Is Suicide a Sin ?
Thy Will Be Done

Blackshear, GA

#1 Nov 2, 2012
Is Suicide a Sin ?
Thy Will Be Done

Blackshear, GA

#3 Nov 2, 2012
Hello , anyone out there?:)
Jehovah is God

United States

#4 Nov 2, 2012
Suicide is not the unforgivable sin, to take your own life is self murder and there are many reasons a person would be desparate enough to take their own life, just that the will to live, keeps many from doing it.

If a person is extremely sick with pain, suffering despair, loneliness, mental and addictive disorders, genetic makeup and brain disorders are all underlying factors for the act of suicide.

Another additional factor is not having a hope for the future.
The Bible gives us that hope, no matter what trials or suffering we have to endure in this life, our life is a gift from Almighty God Jehovah. John 3:16

The truth about Almighty God Jehovah and life, and the words of Jesus to his followers at Matthew 24:14 that the one who endures to the end will be saved, even tho we die, we will live again.

The hope of the resurrection is the basic truth of Christianity, and the sure hope that all those in the graves, no matter where we are put to rest, will live again on a new clean earth of paradise.
John 5:28,29
Thy Will Be Done

Blackshear, GA

#5 Nov 2, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
Suicide is not the unforgivable sin, to take your own life is self murder and there are many reasons a person would be desparate enough to take their own life, just that the will to live, keeps many from doing it.
If a person is extremely sick with pain, suffering despair, loneliness, mental and addictive disorders, genetic makeup and brain disorders are all underlying factors for the act of suicide.
Another additional factor is not having a hope for the future.
The Bible gives us that hope, no matter what trials or suffering we have to endure in this life, our life is a gift from Almighty God Jehovah. John 3:16
The truth about Almighty God Jehovah and life, and the words of Jesus to his followers at Matthew 24:14 that the one who endures to the end will be saved, even tho we die, we will live again.
The hope of the resurrection is the basic truth of Christianity, and the sure hope that all those in the graves, no matter where we are put to rest, will live again on a new clean earth of paradise.
John 5:28,29
Thank you so much Jehovah is God .
There appears to be many references in the bible to people committing suicide under various conditions, for example Samson and many other biblical characters and some asking God to kill them as well for example Moses in Numbers 11:12-15 ( though I am not certain that could be considered suicide or not or it is just a hope to be killed ).

You say it is not an unforgivable sin though many people seem to think it is .
Obviously people in the bible committed suicide under various conditions and situations , I can name them if you would like.
Is that what you mean it is ok or at least not a sin under certain situations or conditions?

One example of course is to lay down your life no greater love and of course if the interpretations of scripture are taken in a literal fashion in references to those that refers to the anti - Christ people will knowingly die before they take the mark ..

As you stated there are many possible reasons including despair , depression or that they can not live without someone or they have done wrong and feel a guilt that though they are forgiven they can not seem to forgive themselves or things are just to bad and to much to handle

.
You know I guess some people would point out the body is the temple of the Lord but what about fasting 40 days or so that would be to much for some people and I think maybe Jesus and Moses both fasted like that and Jesus of course knew what was coming and carried it through for the sake of all of us being not only killed but beat and tortured .

Is suicide a sin or is it not a sin or does it simply depend upon the situations and conditions

Again thank you .
Thy Will Be Done

Blackshear, GA

#6 Nov 2, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
Suicide is not the unforgivable sin, to take your own life is self murder and there are many reasons a person would be desparate enough to take their own life, just that the will to live, keeps many from doing it.
If a person is extremely sick with pain, suffering despair, loneliness, mental and addictive disorders, genetic makeup and brain disorders are all underlying factors for the act of suicide.
Another additional factor is not having a hope for the future.
The Bible gives us that hope, no matter what trials or suffering we have to endure in this life, our life is a gift from Almighty God Jehovah. John 3:16
The truth about Almighty God Jehovah and life, and the words of Jesus to his followers at Matthew 24:14 that the one who endures to the end will be saved, even tho we die, we will live again.
The hope of the resurrection is the basic truth of Christianity, and the sure hope that all those in the graves, no matter where we are put to rest, will live again on a new clean earth of paradise.
John 5:28,29
Oh I almost forgot ,
How can suicide not be an unforgivable sin if it is a sin?
What I mean is , is it not to late to ask forgiveness for a sin after you are not alive ?
This seems like a fair question.
:)
Jehovah is God

United States

#7 Nov 2, 2012
There is only one unforgivable sin, that is to grieve Almighty God Jehovah's holy spirit. The holy spirit is the power that Jehovah gives anyone who wants to obey his requirements or to do His will according to the Bible.

