Teen Challenge Exposed!
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“It's all about the money”

Since: Jul 07

Clovis, CA

#1 Aug 28, 2007
A former Teen Challenge student exposes this abusive Christian alcohol and drug program. Although seen by many as a worthwhile organization, Teen Challenge has a dark side, one of pathological abuse and an obsession with the almighty dollar.

http://www.teenchallengeexposed.com
Caught in a trap

United States

#2 Sep 4, 2007
One more example of what the Assemblies of God has become under Tom Trask and others AVOID at all cost the AG is a Cult!

Since: Sep 07

Canada

#3 Sep 9, 2007
Caught in a trap wrote:
One more example of what the Assemblies of God has become under Tom Trask and others AVOID at all cost the AG is a Cult!
I was once a member of another cult known as Jehovah's Witnesses. They are what I'd call a "works-based" sect, that is, salvation depends on whatever the leadership tells you. Is the AOG similar?

NorthPeace

“It's all about the money”

Since: Jul 07

Clovis, CA

#4 Sep 9, 2007
NorthPeace wrote:
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I was once a member of another cult known as Jehovah's Witnesses. They are what I'd call a "works-based" sect, that is, salvation depends on whatever the leadership tells you. Is the AOG similar?
NorthPeace
Not from what I've seen. I don't believe the AoG really knows what goes on at Teen Challenge. When the AoG people showed up, we had to be on our best behavior, and the normally abusive staff would act all nice and friendly. If we didn't go along, we got kicked out and sent back to jail.
TC Staff

United States

#5 Sep 21, 2007
Teen Challenge Exposed wrote:
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Not from what I've seen. I don't believe the AoG really knows what goes on at Teen Challenge. When the AoG people showed up, we had to be on our best behavior, and the normally abusive staff would act all nice and friendly. If we didn't go along, we got kicked out and sent back to jail.
you are so full of garbage....brother, I hope you get some help

“It's all about the money”

Since: Jul 07

Clovis, CA

#6 Sep 21, 2007
TC Staff wrote:
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you are so full of garbage....brother, I hope you get some help
I'm not your brother, under any circumstances. My siblings are all college graduates, as am I. You're a graduate of the Teen Challenge Mental Institution (TCMI).

If your gig at Teen Challenge doesn't work out, there's always barber college.
KsB

Terrebonne, OR

#7 Sep 22, 2007
I am interested in looking into your claims. I am a Christian that adheres to the Word of God and it sounds to me like the originator of this little discussion has a lot more problems than teen challenge. It is amazing to me how the Bible talks about this kind of hate and I am sad for you. You are only destroying the Church with what you are doing, why not try to help instead of hate or are you against the Church?
TC Staff

United States

#8 Sep 24, 2007
Teen Challenge Exposed wrote:
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I'm not your brother, under any circumstances. My siblings are all college graduates, as am I. You're a graduate of the Teen Challenge Mental Institution (TCMI).
If your gig at Teen Challenge doesn't work out, there's always barber college.
you might elicit a laugh were you not so sad. by the way Mike, what exactly have you accomplished with your crusade? let me answer that for you, nothing, because no weapon formed against us can prosper. there is obvious brokeness that exists within you and I pray that you would press through and touch the hem of His garment. The foot of the cross is the only place you will find the healing for which you are so desperate. Also, you might consider knowing who it is that you are speaking with prior to attacking their education.

“It's all about the money”

Since: Jul 07

Clovis, CA

#9 Sep 24, 2007
What exactly have I accomplished? How about helping to keep a Teen Challenge men's facility from opening in Eureka, CA? Read on:

Rehab facility raises ethical questions

by Bradley Mack, McKinleyville, 7/4/2007

Originally, I believed there was nothing to be concerned about if Eureka allowed the controversial Teen Challenge organization to build its Wabash facility, on the condition that they begin with 10 beds instead of 50 and report to the City Council once or twice a year regarding any stressed neighbor issues. But after reading the “Former member talks about abusive ministry” letter in your June 26 edition, I’m having second thoughts.

Pardon me for continuing to refer to our long-lost Constitution, but doesn’t the 13th Amendment say something about U.S. citizens being protected from slavery and involuntary servitude,“except as a punishment for crime”? However, Michael Kincheloe states,“If you cannot make money for the (Teen Challenge) ministry, you are dumped at the bus station”? Nice.

