Episcopal Leader Defends Gay Bishops

[MiddleWay]

Monettan in Exile wrote:

Why are Episcopalians so bad at Chess?
They can't tell a Bishop from a Queen.

Why are you so hatefilled? You wouldn't recognize Jesus if he was standing next to you, looking Middle Eastern and all.

Now go back to defending the UNBiblical practices as the rosary, confession, Immaculte Conception on Dec. 8th and Jesus birth on the 25th 9(Super-pregnancy!), transubstantiation, etc.

[Victor]

MiddleWay wrote:

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Why are you so hatefilled? You wouldn't recognize Jesus if he was standing next to you, looking Middle Eastern and all.
Now go back to defending the UNBiblical practices as the rosary, confession, Immaculte Conception on Dec. 8th and Jesus birth on the 25th 9(Super-pregnancy!), transubstantiation, etc.

You have to see the comedic irony of Monettan's statement, coming from a Roman Catholic, whose church has a notorius reputation for not only having many, many homosexual priests, but also bishops and archbishops. Of course, Catholics don't like to admit this, they prefer to say that it exists in other denominations too, it helps diffuse it somehow in their minds. Go figure.

[NitaM]

Episcopalian Leaders DEFENDING gay bishops. Wow! Now that's a horse of a different color and really gay. One by one, protestant sects imploding and the Catholic Church will be there to take in the fold of sheep that strayed from the Truth. Jesus prayed, "That they all may be one Lord of all, one Faith, One Baptism, one Church." Sign of the times so stay tuned.

[NitaM]

sorry, that's that they all may have one Lord of all.

[NitaM]

Middle Way, <Now go back to defending the UNBiblical practices as the rosary, confession, Immaculte Conception on Dec. 8th and Jesus birth on the 25th 9(Super-pregnancy!), transubstantiation, etc.>

A. Have you ever really prayed the Rosary to say that is not biblical?(www.virtualrosary.or g)
Confession is a sacrament instituted by the Jesus. He breathed on them and said, "Whom so ever sins you forgive, they shall be forgiven and whom so ever sins you shall not forgive, shall not be forgiven on earth or in heaven."

And the latter parts of your statement are biblical too. The word Holy Trinity is not in the Bible but you should know it to be the Godhead of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. God in three divine persons in one God.
(www.scripturecatholic.com)
-NitaM

[Disciple]

Am I the only one that sees three strikes.

Strike one: There is no scriptural example, command or inference for an office of "Presiding Bishop." The Bible teaches that Bishops/Elders are the overeers of each local congregation. There is no "higher" office in the church, as Christ is the Head of the entire universal church and all of the local churches.

Strike two: There is no scriptural command, example or inference of any female bishop, much less "female presiding bishop." Bishops are the teachers and overseers in each local church, and no woman is permitted to teach or to have authority over a man in the church (1 Tim 2:12).

Strike three: Any Christian should know that once a bishop declares that he is openly gay (which must mean that he has not repented of his sin), then he is automatically disqualified from being a bishop. If he was not married, then he should not have been a bishop in the first place (1 Tim 3:2).

Let me guess...I'm alone in this again.

Sigh...

[NitaM]

What a dumb move on the Episcopalien leaders DEFEDNDING Gay bishops and another good reason to stay away from that gay life style:
Drug-resistant staph found to be passed in gay sex
Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:17pm EST

By Amanda Beck

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters)- A drug-resistant strain of potentially deadly bacteria has moved beyond the borders of U.S. hospitals and is being transmitted among gay men during sex, researchers said on Monday.

They said methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, or MRSA, is beginning to appear outside hospitals in San Francisco, Boston, New York and Los Angeles.

Sexually active gay men in San Francisco are 13 times more likely to be infected than their heterosexual neighbors, the researchers reported in the Annals of Internal Medicine.

