Episcopal Leader Defends Gay Bishops

Episcopal Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori says her church has been unfairly singled out for criticism because it is honest about consecrating gay bishops.

[LHarris]

It's good to hear this candor from our presiding bishop. Maybe *she* should be the next Archbishop of Canterbury.

[Sheila Kulkin]

This is just terrible.

[Depot Jim]

The Christian Churches are going down the tubes. Many of them are full of scandals. If it is not Priests attacking boys, it is Gay clergy.

[Praise]

Gay people are not in keeping with parts of the bible. Of course so is not sacrificing oxen, but there you are are.

And don't forget this holiday season that Jesus says you must give away ALL your possessions and give the money to the poor to get into heaven. Sorry.

[Reality]

Praise wrote:

Gay people are not in keeping with parts of the bible. Of course so is not sacrificing oxen, but there you are are.
And don't forget this holiday season that Jesus says you must give away ALL your possessions and give the money to the poor to get into heaven. Sorry.

I doubt you've read it. You really should because you're confused.

[DAVID OCAMPO]

When I was young, we were known for beautiful churches and beautiful services. Now we are riduculed for practicing basic Christianity. And now is a time to be grateful and proud to be Episcopalian, when we have God's blessing as we are reviled by the ungodly, as Our Lord explained in His beatitudes.

[KGC]

Dear David,

DAVID OCAMPO wrote:

When I was young, we were known for beautiful churches and beautiful services. Now we are riduculed for practicing basic Christianity. And now is a time to be grateful and proud to be Episcopalian, when we have God's blessing as we are reviled by the ungodly, as Our Lord explained in His beatitudes.

You are correct. Never give up. Continue to stand firmly upon the "Rock of Christ."

KGC

[wtf]

Katharine Schori is now an apologist for the G&L agenda.

That comes first fro her now, not her pastorate, not her parishioners and not the faith she vowed to defend.

In the Scriptures Paul warned about novices in places of authority, but since the Episcopal Church dumped the Scriptures as authoritative many years ago , they did not bother to look.

[greenman]

Paul was not an apostle. He was an impostor who the Romans used to spread their newly stolen religion, Christianity, to all of their domain. Saul is his real name and he was a hate-filled misogynist who only hallucinated meeting Jesus, similar to Joseph Smith meeting Moroni and receiving the golden tablets. If you believe him, you will have to believe Joseph Smith.

Also wtf, she is not apologizing for anything, thus she is not an apologist for the LGBT agenda. She just believes, as many Christians believe, that we are all God's children: gay, straight, white, brown, young and old. All of us.

[MiddleWay]

Why not judge people by the life they lead? Are they stealing, lying, murdering? or do they live the life of love Jesus taught us?

It must be hard for non-Episcopals to understand voting for your leaders, rather than having them assigned...

[Deckard]

"Paul was not an apostle. He was an impostor who the Romans used to spread their newly stolen religion, Christianity, to all of their domain. Saul is his real name and he was a hate-filled misogynist who only hallucinated meeting Jesus, similar to Joseph Smith meeting Moroni and receiving the golden tablets. If you believe him, you will have to believe Joseph Smith."--(Greenman)

Wow. Greenman, what have you been reading? I think perhaps you need to get to know Paul a little better.

these works might help...
Michael J. Gorman--Apostle to the Crucified Lord
N.T. Wright--What St. Paul Really Said

and this "we are all God's children" theology is wafer thin. yes, we are God's children but how does this relate to the atonement of the Christ? is sin still something Episcopalians have in their vocabulary? and by extension--repentance?

[KGC]

Dear wtf,

wtf wrote:

Katharine Schori is now an apologist for the G&L agenda.
That comes first fro her now, not her pastorate, not her parishioners and not the faith she vowed to defend.
In the Scriptures Paul warned about novices in places of authority, but since the Episcopal Church dumped the Scriptures as authoritative many years ago , they did not bother to look.

In my opinion, you could not be more mistaken about this most excellent priest. Some people are better than others at their profession. This highly educated, accomplished and well versed servant of Christ Jesus is doing as sher was instructed. She is tending to the flock and feeding the sheep who are under her watch. Never doubt it.

Instead, it is your obsession with the "G & L agenda" that causes you to see her ministry in these very narrow terms. It is her obligation to defend TEC and to see to it that secessionists like bishop Schofield are held accountable for leading their flocks away.

She is quite right for calling the rest of the Anglican Communion to task if, as is reported, the Communion has other gay bishops who are not open and above-board about their life partners. We can be reasonably assured that there are gay bishops in the Roman church. Why would we think that bishop Robinson is the only gay bishop in the Anglican Communion. If there are others, let them stand and be counted.

As to novices, you, sir or madam, are very likely the novice of whom you speak in condemnation, only you are not in a place of authority.