It might be helpful to point out that this money-making business arrangement is the complete opposite of the well-managed Arcata and Multiple Assistance Center House transitional housing programs. Clients there are required to have a paying job or a steady Supplemental Security Income prior to moving in, and they save their money. Counseling is also mandatory and, along with participating in community activities, members are frequently encouraged to get involved in religious/spiritual programs of their choice.
In comparison, if Teen Challenge doesn’t permit its members to keep 90 percent or more of their earnings, and desires to force its neocon style of Christianity onto its participants — well, I’d have to say, as Michael explained, its administration is mostly in it for “the almighty dollar.”

The idea of “breaking”(basically, lowering a person’s self-esteem until they have to agree, or confusing them until they can’t comprehend right from wrong) members into conforming to the Teen Challenge agenda doesn’t sound all that great either. It’s too symptomatic of the world’s overly oppressive, out-of-control military-industrial complex.

And a police state, coupled with industrial domination of commerce and politics, doesn’t belong in any sustainable and just community, state or country. While thwarting democracy, the arrangement continues making our world violent and volatile. And who wants that?

One last point for the City Council: In Eureka and America, the majority is supposed to be in charge of law and regulation making, not only special interests. And particularly not only wealthy special interests who have acquired their money by, along with private donations, exploiting and manipulating indigents or the less fortunate into providing Teen Challenge’s financial stability.

Except for the amazingly wise for his age Councilmember Chris Kerrigan, y’all are walking a fine line here ethically. I mean, didn’t you take an oath to uphold the Constitution, and didn’t our supposed leader,“mission-accomplished” George, say he’s “spreading democracy” as he prolongs his barbaric Iraqi petro-war?

Kudos to Sue Brandenburg, Ann White and the many other concerned citizens for speaking out at the council meeting and looking into the legality of all this stressful stuff. Maybe there are other former Teen Challengers out there willing to write a letter to the editor?

“It's all about the money”

Since: Jul 07

Clovis, CA

#10 Sep 24, 2007
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Followed by this:

Property buy falls through; Redwood Teen Challenge back to drawing board

Thadeus Greenson/The Times-Standard
07/14/2007

EUREKA -- After weeks of public outcry and heated debates at City Council meetings, plans to convert the dilapidated church building at 321 West Wabash into a Redwood Teen Challenge facility died quietly this week.

Ron Queen of Queen and Associates, who represents the sellers, confirmed Friday that the sale of the property fell through.

”There was so much controversy (the buyers) were concerned about having problems with everybody, so they just basically backed out,” Queen said, adding the buyers were primarily worried about a possible lawsuit derailing or indefinitely postponing the project.

Queen said Steve Strombeck, one of the buyers, asked to extend escrow on the property, hoping to wait and see if any litigation was brought against the city for its decision to grant the project a conditional use permit.

The sellers, Queen said, weren't willing to wait.
”We could keep extending and extending, and we don't know if there was going to be litigation or problems down the road,” Queen said.“It could just go on forever.”

Several area residents met the news with sighs of relief.

Dozen spoke out against having Teen Challenge -- a faith-based, residential substance abuse treatment facility -- move into their neighborhood, which they said is already saturated with rehabilitation houses.

”Whoopee,” said Sue Brandenburg, who initially appealed the May 14 Planning Commission decision to approve a conditional use permit for the project.

The appeal brought the matter before the council, which denied Brandenburg's appeal in a 3-1 vote, with Councilman Mike Jones recusing himself for a potential conflict of interest and Councilman Chris Kerrigan dissenting.

After her initial excitement, Brandenburg said she couldn't comment on the situation and that she and the newly formed West Side Association, a group of area residents, would continue with their plans until she learned more.

Sylvia Scott, an area resident and outspoken project opponent, said she was thrilled.

”It's just a pity, isn't it? All that hard work going down the drain,” she said in obvious sarcasm, before hinting that the city may not have heard the last on this matter.“This is just the tip of the ice berg.”

Queen said when he thinks about the Teen Challenge project, he thinks of what could have been.

Fred Lamberson III, director of Redwood Teen Challenge could not be reached for comment on whether the group is looking at any other properties in the area.
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It's only a single step, but single steps are what make up a journey.

