiving help to be on camera? How would you feel if you were in their shoes? It is hard enough for some to ask for help let alone have it plastered all over the news.
Disappointed

Farmer City, IL

#32 Dec 16, 2009
Interested Party wrote:
Yeah how dare he have a church that is concerned with people that are generally overlooked & getting nothing in return for it. Maybe the news is a good way for others that need help to see that NPC is a place that they can go & get the help that they need. Tommy is not a proud man, nor is he in it for his own personal gain. Besides, were there any people that left without receiving the assistance that they needed because a camera was there? I doubt it. People in that position are probably happy to have someone to help them & don't care who sees it. Also is it better to do things and have someone recognize it or is it better to do nothing and not be recognized & let people suffer?
<quoted text>
Interested party you have missed the point. I am not saying that people should not receive help and I am not saying people should suffer. Jesus did things for people all the time and never did it for the publicity. I am only saying that you can do great things for people without contacting the media to tell them what you are doing. By contacting the media you are only drawing attention to yourself and getting some free advertisment for your church. People don't need to be reminded to help others. It's just good that some do it without needing recognition or ever contacting the media.
Interested Party

Monett, MO

#33 Dec 17, 2009
Disappointed wrote:
<quoted text>
Interested party you have missed the point. I am not saying that people should not receive help and I am not saying people should suffer. Jesus did things for people all the time and never did it for the publicity. I am only saying that you can do great things for people without contacting the media to tell them what you are doing. By contacting the media you are only drawing attention to yourself and getting some free advertisment for your church. People don't need to be reminded to help others. It's just good that some do it without needing recognition or ever contacting the media.
I'ts not about the recognition, it's about letting other people that may need the help know that NPC is there for them.
Disappointed

Farmer City, IL

#34 Dec 19, 2009
Interested Party wrote:
<quoted text>
I'ts not about the recognition, it's about letting other people that may need the help know that NPC is there for them.
Really?
Interested Party

Monett, MO

#35 Dec 21, 2009
Disappointed wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?
Really really. Have you been to a service at NPC? Do you know Tommy at all, other than what you see on the news? NPC is about changed lives, not the publicity from our outreaches. Even through those all glory is given to God, not to man. I don't know who you are, but I do know that NPC is seeing peoples lives changed on a weekly basis and helping those that can't help themselves. If the news wants to report on that, so be it.
Spongebob

Keller, TX

#36 Jan 6, 2010
Honestly? You guys are morons.
What was Tommy supposed to do? Go rogue warrior and fall on the same sword Paul did? He says he stood up for his friend, and he did. Is he supposed to lose all that he's built up-- not only the community, but for his family as well? He's a pastor. Just a man. He isn't God...he just interprets Gods word and helps others understand His grace. When people believe that their Pastors are perfect, well.........things like this idiotic discussion happens.
Fact 1) Ireland, if you're insinuating anything wrong, dirty, or inappropriate about Tommys behavior towards his flock......then you yourself have a very twisted sense of things, and if that's the case then it's all you.....and maybe you need help. Tommy isn't that way.
Fact 2) There always will be people who want to put politics into the religious pot. That's why we all migrated here from Europe, isn't it? To escape that persecution?
Fact 3) Tommy is just a man. He's not a god, and not perfect. He came from TX, came from a difficult childhood, and has worked his butt off for all that he has. But he didn't walk on water, and he didn't do the loaves and fishes. If you want perfection, look to God.
Fact 4) Get a grip on reality. Get a life.

Fact 5) If you people from MO knew what was happening, then why didn't you all try to stop the lawsuit? Why didn't you make your own voices heard? You can make a difference. You don't have to be a Pastor to be heard.
Maybe you're all too lazy? Maybe you'd rather point the finger at someone else?
Youth Worker

Springfield, MO

#37 Apr 2, 2010
Tommy wrote:
I started to drop my daughter off at NPC youth group, I asked the youth pastor what the kids would be doing, he said " canvassing for Wilson creek" so either you lie or you head is up your $&@.
I am one of the volunteer youth leaders and the youth group has NEVER ever canvassed for wilson creek. NPC and JRAG/wilson creek have nothing to do with each other. They are both churches in the same geographic region of the same denomination. The people at NPC never canvased or helped promote the wilson's creek campus of James River Assembly of God.
Disappointed

Benton, KY

#38 Apr 11, 2010
Youth Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
I am one of the volunteer youth leaders and the youth group has NEVER ever canvassed for wilson creek. NPC and JRAG/wilson creek have nothing to do with each other. They are both churches in the same geographic region of the same denomination. The people at NPC never canvased or helped promote the wilson's creek campus of James River Assembly of God.
Youth Leader, you say that NPC and JRAG have nothing to do with each other. Let me say you must not have been around long. Ask your Pastor Tommy Sparger. Was North Point not a start off from JRAG? You need to get your story straight before you start posting. You do need to get your head out from under the rock. Look out Tommy you are next. Just ask John Lindell. Of course he will say no wink wink.
Matthew W

Springfield, MO

#39 Aug 10, 2010
Tommy Sparger wrote:
Honestly, I did stand up and tell the Assemblies of God (Southern Mo District) exactly what I thought about the lawsuit against Timbercreek and my friend Paul.
Pastor Tommy, great job. I am glad you stood up. The AG has had its issues and will when it does not walk in God's will. You have an annointed ministry and the fruit bears that out......

Keep up the work for the Kingdom.....

Now, if only we can convert you to being a Steelers fan instead of a cowboys fan.....
Youth Worker

United States

#40 Jun 30, 2012
Tommy Sparger Resigns Church Due to Affair

NPC Statement June 30, 2012
It is with deep sadness and regret that we announce Tommy Sparger is no longer the Lead Pastor of North Point Church. This past Friday, June 29 Pastor Tommy Sparger confessed to a moral failure to the board of trustees of North Point Church, and with this announcement he tendered his resignation. The board is setting in place a plan for the congregation, both short- and long-term, that will be communicated in the next few days. Our prayers are with Tommy and Rachel and their family during this very difficult time.
Ex AOGer

Greenwood, MO

#41 Jun 30, 2012
Turns out "Anna" was right after all. Shocker!

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