Harvey J. Miller accused of molestati...

Harvey J. Miller accused of molestation-Utica-Ohio

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Concerned

Centerburg, OH

#1 May 14, 2009
Paul Yoder posted flyers on mailboxes to neighbors to inform that Harvey has again molested boys. According to the flyer, he admitted to police that he molested these boys. When the police asked him how many children he molested he could only reply countless. too many to recall. i think he is one of the bishops of the church. he has been accused of molestation since 1990. what happens is these kids are too afraid to testify so most charges are dropped on the offenders. Paul Yoder is tryiing to stop this. see www.amishdeception.com . i live amoung the amish myself and have
'suspected" odd behavior among some. there are many amish that i personally feel raised and care for their families in the real amish way. but there are also those who dont. this behavior is in all societies but the problem with the amish is much like the fundalmental muslims. they are captured by their families or tribes. they have no place to run, will be punished severely by their people and have no protection. this is the otrocity of the sin.
Amish Friend

AOL

#2 May 22, 2009
I know Harvey and his family extremely well and want you all to know that David E. Yoder is spreading untruths about his family and deserves to be punished for the horrendous allegations he has distributed to all of the neighbors of the Miller family. Not to mention, it was completely inappropriate for David to list the names, birthdates and addresses of the individuals that he is claiming was victims. Harvey has not been convicted in a court of law. Let our justice system do it's job and let's stop David E. Yoder from becoming a vigilante and ruining lives as he sees fit. What a shameful act. I am privy to rumors about him as well and it includes murder, he is no child advocate - he does this for his own pleasure.
Concerned wrote:
Paul Yoder posted flyers on mailboxes to neighbors to inform that Harvey has again molested boys. According to the flyer, he admitted to police that he molested these boys. When the police asked him how many children he molested he could only reply countless. too many to recall. i think he is one of the bishops of the church. he has been accused of molestation since 1990. what happens is these kids are too afraid to testify so most charges are dropped on the offenders. Paul Yoder is tryiing to stop this. see www.amishdeception.com . i live amoung the amish myself and have
'suspected" odd behavior among some. there are many amish that i personally feel raised and care for their families in the real amish way. but there are also those who dont. this behavior is in all societies but the problem with the amish is much like the fundalmental muslims. they are captured by their families or tribes. they have no place to run, will be punished severely by their people and have no protection. this is the otrocity of the sin.
Concerned

Centerburg, OH

#3 May 22, 2009
Amish Friend wrote:
I know Harvey and his family extremely well and want you all to know that David E. Yoder is spreading untruths about his family and deserves to be punished for the horrendous allegations he has distributed to all of the neighbors of the Miller family. Not to mention, it was completely inappropriate for David to list the names, birthdates and addresses of the individuals that he is claiming was victims. Harvey has not been convicted in a court of law. Let our justice system do it's job and let's stop David E. Yoder from becoming a vigilante and ruining lives as he sees fit. What a shameful act. I am privy to rumors about him as well and it includes murder, he is no child advocate - he does this for his own pleasure.
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I feel very bad for harvey as i also know him...i also know of an amish person who personally told me that harvey tried to molest him when he was young. many years ago. this is not something new and as much as we like harvey we need to protect the innocent. sorry to tell you this. may God forgive.
Amish Friend response

Greenville, OH

#4 Jun 13, 2009
It is past time for this to be addressed. I don't believe anyone should be punished unjustly, Amish or not. God is "no respecter of persons". He, by his own admission, is guilty. What's the argument????
Amish Friend response

Greenville, OH

#5 Jun 13, 2009
Amish Friend wrote:
I know Harvey and his family extremely well and want you all to know that David E. Yoder is spreading untruths about his family and deserves to be punished for the horrendous allegations he has distributed to all of the neighbors of the Miller family. Not to mention, it was completely inappropriate for David to list the names, birthdates and addresses of the individuals that he is claiming was victims. Harvey has not been convicted in a court of law. Let our justice system do it's job and let's stop David E. Yoder from becoming a vigilante and ruining lives as he sees fit. What a shameful act. I am privy to rumors about him as well and it includes murder, he is no child advocate - he does this for his own pleasure.
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How is what you are doing in your quote any different than what you think David Yoder is doing? "I am privy to rumors about him as well and it includes murder"??? So you're passing on information that you don't know to be true. And how do you know "he is no child advocate"? How can you judge his motives?? You may be right, but you may be wrong. If David Yoder is who you say he is, who you are must not be any better.
concerned

Lewis Center, OH

#6 Jun 16, 2009
Amish Friend response wrote:
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How is what you are doing in your quote any different than what you think David Yoder is doing? "I am privy to rumors about him as well and it includes murder"??? So you're passing on information that you don't know to be true. And how do you know "he is no child advocate"? How can you judge his motives?? You may be right, but you may be wrong. If David Yoder is who you say he is, who you are must not be any better.
i guess when i comes right down to it, we dont know the truth. these rumors could happen to any of us. so how does one defend himself from accusations like this. we have to put our faith in the system and pray that they will find the truth. i personally feel very bad for harvey, if its true, i feel bad, if its not i feel bad harvey had to go through this. so there is no happy ending for harvey...lets pray harvey is innocent and all is well.
Just the facts