(Matthew 12:31, 32). . .On this account I say to YOU, Every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. 32 For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him;

but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come.

The penalty for our sins is death, we all have to die because of Adams sin. When a person dies, his sins are forgiven him, he has paid the price for his being imperfect, inherited from Adam: sin is imperfection.

(Romans 6:5-7). . .For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall certainly also be [united with him in the likeness] of his resurrection; 6 because we know that our old personality was impaled with [him], that our sinful body might be made inactive, that we should no longer go on being slaves to sin. 7 For he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin.
Thy Will Be Done

Blackshear, GA

#8 Nov 2, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
There is only one unforgivable sin, that is to grieve Almighty God Jehovah's holy spirit. The holy spirit is the power that Jehovah gives anyone who wants to obey his requirements or to do His will according to the Bible.
(Matthew 12:31, 32). . .On this account I say to YOU, Every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. 32 For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him;
but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come.
The penalty for our sins is death, we all have to die because of Adams sin. When a person dies, his sins are forgiven him, he has paid the price for his being imperfect, inherited from Adam: sin is imperfection.
(Romans 6:5-7). . .For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall certainly also be [united with him in the likeness] of his resurrection; 6 because we know that our old personality was impaled with [him], that our sinful body might be made inactive, that we should no longer go on being slaves to sin. 7 For he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin.
I see thank you .
Are you saying there is no literal hell?
If so can you prove this?
Jehovah is God

United States

#9 Nov 3, 2012
The Bible itself as God's word proves that the wicked are not punished or tormented forever in a lake of fire named hell, that teaching is from the Roman Catholic religion, and has been adopted into Christendoms many sects or denominations as doctrinal fact.

The Bible speaks of the lake of fire as the end of anything that is put into it. Death and hell are put into the lake of fire, and anyone who is not found written in the book of life, it is their complete end, there is no resurrection from Gehenna or the second death.
Revelation 21:8

The Bible teaches that the word fire is the means of showing God's anger, because fire is so destructive that if something is burned up, it cab never be used again. The symbolic language of the Bible helps us to know and love our heavenly Father Almighty God Jehovah.

Hebrews 12:29
Thy Will Be Done

Blackshear, GA

#10 Nov 3, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
The Bible itself as God's word proves that the wicked are not punished or tormented forever in a lake of fire named hell, that teaching is from the Roman Catholic religion, and has been adopted into Christendoms many sects or denominations as doctrinal fact.
The Bible speaks of the lake of fire as the end of anything that is put into it. Death and hell are put into the lake of fire, and anyone who is not found written in the book of life, it is their complete end, there is no resurrection from Gehenna or the second death.
Revelation 21:8
The Bible teaches that the word fire is the means of showing God's anger, because fire is so destructive that if something is burned up, it cab never be used again. The symbolic language of the Bible helps us to know and love our heavenly Father Almighty God Jehovah.
Hebrews 12:29
Yes , I have heard that the concept of a literal hell was from a roman Catholic influence before as with other possible influences and alterations and misinterpretations but where did they get the idea from I wonder.
Also I heard that concept came from the Babylonian captivity of the Jews.

I have a tendency to agree with you when many of the scriptures pertaining to hell is considered along with the possible paradoxes that a literal hell might produce.

But then again some scripture seems to imply just that , such as the parable of Lazarus
and the rich man where names are names seldom is that done if scripture is not meant to be taken literally in fact I can not think of any other places where that is the case.

( I think there appears to be little doubt that Jesus went somewhere just after being crucified and it certainly was not to God because he later said touch me not for I have not yet ascended to my father right?
Then of course on the cross when he told that man today you will be with me in paradise ).

Also I remember something about people being swallowed up into hell in reference to Moses I think it was something like that and also Lucifer when asked where he was by God he said from going up and down into the earth .

Aside from the parable the biggest support for that concept I think comes from Satan , the antichrist and his followers with the mark going to a lake of fire and indeed it does say in reference to Satan that he will be tortured forever does it not? In the presence of the lamb I think maybe ?

