Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 658727 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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guest

United States

#407198 Dec 5, 2012
The cult leaders word, or teachings of the cult become absolute truth over shadowing the Word of God. In fact, ALL cult leaders declare their traditions are above the Bible. They must do this because the Bible exposes them. They need to make the Bible appear fallible so as to ingrain the thought process that makes man’s word appear superior to God’s Word. What does the Vatican say about their tradition?
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"The Pope has power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ. The Pope has authority and has often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." - Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap.

"...the church is above the Bible, and the transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact" Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1,1923.

"The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the Church had changed...the Sabbath into Sunday, not by command of Christ, but by its own authority." Canon and Tradition, p. 263

(82) As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, "DOES NOT derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. BOTH SCRIPTURE AND TRADITION MUST BE ACCEPTED AND HONORED WITH EQUAL SENTIMENTS OF DEVOTION AND REVERENCE. Catechism of Catholic Doctrine Page 31

"The Scriptures indeed is a divine book but it is a dead letter, which has to be explained, and cannot exercise the action which the preacher can obtain." -Our Priesthood, p. 155

They also state that the Bible is a…

"...A dead and speechless book." -Roman Catholic booklet entitled “Question Box”, p. 67

"The doctrines of the Catholic Church are entirely independent of Holy Scripture." -Familiar Explanation of Catholic Doctrine, Rev. M. Muller, p.151.
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OUR BIBLE SAYS...

Mark 7:7, "Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
Isaiah 8:20, "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
guest

United States

#407199 Dec 5, 2012
Each cult uses force to coerce its members into submission. Most cults today will use high pressure tactics to get people to not only join them, they also resort to extreme measures to make them stay. They do this mainly because they know the loved ones of their converts would eventually reveal their hidden evil agenda to them causing them to leave the cult. Is there evidence to support the fact the Roman Catholic church tries to use force to convert people to Catholicism?
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"For teaching faith contrary to the teaching of the Church of Rome, history records the martyrdom of more than 100 million people ." Brief Bible Readings p. 16 Harvest Time books

"There was no village of the Vaudois valleys but had its martyrs. The Waldenses were burned; they were cast into damp and horrid dungeons; they were smothered in crowds in mountain caverns, mothers and babes, and old men and women together; they were sent out into exile in the winter night, unclothed and unfed, to climb the snowy mountains; they were hurled over the rocks; their houses and lands were taken from them; their children were stolen to be indoctrinated with the religion which they abhorred. Rapacious individuals were sent among them to strip them of their property, to persecute and exterminate them. Thousands of heretics" or Waldenses, "old men, women and children, were hung, quartered, broken upon the wheel, or burned alive and their property confiscated for the benefit of the king, and Holy See."-Thompson - The Papacy and the Civil Power

"The Catholic Church has persecuted ... when she thinks it is good to use physical force she will use it... Will the Catholic Church give bond that she will not persecute?... The Catholic Church gives no bonds for her *good behaviour*." -Western Watchman, Dec. 24, 1908 (emphasis added)

"On August 24, 1527, Roman Catholics in France, by prearranged plan, under Jesuit influence, murdered 70,000 Protestants within the space of two months. The Pope rejoiced when he heard the news of the successful outcome."-(Roman Catholic publication) The Western Watchman, Nov.21, 1912

Foxes book of Martyrs reports Rome killed over 500 MILLION Christians during their prophecied attack on Christ and His bride.
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The reason Rome killed these Christians is widely known. Even recently,(March 12, 2000) the Vatican admitted they did this to Christians thinking they were doing God’s will just as Jesus predicted they would think.

John 16:2-3, "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me."

They thought their forceful methods would bring many into the church. It’s true, they did bring people in, but those people were weak and fearful of Rome torturous acts and they denied Christ merely to save their lives. Sadly, Jesus said in Luke 17:33, "Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it." Many went to Christ-less graves simply because they chose to do as Rome demanded over what God commanded. However, there were many that will see a better resurrection because they trusted the Jesus of the Bible and exposed the Antichrist of Rome all the way to their graves.

continued:
guest

United States

#407200 Dec 5, 2012
continued from previous post:

And by the way, for those of you that think it’s impossible for Rome to kill 500 million Christians during its 1260 year prophecied reign. Which was from 538ad to 1798ad. Let’s do the math shall we? If they only killed HALF of the 70,000 as that article said they killed every two months, that would actually equate to, Rome killing only 210,000 Christians each year. Or, 2,100,000 every 10 years, or 210,000.000 every 100 years. But history proves, and Rome admitted, to killing for 1260 years. So, if we are gentle in our math and state Rome killed only 210,000 a year, even though they admitted to killing twice that already in writing. That would equate to them easily killing well over 2,520,000.000 innocent people over the course of 1260 years. And that’s not counting those they killed spiritually. So, the next time someone shows you historic evidence that Rome killed a mere 500 Million during their 1260 year first prophecied reign, it will seem a bit more easy to believe now won’t it?

