Can we leave atheism to non-believers? 'A million New Yorkers are good without God. Are you?'

Oct 29, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: China Daily

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Christians are usually anxious to have both sides of the religious-secular debate heard, as in science classes, where they want the argument for intelligent design to be taught. Well, here's their chance to hear both sides of the god debate, too. Being so open-minded on the subject of debate, you might think that they would be thrilled to see freethinkers expressing themselves.

But alas, no. I believe that this - posting billboards in the New York subway that say, "A million New Yorkers are good without God. Are you?" - is what is being called militant atheism http://snipurl.com/syh80 and atheism-on-the-march http://snipurl.com/syh8d

To object to this is to object to atheism and its free expression. Using military jargon like "march" and "militant" to describe peaceful activity is an effort to demonize it. Literally.

But good luck with that this time. Although not marching or behaving militantly, American atheists are growing in numbers as Christianity and religion in general wane. The tentacles of religion on public life in America are being severed one at a time.

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Oh my God, that town is really flat without any high rise buildings huh!

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
Christians are usually anxious to have both sides of the religious-secular debate heard, as in science classes, where they want the argument for intelligent design to be taught. Well, here's their chance to hear both sides of the god debate, too. Being so open-minded on the subject of debate, you might think that they would be thrilled to see freethinkers expressing themselves.
But alas, no. I believe that this - posting billboards in the New York subway that say, "A million New Yorkers are good without God. Are you?" - is what is being called militant atheism http://snipurl.com/syh80 and atheism-on-the-march http://snipurl.com/syh8d
To object to this is to object to atheism and its free expression. Using military jargon like "march" and "militant" to describe peaceful activity is an effort to demonize it. Literally.
But good luck with that this time. Although not marching or behaving militantly, American atheists are growing in numbers as Christianity and religion in general wane. The tentacles of religion on public life in America are being severed one at a time.
Mene mene tekel upharsin.
Yes, I'm not sure about everyone else ,but I see a fairly large undertaking in the religious establishment at large to re-align aspects of religion(christianity primarily,others to a lesser degree).You can run a search in google with the terms "ten commandments christian necessary?"

You might be surprised at what you come up with.

I also think the "new dialogue" that's trying to be broached with atheist's is a part of this.As you pointed out, believers are leaving the ranks of belief rapidly,hence 'Atheism 3.0" and all of the other urgings for atheist's to suddenly embrace a spiritual side of life.Claims by the "new, new atheist's" seeing value in religious type behavior in my mind are just attempts to somehow...make those who are looking at the reality of god worship out there to think "I don't believe in god and can still go to church with grandma!, it's a win, win".(what are the churches gonna do without a congregation?)

It reminds me of back when I really began to question the whole 'god concept" and explained it to myself as "all the gods really represent one god interpreted by different cultures",I hear that from people now and think.."you'll get it". As my awareness grew, I suddenly made the leap to my present"form".

I think people have a hard time grasping that you can live a life that is satisfying, rewarding, and has all of the hallmarks inwardly of a religion without having to practice a "religion".This is because religion at large has claimed ownership of many aspects of human life that are entirely human, and have nothing at all to do with religion.

Life and living it is a religion all to it's own and the best thing is it doesn't have to be exactly like yours, because...

It's my life.

To echo... Mene mene tekel upharsin.
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the funny part is that it doesn't matter how some atheists behave versus others

we aren't a group, and what one does or doesn't do has no bearing on other atheists

you don't have to join a group to be an atheist

it's like the word atheist is like the word feminist,

where many women who do demand and get respect, equal pay, make their own decisions yet they refuse to call themselves feminists

the reality is it doesn't matter what you call yourself, the main thing is that you are in charge of yourself
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Divine Alien wrote:
Oh my God, that town is really flat without any high rise buildings huh!
Everyone should know that DA thinks the attack on the World Trade Center can be used in Islamic humor.and his mother is swine.