You'll be hearing more about Teen Challenge in California in the next few months. Stay tuned.

To whom I am speaking with and whatever education they may have is of little significance. The fact that they are associated with an abusive organization such as Teen Challenge reveals all that I need to know about them.
TC Staff

United States

#11 Sep 25, 2007
sad, sad, sad, so this is your pride and joy, this is your grandiose accomplishment. you are to be pitied.
just me

Hamilton, Canada

#12 Oct 1, 2007
Teen Challenge Exposed wrote:
A former Teen Challenge student exposes this abusive Christian alcohol and drug program. Although seen by many as a worthwhile organization, Teen Challenge has a dark side, one of pathological abuse and an obsession with the almighty dollar.
http://www.teenchallengeexposed.com
wow, in Canada it must be different. My hubby has been there for 8 months now and it has completely changed his life. He was addicted to crack and was robbing places to feed his habit. We were an upper- middle class family until this happened then it left him unemployed, SUV repo'ed, we signed our house over to my parents so we wouldn't lose it. TC knew all this. They still accepted him with open arms. We had no money and were in furious debt from cards and collectors, our CHURCH is the one who had to pay our ONE TIME $750 fee, which in included the application registration fee. This cost includes food, recreation, utilities, and housing. In turn there is work order to be done around the grounds, but nothing severe, daily cleaning routines, kitchen help, environmental maintenance (cutting the lawn, feeding animals etc.) By no means is it slave labour. It's called responsible living and earning your keep. Staff are extremely caring, friendly and helpful also, and in no way cruel or abusive. So if you're going to knock TC, just beware that they're not all like that. My hubby was in the Sault St. Marie for 3 weeks before being transferred to the London site.(Sault St. Marie for the detox period and waiting list) and he said that one was very much the same, and my hubby in the state he was in upon entering was in no mood to get along with anyone, or abide by any rules. They were patient, kind and made him feel human, which is more than the penitentiary he came from was like. I feel my husband coming back to me, becoming a person with a soul, and a lust for life and Him.
Sorry so long!
Ciao
~just me in Ontario

“It's all about the money”

Since: Jul 07

Clovis, CA

#13 Oct 1, 2007
just me wrote:
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wow, in Canada it must be different. My hubby has been there for 8 months now and it has completely changed his life. He was addicted to crack and was robbing places to feed his habit. We were an upper- middle class family until this happened then it left him unemployed, SUV repo'ed, we signed our house over to my parents so we wouldn't lose it. TC knew all this. They still accepted him with open arms. We had no money and were in furious debt from cards and collectors, our CHURCH is the one who had to pay our ONE TIME $750 fee, which in included the application registration fee. This cost includes food, recreation, utilities, and housing. In turn there is work order to be done around the grounds, but nothing severe, daily cleaning routines, kitchen help, environmental maintenance (cutting the lawn, feeding animals etc.) By no means is it slave labour. It's called responsible living and earning your keep. Staff are extremely caring, friendly and helpful also, and in no way cruel or abusive. So if you're going to knock TC, just beware that they're not all like that. My hubby was in the Sault St. Marie for 3 weeks before being transferred to the London site.(Sault St. Marie for the detox period and waiting list) and he said that one was very much the same, and my hubby in the state he was in upon entering was in no mood to get along with anyone, or abide by any rules. They were patient, kind and made him feel human, which is more than the penitentiary he came from was like. I feel my husband coming back to me, becoming a person with a soul, and a lust for life and Him.
Sorry so long!
Ciao
~just me in Ontario
I posted my link on Topix boards in both cities in July:

http://www.topix.com/forum/ca/london-on

http://www.topix.com/forum/ca/sault-ste-marie...

I'm glad he found a good one. They're rare. Good luck to both of you.
The Inspector

Springfield, MO

#14 Oct 2, 2007
Interesting comments. As an insurance risk manager I have personally visited over 20 centers to look for health and safety issues with the property and program. Most of the visits are surprise visits in order to see what they are like without a warning or clean up period. All of the centers have expressed concern for their residents and made every possible effort to provide a safe and secure environment for the residents. Where there were safety issues it was usually due to a lack of funds because they spend a lot of money on the care of the residents, not focusing on having the newest or best facilities. In every instance, they have made the suggested modifications quickly and without complaint.