OUR BIBLE SAYS...

Luke 3:14, "…Do violence to no man"
guest

United States

#407201 Dec 5, 2012
Each cult leader will teach a Jesus that is not found in the Scriptures. Like Jim Jones, or Charles Manson, their version of "Jesus" was light-years from the true Jesus of the Bible. Do we see a different Jesus in the Roman Catholic church as well? Do they really preach the Jesus of the Bible in Rome?
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Do they preach Jesus as Savior when their Popes -
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Do they preach Jesus as their High priest when the Roman priests are drunks, smokers, & Sodomite child rapists?
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Do they preach Jesus peaceful while killing 500 million Christians during the dark ages?
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Do they preach Jesus as infallible while placing tradition over and above His Word?
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Do they preach Jesus’ death as sufficient when they teach of Purgatory instead of Salvation in Jesus?
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Do they preach Jesus’ cross sufficient when teaching you must individually suffer to be saved?
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Do they preach Jesus’ cross sufficient when selling Indulgences to escape Hellfire?
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Do they preach Jesus as the only mediator to the Father while going to Priest for forgiveness?
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Do they preach Jesus as Creator when the Pope said in 1996 and 1998 "Evolution is fact" making Jesus the Creator a liar?
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Do they preach Jesus as a wise steward of finances when they teach gambling is acceptable Christ-like activity at their church Carnivals, Casino nights, and Bingo halls?
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Do they preach Jesus as truthful when the Pope praises and embraces Buddhism, Wicca, and Islam as acceptable faiths in the ecumenical movement?
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Do they preach Jesus merciful when they preach that "Fellow believers" stoned Stephan on Roman Catholic Television?
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Do they preach Jesus 100% capable of protecting you when the Pope drives a bullet proof pope-mobile?
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Do they preach Jesus as all embracing Saviour when the Pope preaches you MUST be loyal to him to be saved?
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Do they preach Jesus as worthy of worship when you must bow down to the Pope and kiss his ring?
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Do they preach Jesus’ Word as worthy while killing half a billion for reading His Word?
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Do they preach Jesus’ adult baptism as an example when they baptize babies?
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Do they preach Jesus worthy of hearing when they put His Bible on the "forbidden book" list in the Council of Valencia in1229ad
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Do they preach Jesus’ commandments are holy when they "venerate" crosses, statues, images, and relics. And remove the second Commandment from their Catechism books?
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Do they preach Jesus’ Law regarding idols as truth when they preach you must worship a wafer as God?
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Do they preach Jesus is the only way to be saved when they preach a "scapular" will save you from the fires of Hell instead of Jesus?
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Do they preach Jesus’ Word is the only Truth when they put books in the Bible that Jesus nor the Apostles ever quoted from, and most theologians have found to be uninspired and contradictory?
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Do they preach Jesus was the only one without sin when they say Mary was "utterly without sin" as well?
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Do they preach Jesus the only source of Truth by calling the Pope infallible and Jesus fallible?
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Do they preach Jesus God, when the Pope himself states to all the world that "He is god"?
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Do they preach Jesus will save you when the Pope proclaims that the "church" is a must for salvation?
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Do they preach Jesus as merciful and kind when they slowly torture hundreds of millions of His followers to death?
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Do they preach Jesus as tolerant and hopeful when they destroy entire countries for political gain?
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Do they preach Jesus as Lord of the Sabbath when they put it in writing that they abolish His Sabbath altogether and force others to comply?

OUR BIBLE SAYS...

1 John 4:3, "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
Isaiah 8:20, "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
guest

United States

#407202 Dec 5, 2012
A Cult will teach a Gospel of good works in place of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Again, like Jim Jones, Charles Manson, and even some of the more "gentle" cults of today. Their leaders always taught that you must work your way to Heaven. Jim Jones declared the Kool-Aid a work that will “set them free.” Charles Manson declared murder their good works. Of course, some cults will use works of murder and mayhem, while still there are others that use good works as their requirement. Does the Catholic church teach you can gain Heaven by what you do instead of what Jesus did?-
The doctrine and practice of indulgences in the Church are closely linked to the effects of the sacrament of Penance. What is an indulgence? "An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints." "An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the temporal punishment due to sin." Indulgences may be applied to the living or the dead. The Catechism of the Catholic church says:(Indulgences/good works) Item# 1471 Page 411

An indulgence is obtained through the Church who, by virtue of the power of binding and loosing granted her by Christ Jesus, intervenes in favor of individual Christians and opens for them the treasury of the merits of Christ and the saints to obtain from the Father of mercies the remission of the punishments due for their sins. Thus the Church does not want simply to come to the aid of these Christians, but also to spur them to works of devotion, penance, and charity. Ibid Item# 1478 Page 413

Since the faithful departed now being purified are also members of the same communion of saints, one way we can help them is to obtain indulgences for them, so that the temporal punishments due for their sins may be remitted. Ibid Item# 1479 Page 413

(NOTE: They do not mention Indulgences are received by BUYING THEM here.)
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OUR BIBLE SAYS...

