Amish farmer gets jail time in outhou...

Amish farmer gets jail time in outhouse dispute

There are 21 comments on the GoErie.com story from Mar 18, 2009, titled Amish farmer gets jail time in outhouse dispute. In it, GoErie.com reports that:

A western Pennsylvania Amish farmer was sentenced Tuesday to 90 days in jail after refusing to bring a pair of outhouses into compliance with state sewage laws.

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lakerman1

Edinboro, PA

#1 Mar 18, 2009
This might be an interesting U.S. supreme ocurt case, should it get that far. Remember that the federal government went after the amish back in the 1950s, and tried to get them to pay into the social security system. In the end, the courts sided with the amish. I believe there have also been court cases on the issue of immunizations for amish children. And there is a religious exception for that.
In germany, there used to be transport vehicles called 'honey wagons' that carried the contents of toilets to the fields for fertilizer. I'm not sure it is still being done, but it was being done 50 years ago.
I like these clashes between government authority and religious freedom, though. Always interesting.

Since: Aug 08

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#2 Mar 18, 2009
lakerman1 wrote:
I like these clashes between government authority and religious freedom, though. Always interesting.
What does protecting the environment and public health from improperly designed outhouses have to do with religious freedom? Are you arguing that ANYTHING a religious person wants to do is OK just because he is religious?
Dark Boon

United States

#3 Mar 18, 2009
send that waste to washington...
lakerman1

Edinboro, PA

#4 Mar 18, 2009
science rules, you really have to pay better attention here! I said nothing of the sort.
What I said was that when there is a clash between religious beliefs and government rules, the situation becomes interesting. The U.S. constitution guarantees religious freedom. Yet there are court cases about the extent of religious freedom, often testing the limits of that freedom. Sects that are known as snake handlers, amish and immunizations, mormons and polygamy. All of these conflicts are interesting, and make one think.
Your reaction to my post, science person, was that of a C student who gets a C, and cannot understand why he got the C, because he is a C student.

Since: Mar 09

United States

#5 Mar 18, 2009
lakerman1 wrote:
science rules, you really have to pay better attention here! I said nothing of the sort.
What I said was that when there is a clash between religious beliefs and government rules, the situation becomes interesting. The U.S. constitution guarantees religious freedom. Yet there are court cases about the extent of religious freedom, often testing the limits of that freedom. Sects that are known as snake handlers, amish and immunizations, mormons and polygamy. All of these conflicts are interesting, and make one think.
Your reaction to my post, science person, was that of a C student who gets a C, and cannot understand why he got the C, because he is a C student.
It made since to me. for the Amish this is their way of life and has been. interesting to say the least. and will probably make it to the supreme court.

Since: Aug 08

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#6 Mar 18, 2009
lakerman1 wrote:
science rules, you really have to pay better attention here! I said nothing of the sort.
What I said was that when there is a clash between religious beliefs and government rules, the situation becomes interesting. The U.S. constitution guarantees religious freedom. Yet there are court cases about the extent of religious freedom, often testing the limits of that freedom. Sects that are known as snake handlers, amish and immunizations, mormons and polygamy. All of these conflicts are interesting, and make one think.
I agree that religious freedom challenges are interesting.

But, in your post you said, "I like these clashes between government authority and RELIGIOUS FREEDOM"

What does public health (outhouse regulations) have to do with religious freedom?

D or F at best for you.
JWilson

Canton, OH

#7 Mar 18, 2009
This is stupid. What is the big deal it's not about religion its public health, period.
Hey I'm going to start my own Amish community right here in Clev. Shut off my water and sewer, dig a well and have my wife the 30 kids and I take a dump in a bucket and spread it on the lawn.
I don't care what my neighbor thinks it my religious freedom to live like an animal.
Oh wait I take that back a cat has enough common sense to burry its feces. And lets go back to native Americans.
They had enough common sense to dig a hole away from camp and bury their chit.
This is just wasteful spending of tax dollars.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#9 Mar 18, 2009
Perhaps if someone would show the Amish farmers composting toilets it would turn out to be a win-win solution for the whole community.
mrkihn

Chambersburg, PA

#11 Mar 18, 2009
Dark Boon wrote:
send that waste to washington...
They're already full of waste there.
threadslinger