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redneck wrote:
<quoted text> Everyone should know that DA thinks the attack on the World Trade Center can be used in Islamic humor.and his mother is swine.
Please know that I am a pure Christian. My humor has nothing to do with the muslim world.
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Divine Alien wrote:
<quoted text>Please know that I am a pure Christian. My humor has nothing to do with the muslim world.
This only confirms your assholiness...
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Divine Alien wrote:
<quoted text>Please know that I am a pure Christian. My humor has nothing to do with the muslim world.
As soon as you post something funny, I'll decide.

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Having grown up a military brat, related to some devout catholics, my atheism from a young age was never really discussed.
Religious people in general have felt fairly secure in their beliefs. They haven't had too much competition until recently.
The devouts recent attempts to label atheistic realisation as miltant will backfire. They are right to be afraid.

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redneck wrote:
<quoted text> This only confirms your assholiness...
Huh! You are a very holy atheist.

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The serpent was right wrote:
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As soon as you post something funny, I'll decide.
Oooooo...you like it funny, yeah.

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scaritual wrote:
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Yes, I'm not sure about everyone else ,but I see a fairly large undertaking in the religious establishment at large to re-align aspects of religion(christianity primarily,others to a lesser degree).
I have wondered why not just fix some of the worst holes? The whole population is becoming “better informed”, the age of hiding the origins are soon ending.
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It reminds me of back when I really began to question the whole 'god concept" and explained it to myself as "all the gods really represent one god interpreted by different cultures",I hear that from people now and think.."you'll get it". As my awareness grew, I suddenly made the leap to my present"form".…snip…
Indeed : why not argue that all searches for god (and religion) are in answer to (fill in the blank “real god”) the search for the true god. And that all religious expression is in honor of that “true god”.

This would make all religions “brethren” as they all worship the same deity.

One of the remarkable aspects of belief is; the more sure the believer, the more detailed the belief, and the more confident the believer is : that one must posses exactly his belief to worship the right god and glean some sort of reward!
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Divine Alien wrote:
<quoted text>Please know that I am a pure Christian. My humor has nothing to do with the muslim world.
Using pure christian is an oxymoron.
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karl44 wrote:
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I have wondered why not just fix some of the worst holes? The whole population is becoming “better informed”, the age of hiding the origins are soon ending.
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Indeed : why not argue that all searches for god (and religion) are in answer to (fill in the blank “real god”) the search for the true god. And that all religious expression is in honor of that “true god”.
This would make all religions “brethren” as they all worship the same deity.
One of the remarkable aspects of belief is; the more sure the believer, the more detailed the belief, and the more confident the believer is : that one must posses exactly his belief to worship the right god and glean some sort of reward!
You Are so right. Religion is based on fear. What a wasted life if you must always worry if you have offended some mythical being by questioning the dogma of his church. You have to believe in what was written 2,000 years ago as well as another book written 6,000 years ago with out any questions. Take evolution. 60% of the general population agree that humans have evolved. 97% of scientists believe humans have evolved. Only 56% of the public agree that the earth is getting warmer because of human activity. 84% of scientists agree that the earth is getting warmer because of human activity. 83% of the public believe in god. 33% of scientists believe in god. Stem cell research. Only 58% of the general public support it compared to 93% of scientists. Perhaps this is due to only 52% of the population know that stem cells can develop into many different types of cells. These are figures from a recent Pew/AAAS poll.

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karl44 wrote:
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... why not argue that all searches for god (and religion) are in answer to (fill in the blank “real god”) the search for the true god. And that all religious expression is in honor of that “true god”.
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because god is beside the point

it's about who's at the stop of the search and the proper rituals and code of behaviour that really matter

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Nov 6, 2009
 
Divine Alien wrote:
<quoted text>Please know that I am a pure Christian. My humor has nothing to do with the muslim world.
But you live in Muslim country....
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Nov 6, 2009
 
jack13 wrote:
<quoted text> Using pure christian is an oxymoron.
it makes sense when you pronouce christian

as it's original - bullsh*t

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