Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 20 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#421109 Feb 9, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
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Yeh LOL ROFL you are hoot.
The ones jumping Robert F are the Roman Catholics but facts never have gotten in your way have they. LOL ROFL
but just in case facts do mean something to you remeber a few years back when Brazil was to be half Evangelical by 2030 that was a little out of wack
Half of Brazil's Population to be Evangelical Christian by 2020
Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/half-of-bra...
from In 2010, Epoca, a well-read news magazine in Brazil, released figures from studies on evangelical growth. Those interviewed included theologians and anthropologists, who unanimously agreed that evangelicals were increasingly influencing all spheres of Brazilian life concluding that the evangelical presence has contributed to the decline in alcoholism, increase in school enrollment, and reduction in the number of broken homes.
Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/half-of-bra...
BTW Do you even know what temporal means when you use it and well spiritual I do my best to walk in the HOLY Spirit that's what being Spiritual means in the Bible you know the inerrant world of God.
So don't worry about the Evangelicals our Comforter has been sent he dwells in us and we are not with out a Shepard unlike RC's who worship Idols bow before graven images and pray to them and bow before men kissing their ring finger. No we are lead by a true Shepard who does not distort the Word of God.
Truth Truth Truth and more Truth got love it the Lord that is.
concerned

I am very glad for Brasil and its learning. I hope they don't go the way of Europe and the U.S., and become more socialist/populist/facist....

Well it is kind of hard for the RCC to compete with worldly endeavors. New technologies, new theories, more money..., all worldly endeavors. I do see it has a great struggle ahead. But I am more concerned about today, and the here and now.

I was wondering, what effect China has on Brasil now. With their expansion/control seeking resources has their "way" crept into the society yet....Of course here in the U.S., it is so obvious to the older generation....? Are their signs?

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#421110 Feb 9, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
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According to the OT if you are to practice Judaism you would have to have a temple and have to have animal sacrifices as did the disciples as Did Jesus till he fulfilled the OT the old covenant.
So no Judaism does not exist anymore not because of my logic it does not Exist anymore Because Jesus said it is Finished, does the Seed of Abraham continue on yes as Paul delineates in the NT but we are no longer under the law or Old testament LAW, not one bit of the OT law applies for us today its time has expired we are under NT a New covenant instituted by the Christ Jesus God incarnate.
lets see if you bite this one
Truth Matters
concerned old friend

Hmmmm. So you are saying that God breaks the Old Covenants with man, in order to fulfill the FINISHED one in Christ?

So that means his promise to not flood the earth again is null and void as with Noah?

So that means the remnant of the Jews in the N.T., are not really Jews?

The meaning of "It is finished." exceeds the covenants but does not nullify them. It is finished refers to not just the Mosaic Law, but even back to Adam. Christ's sacrifice makes peace between God and man possible back to original sin, as justice has been served upon Jesus, the God/Man, fully God/fully Man....

So what about the time between the death/resurrection of Jesus and the destruction of the Temple..., since it still had animal sacrifice, these Jews were not Jews performing in accoradance of the laws of Moses?

I bit....
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#421111 Feb 9, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I dont have a problem with Paul being Baptised. All of us should be baptised after we accept Jesus as our Lord, as Paul did on that road to Damascus.
the bottom line is that I refuse to allow people to lie about what Jesus said or didnt say and He never told Ananias to Baptise Paul, which is why you couldnt prove it.
No one lied about anything. Jesus told Ananias to go to where St. Paul was. Jesus told St. Paul he would be told what to do. Ananias told St. PAul to rise and be baptized and wash away your sins.

The only possible reason for you to make your silly argument about Ananias not being told to baptize St. Paul is because Ananias added the words "wash away your sins". You are stuck. You have only two choices, accept the Catholic teaching that baptism washes away sin, or make up some absurd story that Ananias didn't know what he was doing.

Like the embryo thing, you just make it up as you go along, and you do it because you can't bring yourself to accept that the Catholic Church is right.

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#421112 Feb 9, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Of course you want to point out the error, even when it doesn't exist.
Isaiah 7:9
"If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all."
- as the old prophet spoke of your "God".
One can "stand firm in their belief" of "God" [aka Jesus in some eyes], but also one must stay firm in that faith of the belief.
Move past the words, and understand their meanings.
NASL

Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of faith is to see what you believe..(St. Augustine)

There is a difference between faith and belief. Error creeps in when one has faith in their beliefs. This is where one must be cautious.

