Weekly Poll: What is Your Position on Agnosticism & Atheism?

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When it comes to atheism, theism, and agnosticism, there are four general positions: agnostic atheism , strong atheism , agnostic theism , and strong theism .

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“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#61 Jun 3, 2012
Big Al wrote:
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I don’t invoke a magical deity explanation. I simply accept the possibility the universe came to exist by means of some type of (to us) incomprehensible creative force. I think that if you read Stephen Hawking with an open mind you will see that he also does not exclude that possibility.
"An even greater fallacy in thinking occurs when people simply rely on what they feel.…Emotion-based beliefs make us feel good; they are particularly difficult to challenge and change because changing them hurts." - Ronald E. Riggio, Ph.D., Professor of Organizational Psychology
Half an answer, and you seem to be purposefully vague.

What, exactly, do you mean by "creative force"?

Again, if by 'creative force' you means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a 'force'. But it makes no sense to hang some esoteric label on it.

If that's not what you mean, then please be specific.
Big Al

Abingdon, IL

#62 Jun 3, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Half an answer, and you seem to be purposefully vague.
What, exactly, do you mean by "creative force"?
Again, if by 'creative force' you means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a 'force'. But it makes no sense to hang some esoteric label on it.
If that's not what you mean, then please be specific.
I can’t be specific about something that I admit is beyond my comprehension.

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings." - Albert Einstein

“That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.”- Albert Einstein

That’s as close as I can come to being specific, and I do not claim to belive in such a god I only admit the the possibility of its existence.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#63 Jun 3, 2012
Big Al wrote:
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..."I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings." - Albert Einstein
“That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.”- Albert Einstein
That’s as close as I can come to being specific, and I do not claim to belive in such a god I only admit the the possibility of its existence.
"Spinoza's God" is the laws of nature, nothing more.

“The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this”~ Albert Einstein

“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.””~ Albert Einstein

“Nobody, certainly, will deny that the idea of the existence of an omnipotent, just, and omnibeneficent personal God is able to accord man solace, help, and guidance; also, by virtue of its simplicity it is accessible to the most undeveloped mind. But, on the other hand, there are decisive weaknesses attached to this idea in itself, which have been painfully felt since the beginning of history.””~ Albert Einstein

So, enough with the appeal to authority. Try using your own words.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#64 Jun 3, 2012
Big Al wrote:
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I can’t be specific about something that I admit is beyond my comprehension....
So you claim to believe in something, but you have no idea what it is you believe in. I'll let that go for now.

Do you then think the entire universe was "created" for humans or are we just a natural occurance?
Big Al

Abingdon, IL

#65 Jun 3, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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So you claim to believe in something, but you have no idea what it is you believe in. I'll let that go for now.
Do you then think the entire universe was "created" for humans or are we just a natural occurance?
You should read more carefully.

“That’s as close as I can come to being specific, and I do not claim to belive in such a god I only admit the the possibility of its existence.” Post # 62

You don’t seem to be able to conceive of a “God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists”. You seem to want me to give you a description of some kind of anthropomorphic god like a religious nut would. I don’t think that type of god is a possibility.

“What separates me from most so-called atheists is a feeling of utter humility toward the unattainable secrets of the harmony of the cosmos.”- Albert Einstein

"A human being is a part of the whole, called by us 'Universe', a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest — a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. The striving to free oneself from this delusion is the one issue of true religion.”- Albert Einstein

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#66 Jun 4, 2012
The actual quote is --

"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'universe,' a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separate from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." ~ Albert Einstein
Big Al

Abingdon, IL

#67 Jun 5, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
The actual quote is --
"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'universe,' a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separate from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." ~ Albert Einstein
What's your point?

Since: Jun 07

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#68 Jun 5, 2012
Big Al wrote:
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I can’t be specific about something that I admit is beyond my comprehension.
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings." - Albert Einstein
“That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.”- Albert Einstein
That’s as close as I can come to being specific, and I do not claim to belive in such a god I only admit the the possibility of its existence.
If It's beyond your comprehension, how can you comprehend it? How do you know that it's really there?

Have you talked to a doctor to check, or are you content with believing in your imagination?

Is it because it's more "fun" to have your magical beliefs left unverified?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#69 Jun 5, 2012
"About God, I cannot accept any concept based on the authority of the Church... As long as I can remember. I have resented mass indoctrination. I cannot prove to you there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him, I would be a liar. I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws" (1954).[55]

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
-- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

Einstein was an atheist. These quotes need to be metaphorically burned into theists brains before they utter his name in defence of their lies again.

It's shameless.

None of these Einstein quoting pr*cks look at the year of the quote, or consider the climate at the time.
Big Al

Abingdon, IL

#70 Jun 6, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
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If It's beyond your comprehension, how can you comprehend it? How do you know that it's really there?
Have you talked to a doctor to check, or are you content with believing in your imagination?
Is it because it's more "fun" to have your magical beliefs left unverified?
I’m an agnostic and I don’t pretend to know or believe. You don’t seem to be able to understand that.

What is it about the prase "accept the possibility of" that you don't understand?
Big Al

Abingdon, IL

#71 Jun 6, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
"About God, I cannot accept any concept based on the authority of the Church... As long as I can remember. I have resented mass indoctrination. I cannot prove to you there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him, I would be a liar. I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws" (1954).[55]
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
-- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press
Einstein was an atheist. These quotes need to be metaphorically burned into theists brains before they utter his name in defence of their lies again.
It's shameless.
None of these Einstein quoting pr*cks look at the year of the quote, or consider the climate at the time.
What is it about the term “personal God” that you don’t understand. What is it about the sentence “You may call me agnostic…” that you don’t understand? Einstein never once referred to himself as an atheist and on several occasions rejected the label.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic.”- Albert Einstein, In a 1950 letter to M. Berkowitz

"The fanatical atheists, are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against traditional religion as the 'opium of the masses'—cannot hear the music of the spheres." - Albert Einstein, as quoted by Walter Isaacson in "Einstein and Faith”, Time Magazine

"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views." – Albert Einstein, as quoted by Ronald W Clark, Einstein: The Life and Times (1971)

“He [Einstein] rejected other labels like ‘atheist’ and ‘pantheist’.”- Nancy Frankenberry, The Faith of Scientists: In Their Own Words, Princeton University Press (2009)
redneck

Cave Junction, OR

#72 Jun 6, 2012
yon wrote:
From a hedonist perspective it probably doesn't matter if it were man with beast.
You like Jesus so you vote Democratic. Right?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#73 Jun 6, 2012
Big Al wrote:
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I’m an agnostic and I don’t pretend to know or believe. You don’t seem to be able to understand that.
What is it about the prase "accept the possibility of" that you don't understand?
Oh I "accept the possibility" just fine. I just also acknowledge the extreme improbability to be such that it is really absurd to spend my time considering it as a viable possibility.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#74 Jun 12, 2012
nina wrote:
artifact

Can't spell todady
Lol!

Todady?

Sorry. Couldn't resist.:)

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