There is also a bit of a problem in that spirits are mentioned in the bible and it does not seem to imply the devil or demons ( I think maybe some of what people call spirits or Ghost are really demons ) but still in some places it seems to imply ghost or spirits such as when Jesus was walking on the water that is what I seem to recall one of the disciples thought ).

So I just don’t know , I have a tendency to think there is not a literal hell but I still think there might or could be.

Of course I suppose our religious belief systems might have some influences on our beliefs on this for example though as a child I had fire and brimstone Baptist influences later my grandmother a Jehovah Witness had some influence on me and then later I just seem to find my own influences from the bible and study of beliefs , concepts and philosophies ECT….
So I admit I just don’t know.
Thy Will Be Done

Blackshear, GA

#11 Nov 3, 2012
Oh and Jehovah is God I find myself wondering , If there is no hell as many Christians would point out what is the deterrent from living in the world and what justice is done or accomplished .
I mean in a way it hardly seems fair people who commit horrific horrible atrocities get to sleep in peace on the other hand I suppose maybe what good would it do to torture them as people who are saved will be happy and at peace anyway .
I have heard some unsaved say they would be happy to party in hell and such and atheist of course would conclude well if that is right that is what I thought would happen to me anyway so why the heck not just live the way I want.
The majority of the world seems to want to live in the world even some Christians seem to stray and be drawn that way , the truth is the flesh is fun for many people .
Some maybe even many maybe even a majority would simply say so what .
I do not know if you believe in the literal interpretation of the antichrist or not but literal or not though especially the case if it is literal most would say I want to live a happy life not a sacrificial one and certainly not when faced with the alternatives on a literal take on the whole antichrist scenario even to the point of not just self denial as well as being a criminal by law of man and losing well everything material and even non - material such as family friends and being a functioning part of society but also friends and family in that scenario might pay the price , torture and termination included ..

But even on a non- literal take on this I think it would still possibly hold true,

Thank you so much you have been very informative and helpful.:)
Thy Will Be Done

Blackshear, GA

#12 Nov 3, 2012
Oh yes one more thing what about the judgment ?
I mean true it hardly seems right to resurrect the unsaved but how can the saved be judged in the same fashion

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works

As well every knee shall bow.

Notice that death and hell are indeed two separate words there , I would think that a bit redundant and unnecessary if they are one in the same?

Thank you so much you have been very informative and helpful.:)
Jehovah is God

Pryor, OK

#13 Nov 4, 2012
Each individual person has to choose for himself how he will live his life, what he does with his life will make the difference, because he will have to pay for his mistakes and suffer whatever consequences come from those mistakes. It takes education and hard work to direct your life, if you want to be successful.
John 17:3

Almighty God Jehovah knows mankind is imperfect and sinful and under the influence of Satan the god of this world, he has given his earthly children the direction they need to be happy and healthy...the Bible.
Isaiah 48:17,18

The Bible is only beneficial to the person who wants to make Almighty God Jehovah happy, to do his will and be blessed by our God and heavenly Father. Jesus Christ is our exampler, he showed mankind how to do that and how to gain everlasting life in paradise on earth. The hope of true Christians today who are subjects of God's heavenly Kingdom government.
Luke 23:43

Our life on this earth is very short, compared to trees and turtles or anything else that lives way over a hundred years, so if we don't appreciate our life, we won't care for and preserve it alive. John 3:16, 36

Death is our enemy, it is inherited because we are from imperfect sinners, all mankind has been rescued or ransomed from eternal death by Jesus Christ our savior.
Jesus gave his life so mankind can have the hope of living forever, as our first parents had that same hope.
Acts 24:15
Jehovah is God

Pryor, OK

#16 Nov 4, 2012
Jehovah is God's name, and he knows his sheep, those who obey and love him with their whole heart, life and mind. Matthew 22:37-39

It is the apostate, the fake sheep that has proven unfaithful, who can't be obedient because it is not in his heart to obey any directions that does not agree with his thinking or his will for his time or life.
2Peter 2:9,10

It is the faithful sheep who follows and obeys the shepherd (Jesus) chosen by God to lead his sheep in these last days. Jehovah's witnesses are only acceptable to Jehovah God if they are obedient to the shepherds direction.

(Matthew 25:45, 46). . .Then he will answer them with the words,‘Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did not do it to one of these least ones, YOU did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”
Jehovah is God

Pryor, OK

#18 Nov 5, 2012
What you posted only applied to the Jews who heard Jesus speak those words, the nation of Israel was already dedicated to Almighty God Jehovah, they were being misled by their religious leaders at that time.