Beliefs are based on experience and knowledge. Now knowledge may or may not be correct. And experience may be real or not real....

So for instance, a born-again Christian, that bases their faith in the experience(belief) of being born again, often finds in time that as the experience fades, so does that faith in being born-again.

Likewise, in Gnosticism, having the knowledge of enlightenment in time fades, and so enlightenment fades....

Rather it is better to have faith in God, and Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, then seek knowledge and experience which yields belief....
truth

Perth, Australia

#421113 Feb 9, 2013

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#421114 Feb 9, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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I HAVE REFUSED TO ARGUE DOCTRINE WITH YOU CONSTANTIANS..
I SEE NOT REASON TO DISCUSS YOUR CONSTANTIN-ISM
DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT HAS NO REASON FOR IT'S EXISTENCE IN THE SCRIPTURE...
I REJECT THE WHOLE FACADE...
confrint....

lol. Then why do you keep writing about your new word, Constantin-ism? lol

Just go away happy you invented a new word you can use, all the other invective words you use have been overused, I guess....

Oooops. I forgot, you hate Catholics to much to let them get away from you....Sounds very much like radical Muslims wanting to destroy....

Your rationalization that you are here to present the "truth"., and convert some, is the facade..., the face of hypocrisy....
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#421115 Feb 9, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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concerned
I am very glad for Brasil and its learning. I hope they don't go the way of Europe and the U.S., and become more socialist/populist/facist....
Well it is kind of hard for the RCC to compete with worldly endeavors. New technologies, new theories, more money..., all worldly endeavors. I do see it has a great struggle ahead. But I am more concerned about today, and the here and now.
I was wondering, what effect China has on Brasil now. With their expansion/control seeking resources has their "way" crept into the society yet....Of course here in the U.S., it is so obvious to the older generation....? Are their signs?
Evangelicals in Brazil use such things as fight nights, tatto parlors, video games, bands etc to attract young people. There is no solidified movement. Pentecostals do well as young people want to choose their own religion they say. What will happen is they will splinter and divide and choose alacarte what they wish to believe. They will become more confused and lose there faith all together. What is not mentioned is how many those who went to this movement have also fallen away. Megachurches will rise and fall to the tune of the pastor that fills their itching ears or provides them with social hour rather than a united message or sincere worship.

Have you ever read about or seen documentaries of the Jesus Movement? Movements rise and fall the church will remain. A bunch of competing sects to see who can outdo the other for fun and games rather than a focus on Christ. Catholic evangelicals can move to promote more social engagements, but not at the expense of the mass and greater learning. Movements often rise quickly and then people either fall away completely or they return and seek to study more. The propoganda literature will be abundant, those weak in their knowledge of the Church will learn to hate and slander and obedience or seeking out the truth will be set aside for personal choices of what they feel is good.

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#421116 Feb 9, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Robert, I am posting these links in the hope that you will read them carefully for your edification.
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a87.htm Apostolic Succession
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a31.htm The Ministerial Priesthood
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a80.htm The Church always had Monarchal Bishops
Dust Storm
Peace

Very good, but lengthy articles.

Some people look at a more hard-lined factual, literal, historical evidence of the Apostolic Succession. I find it useful, but sometimes one must see it in spiritual reality as well. Thus it is better to state the spiritual reasons as opinions, rather than declarations....
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#421117 Feb 9, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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No one lied about anything. Jesus told Ananias to go to where St. Paul was. Jesus told St. Paul he would be told what to do. Ananias told St. PAul to rise and be baptized and wash away your sins.
The only possible reason for you to make your silly argument about Ananias not being told to baptize St. Paul is because Ananias added the words "wash away your sins". You are stuck. You have only two choices, accept the Catholic teaching that baptism washes away sin, or make up some absurd story that Ananias didn't know what he was doing.
Like the embryo thing, you just make it up as you go along, and you do it because you can't bring yourself to accept that the Catholic Church is right.
One does have to wonder how many other parts of the bible are wrong and stupid and clueless people like Ananius just said stuff, but embryo theories and Jesus probably didnt have an umbilichal chord and Mary was dumb and a horrid mother is in the bible. Joseph was a rotten Dad too it would seem as well. God truly made a mistake by not choosing Prestos Mom.

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#421118 Feb 9, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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Oxbow
Try as I must. I still will be the fool for Christ....
But since you couldn't answer the question, I must assume it is beyond your ability. So we have no means of communicating ideas, concepts, and left to only literal words. That strangles any spiritually meaningful conversation....
Hello. Good-bye.
On this thread, the only positive thing you have said is "Hello. Good-bye."

