Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
ReginaM

Lakewood, NJ

#404268 Nov 23, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="ReginaM"
I've also read various Protestant commentaries that state there was no actual singing by angels, that the words were spoken.
As Alessandro Speciale said in the CNN piece, the Pope was trying to show that Jesus is a very real historical figure, not some flowery myth. The Pope likes Christmas carols and traditional nativity scenes just as much as anyone else. They're just not biblical.
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A whole host of angels praising God in the sky would be music to me.
Not Biblical? Examine every one of the items used for the Christmas celebration, and you will see that each of them 'fits' the scripture. Even the colors (red and green) were what John the Revelator saw when he saw the throne of God.
KayMarie
Again, Kay, I agree. But technically, it isn't described as such in scripture. I could be wrong as I haven't yet read his book, but I think the Pope's point is well taken. The man is a brilliant Christian scholar and theologian. No one does Christmas like the Bavarians, but that isn't the perspective of "The Infancy Narratives".
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#404269 Nov 23, 2012
Luke 2:8-20

[8] And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night.[9] An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified.[10] But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people.[11] Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord.[12] This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger."

[13] Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,

[14] "Glory to God in the highest,
and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests."
[15] When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, "Let's go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about."

[16] So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was lying in the manger.[17] When they had seen him, they spread the word concerning what had been told them about this child,[18] and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them.[19] But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart.[20] The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, which were just as they had been told.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#404270 Nov 23, 2012
LUKE 2 .[11] Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord.[12] This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger."

definition of a manger

man·ger (mnjr)
n.
A trough or an open box in which feed for livestock is placed.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#404271 Nov 23, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>the "stable" was a small cave, and i doubt if cows were in this small cave, since most cows were down in Bashan where the good pasture is located.
the only animal that might have been there would have been a small burro


Poor little burro all by himself!

No one outside of christian ONLY writers ever mentions the virgin birth story. Don't forget there were no christians, christianity had not yet even been invented, but only jews and they don't tell stories or believe in virgin mary story.

There is no recorded stories anywhere of King Herod slaughtering male infants. No recorded stories anywhere of Mary/Joseph/Jesus fleeing to Egypt.

As a young child I too was taught all these stories. I was fascinated until I reached the age of reason, 9.

Christian TRADITION only!

Every religious "belief" has their traditions and their followers were taught and believe as strongly in their hearts that their stories are true too.





LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#404272 Nov 23, 2012
Definition of MANGER

: a trough or open box in a stable designed to hold feed or fodder for livestock
Live Action

Edmond, OK

#404273 Nov 23, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>what ever you say, knowing him.
what about the burro, any truth to that?LOL
no no truth to that but thats what you get when you speak the truth people that persecute you I'm not in school anymore and words do not hurt me...
Pad

Rockford, IL

#404274 Nov 23, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Your understanding of the 1st commandment is flawed. And your understanding of the significance of the Incarnation is flawed. Happy Thanksgiving!
Of course you think it is flawed in the eyes of what you defend on a daily basis AnthonyMN.The truth of the matter is,that the RCC has saw fit to believe that God abhors idols made for worship of an unknown deity,and we agree with them on that,but God abhors any graven image especially made for the worship of Himself as well,in regards to His Son.Oh it's okay to have images as long as they are of Jesus? Well I wonder when the images of Jesus first began to circulate in the early centuries of the Christian movement? No doubt the Jews would have even more reason to hate us,because we violated the First commandment.

The Jews have every right to call statues of Jesus Idols,one because we claim Jesus is God,and two because no graven image should be made to worship gods and of course God himself.

How is the Incarnation flawed? Well AnthonyMN, I know that the Catholics no matter who they are have no real defense for the production and use of statues that misrepresent the PERSON of God in Christ Jesus.It is a thorn in the flesh of your belief system that continues to seaparate the Body of Christ till Jesus returns,what else is new? Many Catholics would be hopelessly distraught without the presence of statues in their churches for an atmosphere of worship.Thanksgiving is over,we already celebrated that day which is a national holiday,thank you!
Live Action

Edmond, OK

#404275 Nov 23, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
"Nice talk" from a "so-called" Christian!!!
First of all i am not a christain that is like a insult to me for most Christians are the ones who love war adultery and sin all week and then ask forgiveness on sunday.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#404276 Nov 23, 2012
LTM wrote:
Definition of MANGER
: a trough or open box in a stable designed to hold feed or fodder for livestock
Kay mocked the pope because she read something in a news article. Factually she was wrong. Factually the bible says nothing about animals and angels singing, it's just tradition, nice tradition and something I have no problem with, but tradition all the same. The hypocritical thing about this sad chapter is that you guys are the ones caught adding to scripture.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#404277 Nov 23, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree that animals might have been in the stable because it was, well, a stable. The Pope probably thinks so, too, but there's no account of these things in scripture. I think you're missing the point of his book(s)...and I find it very disheartening that you're missing it because of your anti-Catholic bigotry.
Think about what you wrote above, Kay. There's a war on Christianity. What are some of the arguments used by secularists? How are they addressed by the Pope's latest work? I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
REGINA M. says........ agree that animals might have been in the stable because it was, well, a stable.