While I don't know "Exposed" circumstances, it is possible he had a run in with an overzealous program person or one who was out of step with what I have observed nationally. Just like there are bad politicians, business leaders, police officers, lawyers, webmasters, etc.(list is limitless)there could be a bad leader in one center. That does not invalidate all centers no more than one bad police officer makes all police officers bad. Too bad "Exposed" wants to lash out at all of the programs, it indicates his/her desire to let the government control one more aspect of our lives.

My experience in interviewing current residents and those who have either completed or left the program has been more like "Ontario"'s experience than "Exposed". But in this free country you get your say, even when you have a limited view that is not representative of the big picture of life.

I hope "Exposed" finds some happiness in knowing he/she took away a potential help for others.

the inspector
you know

Coatesville, PA

#15 Oct 10, 2007
teen challenge is the worst place for a drug addict to go..they are money hungry...they wouldnt give me my letter to give to the judge saying that i was in teen challenge unless i payed pastor nicky his six hundred dollars those bastards and pastor arthor is buying and selling cars for top dollar over in New Haven conn. if u ask me thats a gangster mob mantality. Not even close to a man of God they cover up very well though i must say..all Pastor Arthor talks about in his rambling speeches in the church is the dollar..thats all they care about..Teen challenge should be shut down it is a cult..ohh and i had to unload trucks full of furniture and put them in front of Pastor Arthors house so he could sell it and make money...i did that every saturday taking heavy furniture from the basment of teenchallenge to Pastor Arthors front yard to be sold..that is just slave labor..they are really sick people...Arthor wouldnt even let us eat breakfast until all the furiture that he wanted out front of his house was out of the basement and on his front lawn..Thats not humain...someone one should really check on this...breaking my back for a so called man of God..He should be put in prison for modern dayslavery of dug addicts trying to get help.I dont know about Canada TC or Ontario but you go to TC New Haven your in for some real slave work...It is just wrong and i know it first hand Arthor takes the sides of black people...Pastor Pedro takes the sides of hispanics...and Pastor Nicky is an Italian Mobster...someone please check TC New Haven out...shut it down..Thank you
A Freind

Oxford, MA

#16 Oct 23, 2007
On behalf of Teen Challenge and every true Christian, just wanted to tell all of those who have posted negative comments about that there is hope in Jesus Christ and that we love and forgive you.

“It's all about the money”

Since: Jul 07

Clovis, CA

#17 Oct 23, 2007
A Freind wrote:
On behalf of Teen Challenge and every true Christian, just wanted to tell all of those who have posted negative comments about that there is hope in Jesus Christ and that we love and forgive you.
Remember: "i" before "e" except after "c".
anonymous

Littleton, CO

#18 Nov 1, 2007
I'm not sure why you think so badly of Teen Challenge. But the Bible says to stand up for a good man and I believe that this applies here. By the time I was 17 I was a drug addict. I was hopeless, and God in all His awesome greatness made a way for me to go to Teen Challenge. They were very good to me there, they showered me with love and acceptance. I am now 21 and I haven't even desired to go back to drugs at all. I am very happy, for the first time. I am glad I found this website to maybe help you realize that whatever you heard or saw it can't be applied to every Teen Challenge. I am very sorry to hear that you actually prevented a Teen Challenge from being opened, because it's a place that offers hope to the hopeless and if you've never been hopeless then you could NEVER understand. Your decision has affected many people's lives, no doubt. If you really knew Jesus like I know Him you would love Him and His people. You should know that Heaven is real and Hell is hot and you will end up in one or the other. May God have mercy on your soul.
Me in NH

Rochester, NH

#19 Nov 1, 2007
Amen to Anonymous in Grand Rapids, MI. God bless YOUR soul! Teen Challenge saved my daughter's life. Thank you Jesus!
Someone who cares

Columbia, CT

#20 Jan 1, 2008
Pastor Arthor and New Haven TC is being looked into! There is a lot of funney stuff going on. I have someone watching them for meny resons.(1) is about money, and how they get it.(2) is how they treat people when something goes wronge and T,C, is exposed, just kicking someone out in the cold with just a jacket in the winter time with no money. I think they get rid of people they feel are bagage, not producers! I know there is probles with the staff. I need to find people that know anything about T.C. in New Haven.

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