Glad to see you took my advice...
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#421119 Feb 9, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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Dust Storm
Peace
Very good, but lengthy articles.
Some people look at a more hard-lined factual, literal, historical evidence of the Apostolic Succession. I find it useful, but sometimes one must see it in spiritual reality as well. Thus it is better to state the spiritual reasons as opinions, rather than declarations....
The articles/debate do demonstrate as do these threads the common misconceptions of Protestants who do not understand Catholic teachings but rather view it through the lens of that which they believe it is and therefore propogate myths. PAD said the Orthodox do not believe in Apostolic Succession. That is most certainly not true. However all three articles go the point of that there has always been a hierarchy and the ministerial priesthood is a spiritual, historical and biblical reality.
Catholic Girl

Linthicum Heights, MD

#421120 Feb 9, 2013
Good Day everyone,
Extremely windy here today. Having good day so far. Keep up the good stuff, you guys are do deep for me.
later.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#421122 Feb 9, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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One does have to wonder how many other parts of the bible are wrong and stupid and clueless people like Ananius just said stuff, but embryo theories and Jesus probably didnt have an umbilichal chord and Mary was dumb and a horrid mother is in the bible. Joseph was a rotten Dad too it would seem as well. God truly made a mistake by not choosing Prestos Mom.
There must a certain mindset in protestantism where the absurdities coming from preston are considered just another opinion and so the reaction is complete indifferance. If I'm an evangelical and the preacher says something so crazy, I just move on down the road to another community until the next one says something I don't like.

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#421123 Feb 9, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>I really wonder why Catholics are so sure that their organization is the only one?Protestants may be in serious decline,but the church that is immersed in the Spirit still lives and the TESTIMONY is alive and well.
The whole Body of Christ is suffering from the assault daily of being in this W O R L D.God did not give to the church a new fresh look at the world,but a focus of what He wants for the Church in regards to Christ.
The World never ceases to disvalue the role of the Church in relationship to the souls of men and women in need of Salvation.All need to be saved,and only JESUS can complete Himself through His people."Many are called,few are chosen."It is not God's plan to only use one facet of the Church,but to proclaim liberty to captives by means of the whole Body.
If each segment of the Church begins to fall short,it is not because they have a fraction of truth,but because they have allowed their eyes to focus on this World rather than the Master.It is not a matter of what we joined,but Whom we joined into.The Lord Jesus gives the Roll Call,and if we respond,than we are chosen to continue to make a difference in this present World.
I find partiality to church preference ill-sought when people look to that preference rather than to the Master Himself.We can exalt our church all we want,but it takes Faith to live out what JESUS said"He who does the Will of My Father is my brother,sister and mother."
I respect your walk with Christ regardless of your affiliation.It makes no difference to me that you attend a RCCh,but it does make a difference to God if you are listening to His Son.
Protestantism fails for one reason only,not because someone says it is Babel,but rather that it takes its eyes off of the GOAL who is JESUS.
ARE we to think that eventually our church affiliation will make us savvy to the Kingdom of God? If so,than we miss the opportunity to hear His voice rather than to seek to find out the kingdom of God in our church organization. The Church is the bride of Christ,not the Kingdom of God our Father.
It is the Spiritual Manna from Heaven that will keep us going ,not our interpretation of what Communion is or is not.Baptism is for those who repent of their sins and follow Christ,can a n infant rightly make that decision? Of course not.We are not to seek initiation,but to understand that In Christ we have our being and are s a v e d,baptism spiritually brings us to acknowledge His Burial.
But who can argue these points? You believe that your church which teaches us those things we ultimately reject like infant baptism,is the only true church.Our response to the Word of God is to:believe,repent and be baptized.So much more to face as mature people the truth:To make that decision!
Pad good friend

I don't think Protestantism fails because it is Babel..., it is because it does not grow. It stays on the basics, and argues what the basics are....The Bible can inform us to a sort of endless calling through which God can call people. And this is a good thing.

But: Then the teachers take over, and here is where the endless arguments begin.
So instead there is a competition for recruiting souls(numbers), to keep a particular denomination going. And then comes in the world, which breaks down the basic calling in the first place....

Thus there is no building up of Christianity in Protesting.

The RCC has a hierarchy, this helps build, it is a structure onto which one can build Christianity, strengthen it in the world, to help overcome the world. Its weakness is that it is using "antiquated" methods in the modern world, and so does not keep up with the world. But this is also its strength. As the world goes rushing by, one need but glance in and see the antiquity, and be connected through the ages to the beginning....