Ephesians 2:9, "Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"
Romans 6:23, "... the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
guest

United States

#407203 Dec 5, 2012
Cults often urge their converts to leave their families. This is a common feature wherein the cult leaders force their converts away from families to prevent them from learning the truth about the cult they are now a member of. All too often some governments actually step in to break up such "communes" because of what has been happening lately. Their reasoning for doing this has to do with the mass suicides many of these cults are known for. I recall back in the 70’s how cults were the focus of many interventions. A family member or friend would be lured away by some cult member. Once there, they are brainwashed, and taught everyone outside the cult are evil and hell-bent on their destruction. So, friends or family, and often both would abduct the loved one back from the cult and bring them to a neutral location where they try to bring them back to reality. In these interventions they would attempt to re-educate, or un-wash their brains during a long series of conversations with loved ones. This was usually done by a cult specialist that would come in and show the affected loved one how the cult had twisted numerous Bible verses to get them to believe their lies over actual truth. It would usually take several days to even weeks in some cases to get the loved one to realize the truth.

Does the Roman Catholic church have a communal structure? Do they house some of their converts so as to keep them away from their family members? This is the easiest of all cultic evidences to expose. The Roman Catholic church is infamous for its Rectories, Convents, and Monasteries

Rectory:
Is a Place were only male priests live permanently away from their family.

Convent:
Is a Place were nuns permanently live away from their family. Cloistered nuns rarely see strangers, let alone family.

Monasteries
Is a place where monks are housed away from society as well as their families and oftentimes in complete silence.
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Romans 1:22-32 describes Roman Catholicism with uncanny accuracy!

It states... "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

continued:
guest

United States

#407204 Dec 5, 2012
continued from previous post:

Revelation 18:1-5, "And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities."
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Besides the largest and most dangerous cult. The Roman Catholic Church. There are other cults out there as we all well know. One in particular I would like to bring to your attention. It is attacking the SDA church from within its ranks as did the Roman Catholic church so long ago. They disguise themselves as Sabbath keeping Christians with a strange twist on the Scriptures. It is the Yahweh and Yeshua movement that I like to refer to as the YAHcult.
(p.s. I am not SDA)
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#407205 Dec 5, 2012
Robert F, I asked you very specific questions.
I asked you,
'How many of your sins did Jesus die for?"
You didn't answer.
I asked you,
How many did He take upon Himself and carry to the cross?
You didn't answer.
I asked you'
Was Jesus' payment enough?
You didn't answer.
I asked you,
Is there more to be paid?
You didn't answer.
I asked you,
Can we in any way add to the sacrificial payment that Jesus made?
You didn't answer.
And I asked you,
And what did Jesus mean when He stated that "IT IS FINISHED?"
And YOU DIDN"Y ANSWER.

If you want an honest dialog, please answer these questions.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#407206 Dec 5, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Dust Storm
Peace
Thank you....I think we all should practice what we preach, and begin with purging our old ways, learning, and unifying ourself with God in all our ways....
I am sure we all are guilty of not practicing what we preach unfortunetly.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#407207 Dec 5, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok LTM, I never ask for an apology. But I showed you official Catholic Teaching from the Vatican, in the Catechism. Its plain and simple what the Catholic Church teaches. They removed nothing from the ten commandment.
You fell victim to Guests cult pamphlet he posted.
The best thing for you is to confess you were wrong. If you don't, then you can't be forgiven for violating the 9th commandment!
The RCC shortened/omitted commandments changed the times and laws concerning them as well and you know it.
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#407208 Dec 5, 2012
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
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http://www.catholicbible101.com/thetencommand...
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and second the reason she's not my type - is I prefer the company of a man.
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Did I read this right? Are you telling us you are a homosexual?
Disciple

San Diego, CA

#407209 Dec 5, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Careful Preston, you can't dictate whether or not Dust Storm is a Christian. Or anyone else for that matter.
LOL.
Catholics don't like to be associated with Christians.
I know enough of them to know.
guest

United States

#407210 Dec 5, 2012
guest wrote:
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http://www.catholicbible101.com/thetencommand ...
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and second the reason she's not my type - is I prefer the company of a man.
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4GVN wrote:
Did I read this right? Are you telling us you are a homosexual?
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No. I am a female and prefer the company of a male. Were I to "covet my neighbors wife" .. being a female - only then would I be homosexual.
Disciple