AOL

#7 Nov 13, 2009
I know more about the Harvey Miller case than most people. Before I go further, maybe you should know a little about me. I have been in law enforcement for the past 17 years. I have investigated multiple types of crimes, both civil and criminal. I now know the Harvey Miller family and alleged victims very well. I investigated this case and questioned all involved in a non law enforcement capacity. I am not writing a book or trying to sell a currently published one. I will not use the names of the people involved in an attempt to protect the innocent and the possibility of the future guilty. I became involved with this case the night that an ex-Amish female extorted money from Harvey Miller at his home concerning the sexual allegations that had been posted on David's website and in his published book for quite sometime previous to that night. She also coerced Harvey into calling 911 to confess that he had raped someone. Until about 1 week after this call, Harvey didn't even know what the definition of rape was. He was told by the girl extorting money, that if you just touched someone, that is rape. Harvey took that to mean even something as simple as a hand shake. That is why Harvey thought that he did wrong and called 911. That call should have never happened. This may sound very strange to educated people, but I am sure that the ex-Amish reading this know what I am talking about due to the Amish lack of formal education and how the Amish are sheltered. An example is an Amish mother having a baby. The children in the house do not even know where the new baby came from. They just know that they have a new brother or sister. Sex is not spoken of. The Amish learn from the animals in the field. Again, Harvey called and confessed to something that he didn't do and had no clear knowledge of what it was.
David and others claim to have great knowledge of this Harvey Miller case. I am trying to figure out why there are so many, many discrepancies between the facts of the case and what David wrote. How many mouths did this information go through from the "victims" until it reached him and ultimately you? How much was added and changed before it got to him. I believe that David uses poor judgement on his quest to assist the victims, leaving a wake of his own Amish victims by not having all the correct facts. If he or anyone for that matter wants to be a good citizen and report any crime that you may have knowledge of, great, we welcome it. Then please leave the rest to the Police, Prosecutors, and Courts. That is their job to sort it out. The system may have a few flaws, but it is the best system in the world.
Are you aware that the Prosecutor contacted Harvey's Attorney and offered a lesser charge and recommended NO jail time if Harvey would plead guilty? Did you know that Harvey agreed to that deal to save his Amish community from any further embarrassment? Did you know that Harvey also took the deal to protect his family from testifying in an English court? All of you need to know that Harvey did not do all that was said in the charges. He did however do things that may have gotten him misdemeanor charges. He was given the 2 months by the judge in the county jail because he plead guilty. Not because he committed the actual crime stated in the indictment or the crime grossly accused by David Yoder in his fliers. I also have seen first-hand the transcript where the detectives on this case investigated an alleged rape or sexual abuse of a non-family member (I am not posting that individuals name) that David reported to officials. If there was remotely any truth to his accusations, Harvey would have been indicted and charged with those crimes as well.
Just the facts

AOL

#8 Nov 13, 2009
What punishment would you consider as correct in this case? Please let me know if you are using the true facts or what you stated happened as your guide for punishment. Keep in mind that the prosecutor that had ALL the facts on the case recommended NO jail time. It is not just Amish that gets a slap on the wrist. Crimes occur every minute of everyday by all cultures. That is just the way we humans are. Only Jesus was without crime and sin. As you know, Jesus was crucified on a cross for a crime that he did not do. Liars and misinformed people put him there. The rest of us commit crimes, no matter how small, crimes just the same. Court systems and prisons would not be able to hold all of us. Besides, David would be pretty lonely walking around the world all by himself while we sinners were locked away.

My comments to David:

You chose to take the English lifestyle after moving from Amish to English to Amish to English a couple of times. I feel that if you get off the train, don't walk on the tracks. If you wanted to change things in the Amish culture, you should have remained with your people, worked your way to Bishop or other dominating power, changed the rules, and protected the victims. You are now an outsider whether you like it or not and you will not institute change within the community from there. I have spoken to many Amish about you, David. The only nice thing that they have to say is that you are a liar and a trouble maker,(and not just about this case). That tells me a lot about you as a person because you know how the Amish culture refuses to hold grudges and talk bad about people. My mother always told me "You can go to Hell for lying just as well as you can for stealing" I believe that holds true. We are all just American people, Amish and English alike. We are all trying to make it through this short life here on earth and spend eternity in Heaven. May God help and forgive you for being wicked toward the people that you abandoned.

One final thing about the distasteful videos on Youtube about the Amish culture. Are you kidding me? Why would you dress up in costume with a wig and fake beard in order to explain Amish traditions? It would be abundantly more informative if you didn't attempt to make such a mockery of the Amish. You would get a lot further and be taken more serious if you stood there in front of the camera, English as you are, and explain things without demeaning the Amish. "The facts, ma'am, Just the facts". Not what you heard happened or what you think happened.

You only get a bad reputation when you continually refuse to let go of what you think and say after you are proven wrong. Just because you say something over, over, and over again does not make it so.

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