Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#139532 Nov 20, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler was brought up Catholic, received the sacraments, had his birthday celebrated by a Mass, invoked God on numerous occasions. Where did you get the idea Hitler was an Atheist?
It's better to be an empathetic atheist, than a heartless believer!!

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#139533 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
You're welcome!
Oh, Just on this thread, but I have had the experience of being in charge of the whole pakistan forum! That was a hard job, but someone had to do it!
I'm like the referee, I'm not against or on anyone's side! I'm going to start showing penalty cards soon!
Cool beans.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#139534 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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Really? Is the Bible like the koran? Sorry, I've never been tempted to read the Bible.
Redneck, do you have a good explanation for all that? Why is the Bible saying that?


However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

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#139535 Nov 20, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Oh goody!
But, I have to be honest with you, I was engaged to a poster before on pakistan forum, but it didn't work out. That left me heartbroken :'( and I'm worried about the same thing happening again. I don't know whether or not I should take the risk on us!
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#139536 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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Really? Is the Bible like the koran? Sorry, I've never been tempted to read the Bible.
Redneck, do you have a good explanation for all that? Why is the Bible saying that?


If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare,'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.(Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

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#139537 Nov 20, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
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However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
What the.....! But he said that's not christian law?
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#139538 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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Really? Is the Bible like the koran? Sorry, I've never been tempted to read the Bible.
Redneck, do you have a good explanation for all that? Why is the Bible saying that?
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

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#139539 Nov 20, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
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If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare,'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.(Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
I thank God that I was born in the sikh faith! and I thank God for giving me a brain to see what is right and wrong! AMEN!!!!!!!!!!

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#139540 Nov 20, 2012
Croco_Duck wrote:
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Cool beans.
I've heard of magic beans, but never cool beans. Is that something they say in the land of the Croco_Duck?

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#139541 Nov 20, 2012
Ok, nite guys!

Since: Sep 10

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#139542 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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Thank you!
By the way, I'm in charge here so if you ever have any problems like bullying, stalking, dogs trying to hump your leg or anything else, just tell me and then I'll have a word with the 'guys' and they'll sort it all out! Ok?
Nice to have you on the forum, hope to hear more from you!!
:-)
You're in charge here, Clementine?

You may not even be you!!
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#139543 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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What the.....! But he said that's not christian law?
Then why is it in the bible? The book that supposedly contains the WORD OF GOD. It's there girl, if you're confused or not sure, look it up and read it for yourself. Don't take my word for it or REDNUTS word. read it and make you own determination.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

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#139544 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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But, I have to be honest with you, I was engaged to a poster before on pakistan forum, but it didn't work out. That left me heartbroken :'( and I'm worried about the same thing happening again. I don't know whether or not I should take the risk on us!
Let me know when you make up my mind...ok?:)

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#139545 Nov 20, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>And you think that any of these examples support the notion that the universe is conscious because we are conscious?
I'm getting kinda tired of this string of conversation. You seem to think that everyone else should be seeing these strange connections you make, and that since they are so "obvious," you needn't provide any evidence for them.
Also, I'm quite sure bees and ants do not have a "mass mind", at least in the traditional definition of the word mind. They just are good at communicating.
You like to claim a knowledge of science as a basis for your "non-commitment" to a religion or belief in a supernatural entity. I probably have much more experience dealing with EM and some other applied sciences than you. Plus the working with transducers involved in those technologies. Of course I will see things at a glance you wouldn't even be aware of. The difference between reading about something and working with something.

Look at the sky. That is light you see. That is energy and information packed in the flow of it. Live wires.

Ever use an infrared remote? Yes you have. Ever used a solar powered device. Yes you have. Those cross distances with no direct material connection. Voyager is sending telemetry, coded EM emissions, from the edge of the solar system. We are in contact with it. It's power is less than what a 50 bulb Christmas light mini-light string uses. Less than 25 watts. A long damned ways out there. That telemetry can be hooked up to drive devices of as much power as you can provide on this planet via electrical and magnetic means. Electrical leverage.

Trust me, there are objects up in that sky that produce much stronger bursts of EM energy than that simple little radio transmitter coded to our particular specifications. Every light you see up there, and emissions you don't see, are impacting you to some degree. Even if it is 13 billion years old. You are a transducer of that energy coupled with energy produced within you and emanating from this planet. You are part, at least every single tiny bit of atomic matter within you, of that vast circuitry. PERIOD. ABSOLUTE FACT.

Oh, and so is that Voyager that we designed. And those little molecules of EM info we as a species share that assembles us.

So, I am glad that being a slave to the universe and its workings does not bother you.

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#139546 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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It's better to be an empathetic atheist, than a heartless believer!!
I'm an apathetic atheist.

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#139547 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
What the.....! But he said that's not christian law?
Old Testament so it's not Christian, eh? But Christians follow TOT.

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#139548 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
I've heard of magic beans, but never cool beans. Is that something they say in the land of the Croco_Duck?
LOL! Are you American? It's a saying that means "neat".

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#139549 Nov 20, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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I'll miss it. I have to go back to the U.S. tomorrow. Culture shock, again.
Well, good luck with the US. I hope you're ok.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#139550 Nov 20, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know. I don't understand what the trolls get out of spewing bile all day. It's sad. If they wanted to be a good representative of their faith, they would behave like a human being and not an angry, delusional 12 year old.
That's true. These people aren't sane or thoughtful. They clearly aren't in touch with a perfectly moral being.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#139551 Nov 20, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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I'm an apathetic atheist.
You're an empathetic apathetic atheist.

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