San Diego, CA

#407211 Dec 5, 2012
Disciple wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL.
Catholics don't like to be associated with Christians.
I know enough of them to know.
And I mean the true Catholics, not the pretenders in this forum.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#407212 Dec 5, 2012
guest wrote:
Cults often urge their converts to leave their families. This is a common feature wherein the cult leaders force their converts away from families to prevent them from learning the truth about the cult they are now a member of. All too often some governments actually step in to break up such "communes" because of what has been happening lately. Their reasoning for doing this has to do with the mass suicides many of these cults are known for. I recall back in the 70’s how cults were the focus of many interventions. A family member or friend would be lured away by some cult member. Once there, they are brainwashed, and taught everyone outside the cult are evil and hell-bent on their destruction. So, friends or family, and often both would abduct the loved one back from the cult and bring them to a neutral location where they try to bring them back to reality. In these interventions they would attempt to re-educate, or un-wash their brains during a long series of conversations with loved ones. This was usually done by a cult specialist that would come in and show the affected loved one how the cult had twisted numerous Bible verses to get them to believe their lies over actual truth. It would usually take several days to even weeks in some cases to get the loved one to realize the truth.
Does the Roman Catholic church have a communal structure? Do they house some of their converts so as to keep them away from their family members? This is the easiest of all cultic evidences to expose. The Roman Catholic church is infamous for its Rectories, Convents, and Monasteries
Rectory:
Is a Place were only male priests live permanently away from their family.
Convent:
Is a Place were nuns permanently live away from their family. Cloistered nuns rarely see strangers, let alone family.
Monasteries
Is a place where monks are housed away from society as well as their families and oftentimes in complete silence.
-
Romans 1:22-32 describes Roman Catholicism with uncanny accuracy!
It states... "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
continued:
guest - it took a lot of time, effort, but above all, knowledge to post what you just did and I believe you are quite accurate. You hit home with me with just about every point you brought up and you are extremely sensible. I have never understood the teaching that we should all offer our sufferings to God - if that's true, then it must mean Jesus' sacrifice was not enough! Cont'd

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#407213 Dec 5, 2012
guest, I typed a lot but I think it got lost. Your post was incredible and displayed great intelligence. I've always wondered WHY we're taught to offer our sufferings to God - couldn't one infer that Jesus' sacrifice was insufficient? And there are too many "middlemen" and one "middlewoman" that we don't need, as we're supposed to go directly to God. Jesus made that loud and clear, didn't He?

Anyway, your writing was terrific and thanks for taking all that time with invaluable info that can raise our awareness :) God bless.
_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#407214 Dec 5, 2012
07Dec12.....

.....BobLoblah oftenTimes wonders how a whole lotta schidt-for-brains posters hereIN would manage to make a message without their 'Bings' and pastings.

Ps:....to post a message in their own words stumps 'em.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#407215 Dec 5, 2012
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
07Dec12.....
.....BobLoblah oftenTimes wonders how a whole lotta schidt-for-brains posters hereIN would manage to make a message without their 'Bings' and pastings.
Ps:....to post a message in their own words stumps 'em.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
You think anybody's gonna understand your jibberish?
Orville

Baker City, OR

#407216 Dec 5, 2012
I am a sinner;


Discipleship and the Christian Life;
Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble.

Full context: I Peter 3:8


Romans 15:1,2 “We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.”


Romans 15:3 “For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.”



....and I hate sin. Yet I drink from the cup of sin. And I do so knowingly. A dark and unquenchable thirst. Perhaps I am abusive of Holy Gods mercies. Abusive of Holy Gods love. Because I know these qualities exist with our Holy God Jesus. They are permanent. Even when aware of the consequences of sin, I sin.

I look forward to leaving this life, this body of decay. My only hope of never desiring sin again is my physical death. My escape from sin is my sole hope of eternity. My entire purpose is to be complete with God-Jesus . To never sin again.
Orville

Baker City, OR

#407217 Dec 5, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
<quoted text>
guest - it took a lot of time, effort, but above all, knowledge to post what you just did and I believe you are quite accurate. You hit home with me with just about every point you brought up and you are extremely sensible. I have never understood the teaching that we should all offer our sufferings to God - if that's true, then it must mean Jesus' sacrifice was not enough! Cont'd


By " our sufferings to God ", we are not usurping or denying what Jesus accomplished, but acknowledging HIS love . Being we share in the sufferings of Jesus . Obedience to Jesus comes at a price.

John 15:18;
18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19If ye were of the world,( acceptable to our society), the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


Sherlayne, the rewards of obedience to Jesus;
8Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy ( GODS), might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
john 15:9.

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