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#421124 Feb 9, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>The Communion of Saints is basically an ambigious term as according to the RCC the only saint is one who is canonized by the Papacy,which includes the Cardinals and dthe Pope.It would be ridiculous to spend anytime trying to convince you that many precious believers who are not Roman Catholic are indeed s a i n t s.I have met some over the years,and they will never be made a Saint by your church,by virtue of their not being Roman Catholic.
Holiness is not limited to being a priest,nun,brother and deacon.Holiness is not limited to martyrdom either although that is definitely a good reason to call those who were martyred:S A I N T S.
Non-RC Christians do not seek to have the title saint in front of their name,but would rather hear the Lord say"Enter into my abode,you faithful servant."But we know that God calls us what He will,if He chooses to call us saints than so be it. Of course the RCC and the Orthodox traditions naturally have their whole retinue of saints.Personally I cannot argue over who of them is truly a saint and whatever.BUT it is so obvious that most of them are either priests,nuns,brothers or deacons.
I have not seen in the Scriptures the RC saints canonized,nor do I see the Apostle's ever alluding to the forming of saints as your church claims it has the ability to do.It does not matter who you canonize a saint,that person will face the same judgment before the King Jesus,as we all will be judged by Him.The Great Throne Judgment is for all those who are not believers in YESHUA.
No I do not condemn them to hell,I will not begin to comment on what happens to those who do not know Him our Lord.He is full of mercy and compassion,we all agree to that,HOW Wide is His Mercy?Only God can know that and respond to the claim of the Word on His behalf.
Nevertheless,Christ did not die in Vain,and we are called to preach the gospel to a l l Nations,baptizing them in the Name of the Father,Son and Holy Spirit! The Communion of saints simply to us means,all believers in the communion of His body and blood,a spiritual body!
Pad

All of what you wrote up until your last sentence is a misunderstanding, and the old strawman fallacy.

Catholics actually begin with you last sentence, "The Communion of saints simply to us means,all believers in the communion of His body and blood,a spiritual body."

Now this is where the RCC begins, but it goes deeper. The saints are those suffering, militant, and triumphant..., even those who are yet to be born.... And because saints are united, as the Church, and Bride, they are part of a living body, though not all visible. Yet we see the visible part of the Church here and now, but are connected to those after death, and before being born....So you see, Protestants have just a very limited sense of what it is to be in communion with the saints. It is restricted, and in a sense exclusive. Roman Catholics are united even beyond the grave, and to those who will come....truly universal.

And this is why the RCC will be the Bride, it is united already.

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#421125 Feb 9, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>The Intercession of Mary to enable and give a greater love of her Son.I have no fault with that,but I do believe that the realm of prayer beyond the grave is to God alone,why?Because He simply tells us to sekk Him,in a closet as it were,and He will reward you openly.The praying to God by any man or woman is astounding enough for the human mind let alone pray to another human being.Is not the whole issue of the Bible and faith in God the most important direction one must make to find the Living God?
When we seek HIM above all else,that takes all of our attention,to ONE we cannot SEE with our eyes.It is important that we realize that God the Father,the Son and the Holy Spirit is our Focus.All else can be a distraction.
I of course believe that if Mary came to me personally,she would exalt her Son in a way far greater than I could ever do now,because she has the advantage of raising Him from infancy to manhood,and she witnessed His death.
However father Dye,I do not believe for one minute that Mary would come to me and tell me to make an image of her,and venerate her through that image,or to use the image to bless my house or protect it.I would never believe that she would want me to build a huge edifice that is named for her,and that great devotions,litanies and prayers should be said to her in appeasement for sin,or for her to approach her Son,as though He is more approachable only through her.
There is a big difference brother, between Mary sharing the beauty of her son to us,and or requiring our obedience to make images of her,say rosaries,and build fantastic cathedrals in her name.Apparitions of Mary all require those who saw them to say litanies to her Pure heart,her immaculate conception,and to recite rosaries which the majority of the prayers are to her.The Apparitions all required those who saw them to make images or statues of her,and to build large edifices in her name,to exalt and bring a glory to her person.I can read,and many of those who have read the same and are not RC see the same things I did.We reject the Apparitions,not because Mary might have a word from her Son to us all,but that she requires obesiance to her,which is not Judeo-Christianity.
The Mary of the Bible is not one who would go against the Jewish laws of true worship to God alone,that which includes latria worship and veneration to her person,in order to appease for sin,or make shorter time in Purgatory,and or approach Jesus as though He is better approachable through her.
Pad

It is a question of balance....There are many non-Christians in the world. There are some who call themselves Christian, that are not. They hold no honor towards motherhood, including Jesus' mother. They break the commandment, continuously, infinitely....They hurt of humanity of Jesus Christ.

