Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Oct 13, 2012
 
timn17 wrote:
To you, our system of morality hinges on nothing but a fear of punishment after death.
eh?

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Eagle12 wrote:
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Nope but you are close.
Well, where are you? My wife's hometown is Streator, IL, maybe on our next trip to see her family, I could swing by the ol' eagle homestead and jump on down from the tree! LOL!

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"Non life gives nothing"? Really? We can see matter that is not life form together by forces of gravity and magnetic attraction and blend together to form other objects.
No motivation needed.
I think the point was, "life" can't come from nothing.

As you put it, matter is NOT a life form, but can come together to make something.

But not life.

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Eagle12 wrote:
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It was in the local paper. It is a small local paper.
News that big and it was only in the local paper? WTF? Next, I bet you are going to tell me that Centralia local news paper is not on line, like the rest of the world.

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Oct 13, 2012
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text> It was very uncivil of you to demean...
<quoted text> Because God has touched me. I know He's real.
<quoted text> I am not "science", I am only me. I know that God is real.
God and some middle eastern man are going around touching men!?!? WTF?

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Oct 13, 2012
 
polymath257 wrote:
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Why not many things uncreated outside of space and time?
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I guess you don't know much math, huh? Your statement is simply false. It assumes there is a *beginning* and *then* an infinite time. In actuality, it is possible there is only a finite time between any two events, but an infinite amount of time in the past.
Since declaring past time cannot be infinite , I became aware of the idea that expansion of space/time can literally make past time infinite. Ever stretching space/time can make a finite point infinitely irretrievable in the past. I never looked at it this way before but now I know now a finite point in the past can
infinite in space/time. Mind boggling but I know it's true.
Such would be the case if you tried to move to a position in x,y,z axis matter occupied in space/time 13.7 billion years ago.
Not sure if you follow me ,but my position has changed in infinite past time.

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Oct 13, 2012
 
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<quoted text> There is only one church , that is the Church of Christ. God being pure love is incapable of doing anything evil. Just as heat is the absence of cold so is Love the absence of evil. My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts,” says the Lord.
“And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine.
9For just as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so my ways are higher than your ways
and my thoughts higher than your thoughts. Reas your bible and read Acts chapter 1 and 2 and you will see how and when the Church of Christ started and how your to worship him. Romans 16:16 Mark 16:16
god isn't real and something that isn't real can't love so your gods love doesn't exist

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Well, where are you? My wife's hometown is Streator, IL, maybe on our next trip to see her family, I could swing by the ol' eagle homestead and jump on down from the tree! LOL!
I told you already. I’m in Southern Illinois.

Streator, is in the Northern part of the State.

Lol, when you do jump off that tree. I’ll be waiting.

Like they say on “The Price is Right.”

“Come on down.”

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Oct 13, 2012
 
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<quoted text> Could be.
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<quoted text> Infinity does not exist in reality. In space and time. It exists as a concept. In order to have infinite amount you have to have infinite time. You do not have infinite time. You have finite time. I know that much about math. My example included an infinite amount of days which is in space and time. All you have is an imaginary concept. That is not hard science.

Infinity is incalculable so it is a logical paradox to scientific reasoning, since we cannot calculate an infinite sum.
That doesn't mean they do not exist, it means it cannot be calculated and be reasoned with rationally by our methods.

We choose a point to start counting from, that doesn't mean it is the only point to start counting from, or that it is the beginning point to start counting from. It only means we started counting at a point. It is incomprehensible that there was never a starting point , but there is also no way to find the true point of origin of all things.

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<quoted text> So a fish without legs can give birth to a fish WITH legs?
<quoted text> Ya, because the words "a", "species" & "evolves" are very complex words that only scientists understand...
<quoted text> "the evolution community"? Are those, like, smart people?
<quoted text> Good.
<quoted text> Nobody does, that's the point. It's a theory of guesses & facts all compiled together. People with an anti-theist agenda will call it "fact". At least you're a little more honest.
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As do I. I'm don't think I'm MrKnowItAll... I'm not.
I'm just a squirrel tryin to get a nut.
So I guess I am just debating someone who is going to be a smartass and use childish cliches. And yet you wish for us to take you seriously?

I do not think anyone in the scientific community claims a fully formed leg came from a species that has no legs.

The way you explain this shows you have a cartoon version of evolution in your mind.

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News that big and it was only in the local paper? WTF? Next, I bet you are going to tell me that Centralia local news paper is not on line, like the rest of the world.
At one time Centralia news was talking about going on line. I don't know if they ever did.

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Eagle12 wrote:
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I told you already. I’m in Southern Illinois.
Streator, is in the Northern part of the State.
Lol, when you do jump off that tree. I’ll be waiting.
Like they say on “The Price is Right.”
“Come on down.”
.. Sullivan, IL ??..

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I think the point was, "life" can't come from nothing.
As you put it, matter is NOT a life form, but can come together to make something.
But not life.
I think I explained that 'nothing' is relative.

I cannot prove life came from non life, just as you cannot prove it did not.

The knowledge and evidence for just how life started is not known to man as of today.

The difference is, you claim to know, yet have zero evidence.

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I told you already. I’m in Southern Illinois.
Streator, is in the Northern part of the State.
Lol, when you do jump off that tree. I’ll be waiting.
Like they say on “The Price is Right.”
“Come on down.”
Yes, dumbass, where is Centralia? The place where you lived when you went by rlbj.

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Eagle12 wrote:
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At one time Centralia news was talking about going on line. I don't know if they ever did.
That's right. No way something that big would be on any news that I could verify! No! No! I'll just have to take your word for it.

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Eagle12 wrote:
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At one time Centralia news was talking about going on line. I don't know if they ever did.
You still have not supplied the number of a single post where I have lied.

Doesn't your bibull have something to say about telling porky pies?

Oh, that's right you are a godbot you can do what you want.

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lol, that's all you, buddy
Your deity, your mythology.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I think the point was, "life" can't come from nothing.
As you put it, matter is NOT a life form, but can come together to make something.
But not life.
Watch Carl Sagan's COSMOS. You can watch all the episodes at the following site. I posted the episodes that deal with your question about "life can not come from nothing"...

Abiogenesis: The Origin Of Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Carl Sagan's Cosmos - Star Stuff Episode 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

"We are stardust, we are golden"

Enjoy...

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TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Yes, dumbass, where is Centralia? The place where you lived when you went by rlbj.
I have never lived in Centralia.

I live in the city where Abe Lincoln started his political career.

A city that was once the State Capitol of Illinois.

So if you can’t figure that out with all these clues, you are the dumb sh**.

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