"Once this reaches the general population, it will be truly unstoppable," said Binh Diep, a researcher at the University of California, San Francisco who led the study. "That's why we're trying to spread the message of prevention."
As posted first from another thread by Franck.
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/i ...
-NitaM

[KGC]

Dear Nita,

NitaM wrote:

What a dumb move on the Episcopalien leaders DEFEDNDING Gay bishops and another good reason to stay away from that gay life style:
Drug-resistant staph found to be passed in gay sex
Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:17pm EST
By Amanda Beck
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters)- A drug-resistant strain of potentially deadly bacteria has moved beyond the borders of U.S. hospitals and is being transmitted among gay men during sex, researchers said on Monday.
They said methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, or MRSA, is beginning to appear outside hospitals in San Francisco, Boston, New York and Los Angeles.
Sexually active gay men in San Francisco are 13 times more likely to be infected than their heterosexual neighbors, the researchers reported in the Annals of Internal Medicine.
"Once this reaches the general population, it will be truly unstoppable," said Binh Diep, a researcher at the University of California, San Francisco who led the study. "That's why we're trying to spread the message of prevention."
As posted first from another thread by Franck.
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/i ...
-NitaM

What a bunch of hooey!

First, TEC does not condone or support multiple partner sex, either homosexual or heterosexual. In fact, just the opposite. TEC supports marriage.

Whether you understand or not, it is a fact that homosexuality, whether between men or women or among transexuals, has been part of mankind for all of recorded history. The behavior is regarded as sin because mankind has never understood why it occurs. Yet, in only the last 20 years, answers sought to determine the cause of this behavior are developing and it is not so apparent anymore that calling this behavior "sin" is either appropriate or justified.

So, taking the taboo and unjustifiable judgmentalism by the horns, TEC is engaged in bringing the truth to light and stopping the bigotry and condescension that arises from those attitudes that define homosexual behavior as sin. Furthermore, TEC is finding good reason to bless the unions of couples who are willing to devote themselves to each other's care and spiritual growth.

Third, MRSA is the result of a rapidly mutating bacteria that has found a home in hospitals and care facilities, which bacteria had become immune to penicillin and then nearly all cillin-types of anti-bacterial agents. It has nothing to do with homosexual behavior anymore than AIDS does, except that promiscuous behavior helps to transmit it, whether homo- or hetero-.

The researcher, Binh Diep, understates the problem. MRSA has already reached the general population and it is practically unstoppable. If you don't believe me, go as a visitor into any general hospital and take a walk down the hallways of recovering surgery patients. There you will find numerous patients who have MRSA infections contracted during surgery. It is a nightmare.

Get your facts straight Nita, and open your eyes.

KGC

[MiddleWay]

Franck wrote:

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Why don't you tell us all exactly what it is that you practice? Give what denomination you belong to please.

Why?
I'm a Christians so what difference does it make.

I'm a jew by birth and a Christian by choice.

[MiddleWay]

Victor wrote:

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You have to see the comedic irony of Monettan's statement, coming from a Roman Catholic, whose church has a notorius reputation for not only having many, many homosexual priests, but also bishops and archbishops. Of course, Catholics don't like to admit this, they prefer to say that it exists in other denominations too, it helps diffuse it somehow in their minds. Go figure.

PLEASE learn the difference between PEDophile and HOMOsexual...

[MiddleWay]

NitaM wrote:

Episcopalian Leaders DEFENDING gay bishops. Wow! Now that's a horse of a different color and really gay. One by one, protestant sects imploding and the Catholic Church will be there to take in the fold of sheep that strayed from the Truth. Jesus prayed, "That they all may be one Lord of all, one Faith, One Baptism, one Church." Sign of the times so stay tuned.

You're a real help to that Unity, eh?
LOL

[MiddleWay]

NitaM wrote:

Middle Way, <Now go back to defending the UNBiblical practices as the rosary, confession, Immaculte Conception on Dec. 8th and Jesus birth on the 25th 9(Super-pregnancy!), transubstantiation, etc.>
A. Have you ever really prayed the Rosary to say that is not biblical?(www.virtualrosary.or g)
Confession is a sacrament instituted by the Jesus. He breathed on them and said, "Whom so ever sins you forgive, they shall be forgiven and whom so ever sins you shall not forgive, shall not be forgiven on earth or in heaven."
And the latter parts of your statement are biblical too. The word Holy Trinity is not in the Bible but you should know it to be the Godhead of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. God in three divine persons in one God.
(www.scripturecatholic.com)
-NitaM

I dont use the Catholic Bible...I use the Aramaic.

Now, where did Jesus say to pray the rosary?

Where did Jesus say only 'priests' are able to forgive sins?

Good skip of the Immaculate Coneption and the Christmas date...I don't blame you.

[Victor]

MiddleWay wrote:

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PLEASE learn the difference between PEDophile and HOMOsexual...

Unlike many who posts in this forum, I do know the difference. You will read that many Catholics think that the pedophile problem is really a homosexual problem, when in fact, anyone could be a pedophile.