God must be Just. And so some are called to bring back into balance. Thus the RCC has been called, and joyfully carry this Cross with Jesus.

Are there RCs that do not understand, and the line gets blurred between worshipping God, and Mary? Of course. But there are certain things the RCC accepts and promotes. To go beyond these some are called. But worship..., of course not.

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#421126 Feb 9, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Evangelicals in Brazil use such things as fight nights, tatto parlors, video games, bands etc to attract young people. There is no solidified movement. Pentecostals do well as young people want to choose their own religion they say. What will happen is they will splinter and divide and choose alacarte what they wish to believe. They will become more confused and lose there faith all together. What is not mentioned is how many those who went to this movement have also fallen away. Megachurches will rise and fall to the tune of the pastor that fills their itching ears or provides them with social hour rather than a united message or sincere worship.
Have you ever read about or seen documentaries of the Jesus Movement? Movements rise and fall the church will remain. A bunch of competing sects to see who can outdo the other for fun and games rather than a focus on Christ. Catholic evangelicals can move to promote more social engagements, but not at the expense of the mass and greater learning. Movements often rise quickly and then people either fall away completely or they return and seek to study more. The propoganda literature will be abundant, those weak in their knowledge of the Church will learn to hate and slander and obedience or seeking out the truth will be set aside for personal choices of what they feel is good.
Dust Storm
Peace

I pretty much agree with you here.

Most of this has happened in my lifetime, to some degree.

Those that seek will find....
Fun Facts

Freeland, MI

#421127 Feb 9, 2013
Pad wrote:
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"...I do not believe for one minute that Mary would come to me and tell me to make an image of her,and venerate her through that image,or to use the image to bless my house or protect it.I would never believe that she would want me to build a huge edifice that is named for her,and that great devotions,litanies and prayers should be said to her in appeasement for sin,or for her to approach her Son,as though He is more approachable only through her.
There is a big difference brother, between Mary sharing the beauty of her son to us,and or requiring our obedience to make images of her,say rosaries,and build fantastic cathedrals in her name..."
To my knowledge the only object the Blessed Virgin Mary has asked for is the 'Miraculous Medal'...
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10115a.htm
http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Mirac...

And I wear one...I can use all the Graces I can get :)

Secondly...the Chapels that are in Mary's honor ...Worship God through the Mass and Eucharist...
http://www.therealpresence.org/index.html
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-sacrifice-...
Questions?
http://avemariaradio.net/catholic-online-radi...
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#421128 Feb 9, 2013
truth wrote:
Why you call Mediator?
Whats deference between Mediator and Creator?
God is the creator. Sin separates us from our just God. In the O.T. there had to be a High Priest between sin and God. Christians are 'priests', yet we have to have a High Priest (Jesus) or a mediator between us and God. When we are "in Christ" his blood washes us clean of our sins.

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#421129 Feb 9, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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There must a certain mindset in protestantism where the absurdities coming from preston are considered just another opinion and so the reaction is complete indifferance. If I'm an evangelical and the preacher says something so crazy, I just move on down the road to another community until the next one says something I don't like.
lets look at some catholic facts before you and dusty start to judge me,ok?

Dust Storm wrote:
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One does have to wonder how many other parts of the bible are wrong and stupid and clueless people like Ananius just said stuff, but embryo theories and Jesus probably didnt have an umbilichal chord and Mary was dumb and a horrid mother is in the bible

[[Joseph was a rotten Dad too]]] it would seem as

according to cc and other catholics, Jospeh was a old dottering man on his last legs.

according to catholics, joseph was not his dad, just a caretaker for mary.

those are just two fallacies that you catholics teach.

while conerning the embryo factor, I use my medical knowledge. and all you catholic do is mock since you can provide no defense against my words.you prefer to believe that Jesus is half man/half god.since you believe that God fertilized her eggand I provided proof of two distinct hybryds being produced and that is what we are talking about. a woman and a Spirit.

I dont expect it to make sense to a catholic. look at your intelligence, if you were smart, you wouldnt be a catholic.your piece of grain is a good indicator of your lack of intelligence and the ability to think for yourself.

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