Same as today, people are being misled by religions man made doctrines as you preach. The Law of Moses was abolished by the death of Jesus, the Jews had to obey the Law of Jesus or directions of Jesus if they wanted to inherit the earth.

(Matthew 22:37-40). . .You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this,‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’
40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”

Matthew 28:19,20

Today people have to obey the direction of Jesus as taught by the subjects of God's heavenly Kingdom, the government that will bring God's will done on earth as it is in heaven. If you do not, you will not inherit this earth.
Proverbs 2:21,22
Jehovah is God

Pryor, OK

#20 Nov 6, 2012
And how do you say people will recieve God's favor at Armageddon or the end of this world, soon to be here?
Jehovah is God

United States

#22 Nov 7, 2012
yon wrote:
Revelation 12:17
"Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus."
NOT THE COMMANDMENTS AND RELIGIONS OF MEN
Jesus is directing his sheep today, only those who are chosen and owned by Almighty God Jehovah. There are no other people who are keeping with the education and direction of Almighty God Jehovah, to survive the attacks of Satan the Devil in these last days.

(2 Peter 3:11-13). . .Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought YOU to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12 awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which [the] heavens being on fire will be dissolved and [the] elements being intensely hot will melt! 13 But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.
Jehovah is God

Tulsa, OK

#25 Nov 7, 2012
Once again I say to you, you do not know the Bible, you do not know Almighty God Jehovah and you do not know Jesus Christ our reigning King in heaven.

You are outside the household of God, you will stay in this world and since you refuse to accept the truth of Scriptures as preached by Jehovah's witnesses to live in God's new world of righteousness, and you refuse to believe what I say, your blood is on your own head.

(1 Timothy 2:1-7) 3 This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God,

4 whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—[this is] what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times. 7 For the purpose of this witness I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—a teacher of nations in the matter of faith and truth.
Jehovah is God

United States

#28 Nov 8, 2012
yon wrote:
Furthermore, since you are not in Covenant with Israel, you cannot claim Eph 2:12 unless you claim to be Israel yourselves which is utter nonsense as this verse is applying to the lost sheep that had been scattered and had adopted pagan customs and had lost their identities but still retained some of their heritage and thus understood what Paul was talking about. There were some wise pagan Greeks and others who understood this too - thus the parable of the Dragnet. But since you reject Israel, you are simply a wild olive tree that have a zeal for religion and make your own doctrines rather than those spelled out by the Torah and the Prophets. And can be thought of as nothing more than a daughter of Babylon Romans 10:2-3, 11:17
- " remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world...."
Natural Israel or Jews today are not God's people, they are alienated from Almighty God Jehovah by their own doing. They have suffered the consequences of that choice for centuries, they will continue to be ungodly as this world, unless they repent and accept Jesus as the Messianic King ruling in heaven today. Revelation 11:15

Jehovah's witnesses or true Christians are the spiritual Israel of God.
The spiritual nation of Israel is made up of only those who obey and worship Almighty God Jehovah, and only spiritual Israel recieve the seal of protection from Almighty God Jehovah. Revelation 7:3,4

The Torah was replaced with the Law of Christ, and nothing or anything you believe will change that Scripture. Matthew 22:37-39
Jehovah is God

United States

#33 Nov 8, 2012
yon wrote:
But now there are 1000 daughters of Babylon that have written their own interpretations of the Tanakh and claim to be the "true religion." e.g. 10 hours a month national average field circus and regular meeting attendance, and must believe every word in the wtbt$$$ magazines and pretend it's the word of God, same as the Bible, written by nameless people in Brooklyn..
You are thoroughly mistaken in your understanding of Jehovah's people today, we do not preach the Watchtower magazine or any other publication printed by the Watchtower Printing Co. except the Bible. The magazines are the spiritual water people need to read to have the appetite for more spiritual food or Scriptural understanding from the Bible. Revelation 22:17

Just because you cannot accept that Jehovah God has a people who are not
the elite of this world, who are in fact people who reject the norm of this world, and live by Bible principles and the standard of righteousness, so we can recieve the promised blessings of Jehovah God, and the hope of living in God's new world or paradise, soon to be here.
Galatians 5:22-24

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