Bible says CAVE..........thats a long way from a stable.

Does anybody really know? NO!

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REGINA M. says......There's a war on Christianity. What are some of the arguments used by secularists

What war??

You and all religious people should be "joyful" in celebrating the fact that you live in a "secular society" that allows all religious people, like YOU to practice their religion in peace without fearing imposition. That would never happen in a theocracy. You would be told what to believe.

thank your lucky secualar stars REGINA M.

Today, in america every generation becomes less religiously observant than the generation before. Why? Has organized religion run its course like all the beliefs have done from the past?

The high water mark years of catholicism was 1962-68...since then its been on a slide. Lower number of baptisms, marriages, mass attendance, fewer catholic schools, fewer nuns, priests, and christian brothers. Why?

When the MOST holy catholics men and women don't answer the calling to the priest/sisterhood as they did in the past, than you know you are in trouble.

I can't believe the vatican isn't doing PRIORITY JOB #1 research as to why western world catholicism is going down.







Truth

Leesburg, VA

#404278 Nov 23, 2012
passinby wrote:
<quoted text>
There were two Shabbats that week; Pesach/Passover and the 7th. He died before Pesach/Passover Wednesday afternoon before sunset.
Now as for counting, evening and morning are considered a day from the very beginning. Unless you're claiming he raised Sunday night you can't get 3 days from Friday evening to Sunday morning Roman time. How about you respect the Hebrew scriptures, understanding, and Yahusha's own words and historical information about when Pesach/Passover happened at that time?
i think you destroyed your own argument with the 3PM Friday to 3PM Saturday; that's only 1 day. And then you devolve into mystical strangeness by talking about the number 40 being about completion? i think i'll rely on the actual word of YHUH and what Yahusha said would happen. That will keep me in good standing with YHUH. Because by your logic YHUH/YHUShA isn't capable of fulfilling his word of being 3 literal days in the tomb like Yonah not seeing corruption (which would happen by 3 days) and then resurrecting.
As for understanding the Hebrew way; i am a Hebrew (not a Jew) an actual descendant of Yshral/Yaaqob; speaking English or being born somewhere has nothing to do with it. Understanding Hebrew and Aramaic and accepting YHUH/YHUShA's testimony does.
Luke 13:32-33

32 He replied,“Go tell that fox,‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today (FRIDAY) and tomorrow,9SATURDAY) and on the third day (SUNDAY) I will reach my goal.’

33 In any case, I must press on today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!

Luke 24:21

21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.

Luke 24:46

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#404279 Nov 23, 2012
Live Action wrote:
<quoted text>First of all i am not a christain that is like a insult to me for most Christians are the ones who love war adultery and sin all week and then ask forgiveness on sunday.
BINGO!!!!

You sin for a few weeks, you pop into the confessional the priest resets your sin-o-meter back to 0000's, and you start all over again.

Why would catholics tell a strange priest their entire history of all their wrong doings when they wouldn't even tell their loving wife what they have been doing wrong?

Live Action

Edmond, OK

#404280 Nov 23, 2012
What I see here is everyone doing what is right in their own minds.they can read the truth but not accept it because they would have to change. people do not like change because they love their sin to much And everyone interprets the scripture their own way to suit them...... And let us not for get how the roman catholick church has changed it and what about the lieing pen of the scribes.I think line upon line precept upon precept is the only way to go.And understanding will never come from a man made god.you people would be better off if you worshiped him as the great spirit than a man made god.

I have tried to explain how man changed his name. but you still do not understand.but yet no one can prove this to be incorrect.

Do you people not understand the power satan has her evil demons and spirits fallen angles.their are wars in heaven at this time just as their are wars on earth.and when Yahweh shows his wrath.he is going after all sinners.their will be no rapture this is but a fairy tale.I would like to know where is the peace and love on this earth.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#404281 Nov 23, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, Kay, I agree. But technically, it isn't described as such in scripture. I could be wrong as I haven't yet read his book, but I think the Pope's point is well taken. The man is a brilliant Christian scholar and theologian. No one does Christmas like the Bavarians, but that isn't the perspective of "The Infancy Narratives".
Right he is brilliant and very much a scholar. Only if one reads what he says in context and understands his reasoning can one present a reasoned argument against his postion if one was so inclined. Conjecture and heresay is not a pillar of the truth. The point is MK and LTM and countless others are using it in an inflammatory way and with disregard. False witness does apply yet again.