What I referred to was the fact that there are and have always been homosexual priests in the RCC. There have also, always been pedophiles in the RCC. The two are not necessarily the same. I think that the RCC prefers to call it a homosexual problem as a scapegoat. It would be more acceptable to the general public. They would then attempt to make a token action to reduce the numbers of homosexual priests as appeasement, which they may find does little to curb the pedophilia. It's all mirrors, smoke and damage control and I could care less if any Catholic wants to believe the RCC rhetoric or not. I don't buy it.

[C Hamilton]

Victor wrote:

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Unlike many who posts in this forum, I do know the difference. You will read that many Catholics think that the pedophile problem is really a homosexual problem, when in fact, anyone could be a pedophile.
What I referred to was the fact that there are and have always been homosexual priests in the RCC. There have also, always been pedophiles in the RCC. The two are not necessarily the same. I think that the RCC prefers to call it a homosexual problem as a scapegoat. It would be more acceptable to the general public. They would then attempt to make a token action to reduce the numbers of homosexual priests as appeasement, which they may find does little to curb the pedophilia. It's all mirrors, smoke and damage control and I could care less if any Catholic wants to believe the RCC rhetoric or not. I don't buy it.

Absolutely spot on post. VERY WELL SAID!

[C Hamilton]

I did read it. It's still my opinion, and apparently that of others, that the RCC wants to scapegoat homosexuals to avoid accepting responsibility. And even if I agreed with the fact that they were homosexual pedophiles (and I do.....I just think the RCC wants to point the finger at the big bad homosexuals), why did the RCC simply move them to another church or abuse more children? Can you give me a good answer for that?

[C Hamilton]

Franck wrote:

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We don't need to scapegoat homosexuals as they WERE the ones the most responsible for the abuse whether the Church moved them around or not isn't the issue. The issue is whether the majority of the abuse cases were homosexual pedophilia and they were.
They shouldn't have moved them around, period. Simple as that. And.. they shouldn't have ever allowed for homosexual priests to infiltrate the Church. I hope they have learned their lesson now.

Franck, I realize the futility of beating my head up against a brick wall BUT....not all homosexuals are pedophiles. In fact, the VAST MAJORITY are not!

[C Hamilton]

Franck wrote:

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I didn't say that all homosexuals were pedophiles, but I know that all the homosexuals that abused children in my church were pedophiles.

So is your logic then that if you get rid of all homosexuals the problem will go away? Can you not admit that there might actually be homosexuals who are good and loving people who wouldn't dream of harming a child? There have been several cases in the public schools as of late of women who sexually abuse boys. These women are pedophiles. Following your logic, we should no longer allow women to be teachers. Does that make sense?

[MiddleWay]

Victor wrote:

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Unlike many who posts in this forum, I do know the difference. You will read that many Catholics think that the pedophile problem is really a homosexual problem, when in fact, anyone could be a pedophile.
What I referred to was the fact that there are and have always been homosexual priests in the RCC. There have also, always been pedophiles in the RCC. The two are not necessarily the same. I think that the RCC prefers to call it a homosexual problem as a scapegoat. It would be more acceptable to the general public. They would then attempt to make a token action to reduce the numbers of homosexual priests as appeasement, which they may find does little to curb the pedophilia. It's all mirrors, smoke and damage control and I could care less if any Catholic wants to believe the RCC rhetoric or not. I don't buy it.

Thanks for the post!

[MiddleWay]

Franck wrote:

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It makes a helluva lot of difference. I want to know what denomination you attend. You are here bashing my faith, my church so why are you such a damned coward like the rest of most people here about divulging where you attend?
What do YOU attend, an invisible church? Did Jesus say to hide your light under a bushel? Now, please state where you attend church.
If you don't state where you attend I can only assume you are (a)either embarrassed about it or
(b) you don't attend church at all.
So which it?

And what are you going to do little fellow?

I believe these posts are about the Episcopal Church, unless you have hijacked another thread.

You can assume all you want, it just shows your continued ignorance, hate, judgements, division...you know, all the things Christ didn't teach.

[MiddleWay]

Franck wrote:

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I didn't say that all homosexuals were pedophiles, but I know that all the homosexuals that abused children in my church were pedophiles.

Can you back that up? All homosexuals were pedophiles. Ever heard of the AMA. APA?

Great church YOU go to.