Erie, PA

#12 Mar 19, 2009
We live in a Amish communtiy. when we moved it 15 yrs ago we had to put in a $15,000 septic mound!
They checked where every drop of gray water ran to be in compliace. But the nieighbors soapy water runs right under my mail box and stinks like hell. But that's OK because they are AMISH. To me it is discrimination! I would like to poo in a shed to save 15K. And we had to take down the outhouse too! And make sure that their waste was properly removed.
Barb

Erie, PA

#14 Mar 19, 2009
I agree. Now, there's more to this amish thing!
You know we people who work for a living when we get our check all the withholdings are deducted from our check. These people get away with "NO" deduction. Because they are suppose to take care of them selves. Thats okay. But, what I don't like when many of them use our state programs. Meaning access card, food stamps, and all the other things including Shriners. Needless, to say get a horse and just about run it to death with the buggy. Yet, they'll use your telephone, ride in your car.
Few years ago, a person who hauled amish was to get commercial insurance.
That never became law. I know there was a accident a few years ago. One of them got injured. Yes, that person got a attorney and sued the person that hit them. This is all a skeem to get threw life, and spend least money as possible for them.
This religion is just a way around everything. It time they get-up dated.
Amish sind Scheisse

Akron, OH

#15 Mar 19, 2009
Is the poaching of wildlife and the overbreeding of dogs in the Amish's brutal puppy mills part of their "religion"?
Uncut

Canton, OH

#16 Mar 19, 2009
Amish sind Scheisse wrote:
Is the poaching of wildlife and the overbreeding of dogs in the Amish's brutal puppy mills part of their "religion"?
Without a doubt!
Did you know that every amish house has a couple graves out back? It's usually from one of the kids that didn't make it.
I also heard that some of the familys are looking for people to do some stud work for them to add some new genes to the pool. And if you are selected the girls father or husband watches off to the side to make sure no funny stuff happens.
A friend of mine used to drive them around when his job got slow and he said the younger women that are more rebellious are freaks.
Barb

Erie, PA

#17 Mar 19, 2009
Uncut wrote:
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Without a doubt!
Did you know that every amish house has a couple graves out back? It's usually from one of the kids that didn't make it.
I also heard that some of the familys are looking for people to do some stud work for them to add some new genes to the pool. And if you are selected the girls father or husband watches off to the side to make sure no funny stuff happens.
A friend of mine used to drive them around when his job got slow and he said the younger women that are more rebellious are freaks.
Read this. My friend has these parties and sells all this sexy stuff. The UPS truck brings her the orders. He said the amish are the biggest buyer from this company called "Fredreick's".
Uncut

Canton, OH

#18 Mar 20, 2009
Barb wrote:
<quoted text>Read this. My friend has these parties and sells all this sexy stuff. The UPS truck brings her the orders. He said the amish are the biggest buyer from this company called "Fredreick's".
Now is that just the nighties or the Prosthetic man junk to?
Barb

Erie, PA

#19 Mar 20, 2009
Uncut wrote:
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Now is that just the nighties or the Prosthetic man junk to?
All of the above!(Everything).
Back I suppose, 20 years there was one amish gal would come to my house put on my daughter jeans, top,and shoes go out on a Friday nite! She even cut her hair and got a prem. Not short. Say Ya!
Lawrence

Silver Spring, MD

#20 Mar 22, 2009
Is there some greenie out there who can give this man a third world low tech design for a composting sewage system that he might construct? Would this design pass muster? If he wishes to handle honey buckets let him, because it sure ain't roses.Could reason somehow prevail? It costs money to keep him in jail and its planting time.
Peter Griffin

Erie, PA

#21 Mar 22, 2009
I always thought the Amish never pooped !
hmmm

Meadville, PA

#22 Mar 22, 2009
okay, why is that the old time inground septic system isn't good enough anymore... now, no matter what, they push for mound systems, or small flow treatment facilities.. costing the average joe anywhere from 15-30K just to take a crap!

maybe the government should take a look at themselves for once... bet 3/4 of them still discharge into the old time inground septics... let them try to foot the bill to replace that system, and bet ya the laws would change. Oh.. I forgot... the state will pay for it for them....
Doris Albuquerque

Albuquerque, NM

#23 Mar 22, 2009
In this day and age, this is a good call. Throwing untreated human waste on fields is disgusting. I respect their right to practice their beliefs but most of them sell produce to others at roadside stands. Guess I won't be purchasing any Amish grown crops after reading this. The man deserves the fine and the jail time.

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