KGC

[KGC]

Dear Deckard,

Deckard wrote:

"Paul was not an apostle. He was an impostor who the Romans used to spread their newly stolen religion, Christianity, to all of their domain. Saul is his real name and he was a hate-filled misogynist who only hallucinated meeting Jesus, similar to Joseph Smith meeting Moroni and receiving the golden tablets. If you believe him, you will have to believe Joseph Smith."--(Greenman)
Wow. Greenman, what have you been reading? I think perhaps you need to get to know Paul a little better.
these works might help...
Michael J. Gorman--Apostle to the Crucified Lord
N.T. Wright--What St. Paul Really Said
and this "we are all God's children" theology is wafer thin. yes, we are God's children but how does this relate to the atonement of the Christ? is sin still something Episcopalians have in their vocabulary? and by extension--repentance?

Your opinion about St. Paul is nuttier than a peach orchard borer. Paul was known as "The Apostle to the Gentiles" for good reason. He was instrumental in developing the early Christian Church. Everybody, including the original apostles, the majority of whom remained in Jerusalem, knew of his work in spreading the Gospel. That is why his letters are so important as models of faith.

Yes, he was one who did not favor expression of the equality of women. However, he acknowledged certain women as Teachers and ministers and considered them effective in their ministry. Women were ordained as Deacons for at least the first two hundred years of the church and though there is scant record of it, probably as Priests, also. We do know that Jesus taught women right alongside men to be disciples and therefore to spread the Gospel. Paul acknowledged this. But, in many locales, male-dominated tradition prevailed, just as it does in the regions of southern Eorope and the Middle East and most other parts of the world to the present day.

In fact, he was no more or less favorable to women in authority than were the rest of the apostles.

As to the Romans, including Constantine, yes, they basically adopted the Christian religion on the basis of the old saying, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em." But, they never used Paul for this purpose. Quite the contrary, Paul used his Roman citizenship to keep from being permanently jailed and silenced.

KGC

[KGC]

Dear Deckard,

My apologies. My reply should have been directed to Greenman, who, indeed, has shown his "green" regarding early church history.

KGC

Deckard wrote:

"Paul was not an apostle. He was an impostor who the Romans used to spread their newly stolen religion, Christianity, to all of their domain. Saul is his real name and he was a hate-filled misogynist who only hallucinated meeting Jesus, similar to Joseph Smith meeting Moroni and receiving the golden tablets. If you believe him, you will have to believe Joseph Smith."--(Greenman)
Wow. Greenman, what have you been reading? I think perhaps you need to get to know Paul a little better.
these works might help...
Michael J. Gorman--Apostle to the Crucified Lord
N.T. Wright--What St. Paul Really Said
and this "we are all God's children" theology is wafer thin. yes, we are God's children but how does this relate to the atonement of the Christ? is sin still something Episcopalians have in their vocabulary? and by extension--repentance?

[Chicago Expatriate]

I'm a sinner, but I like my whiskey strong and my religion strict. The Episcopals can do what they want, they'll be out of business in a generation or two, as will most other mainline Protestant denominations that offer religion lite.

[KGC]

Chicago Expatriate wrote:

I'm a sinner, but I like my whiskey strong and my religion strict. The Episcopals can do what they want, they'll be out of business in a generation or two, as will most other mainline Protestant denominations that offer religion lite.

Yeah! Well! That's what they said about 1900 years ago and have repeated fairly often, ever since.

But, you will find that TEC is merely following the directions given by the Master Jesus. His message makes sense, for those who are willing to listen with open hearts and reasoning minds. If from time to time, the spirit breaks free from the crystallized thought, causing the church to shrink back before entering a new phase of growth in grace, then so be it and let it happen.

People declared the church defunct and then the Reformation came. The church survived and grew.

God was declared dead in the 1960's. Then came TV Evangelicals.

Then came the Holy Orders and the universal links across the Great Brotherhood, tying all religions together under the One - something "New Age" for those who have ears and eyes to hear and see.

Then came the discoveries of a single genetic root of Man, confirming the multiple myths of the origin of modern mankind, now understood to be at least 80,000 years ago. Add in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadi and the revelation of other ancient scripts from the Rig Veda to the stone tablets of the Sumerians and the glyphs of the Abysinnians - the continuing discovery of the common roots of Man - and there is good reason to believe that a universal understanding of God's presense is just beginning.

KGC

[Chicago Expatriate]

KGC wrote:

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But, you will find that TEC is merely following the directions given by the Master Jesus.

I think they skipped the part where He said "Go and sin no more."

[MiddleWay]

Chicago Expatriate wrote:

<quoted text> I think they skipped the part where He said "Go and sin no more."

Show me the person who has stopped sinning...

[ParisMike]

Hey, I gotta question for all of your religious folks? Which part of what's going on in the world today is not part of God's Will? Aren't we supposed to be confused, spiteful, arrogant, judging, selfish, violent, diverse, self-righteous creatures? If He didn't want it that way, why is it that way?

[Monettan in Exile]

Why are Episcopalians so bad at Chess?

They can't tell a Bishop from a Queen.