Here is an interesting discussion. http://blog.adw.org/2010/04/angels-dont-sing/
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#404282 Nov 23, 2012
passinby wrote:
<quoted text>
There were two Shabbats that week; Pesach/Passover and the 7th. He died before Pesach/Passover Wednesday afternoon before sunset.
Now as for counting, evening and morning are considered a day from the very beginning. Unless you're claiming he raised Sunday night you can't get 3 days from Friday evening to Sunday morning Roman time. How about you respect the Hebrew scriptures, understanding, and Yahusha's own words and historical information about when Pesach/Passover happened at that time?
i think you destroyed your own argument with the 3PM Friday to 3PM Saturday; that's only 1 day. And then you devolve into mystical strangeness by talking about the number 40 being about completion? i think i'll rely on the actual word of YHUH and what Yahusha said would happen. That will keep me in good standing with YHUH. Because by your logic YHUH/YHUShA isn't capable of fulfilling his word of being 3 literal days in the tomb like Yonah not seeing corruption (which would happen by 3 days) and then resurrecting.
As for understanding the Hebrew way; i am a Hebrew (not a Jew) an actual descendant of Yshral/Yaaqob; speaking English or being born somewhere has nothing to do with it. Understanding Hebrew and Aramaic and accepting YHUH/YHUShA's testimony does.
Luke 23:54-56

54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

55 The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it.

56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. <<<<<But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.>>>> >

Mary came the next day (SUNDAY) to prepare Jesus' body with the spices and perfumes...

Mark 16:1

16 When the Sabbath was OVER, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body.
Fr Robert Dye

Muskogee, OK

#404283 Nov 23, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
As to animals in the Nativity scene, though they are not specifically mentioned, WOULD NATURALLY BE IN A STABLE.
One sideline Protestant group is protesting Christmas,too, by saying that He was not born in a stable.
They say that the word "inn" means 'guest room', so Jesus was born in the 'guest room'.
One only has to read more carefully to see that "there was NO ROOM in the INN (guest room)".
There is a war on against Christianity, and Christmas in particular.(An old pagan holiday???)
KayMarie
.
And of course, Jesus being placed in a manger (feedbox) has NO special symbolism whatever...
.
Rob

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#404284 Nov 23, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Your wife is back on stirring up trouble again by shaking her finger at the pope.
I guess neither you nor Kay know scripture half as good as you think you do. Maybe you could provide the book, chapter and verse where the angels are "singing" at Jesus's birth?
The Bible says....

Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and -->saying,<--

Luk 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

definition of the word -->saying<-- as us in Luke 2:13...

&#955;&#949;&#769; &#947;&#969;
lego&#772;
leg'-o
A primary verb; properly to “lay” forth, that is,(figuratively) relate (in words [usually of systematic or set discourse; whereas G2036 and G5346 generally refer to an individual expression or speech respectively; while G4483 is properly to break silence merely, and G2980 means an extended or random harangue]); by implication to mean:- ask, bid, boast, call, describe, give out, name, put forth, say (-ing, on), shew, speak, tell, utter.

What ever the angels were doing they were praising God,,,

It seems ironic that you and your pope would be so concerned about whether the angels sang or didn't sing at the birth of Jesus

Ye he has no compunctions about lying concerning Matt 16: 17-19

Nothing that your Church claims about the pope and papal succession is written there.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#404285 Nov 23, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Of course you think it is flawed in the eyes of what you defend on a daily basis AnthonyMN.The truth of the matter is,that the RCC has saw fit to believe that God abhors idols made for worship of an unknown deity,and we agree with them on that,but God abhors any graven image especially made for the worship of Himself as well,in regards to His Son.Oh it's okay to have images as long as they are of Jesus? Well I wonder when the images of Jesus first began to circulate in the early centuries of the Christian movement? No doubt the Jews would have even more reason to hate us,because we violated the First commandment.
The Jews have every right to call statues of Jesus Idols,one because we claim Jesus is God,and two because no graven image should be made to worship gods and of course God himself.
How is the Incarnation flawed? Well AnthonyMN, I know that the Catholics no matter who they are have no real defense for the production and use of statues that misrepresent the PERSON of God in Christ Jesus.It is a thorn in the flesh of your belief system that continues to seaparate the Body of Christ till Jesus returns,what else is new? Many Catholics would be hopelessly distraught without the presence of statues in their churches for an atmosphere of worship.Thanksgiving is over,we already celebrated that day which is a national holiday,thank you!
Ok. Once and for all Pad. I'm Catholic, I DO NOT Idolize saints. I DO NOT worship statues. I DO NOT worship Mary.

Are you still accusing me of doing it?

If so, may God have mercy on you.
marge

Ames, IA

#404286 Nov 23, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
.
And of course, Jesus being placed in a manger (feedbox) has NO special symbolism whatever...
.
Rob
The New Covenant?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#404287 Nov 23, 2012
Dustorm:
That would be a fair statement, but since I have not seen the exact quote forgive me for not trusting secular and protestant tabloids as we have seen them so accurate so often in here. ROTFL

**********

I love it..."...as we have seen them SO ACCURATE so often in here." :)

I know it was a typo...but it's cute anyway.

KayMarie

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