Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Read more

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#128232 Oct 7, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>
Noticed no response from you regarding the Ipuwer Papyrus.
http://www.specialityinterests.net/ipuwer.htm...
Still think Jesus ''probably'' existed?
And what say you about the Georgia Congressman?

“ Woodstock Anyone?”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#128233 Oct 7, 2012
I hope you all don't mind my interrupting your boxing match, but may I pose a question?
If you could use your imagination for a moment and pull back from your current convictions, then contemplate that you now have the ultimate choice.
That whatever you WISHED to be true would be so.
Would it be different from what you feel certain of now?
My question is experimental in nature, not meant to be inflammatory.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#128234 Oct 7, 2012
Atheists don't like the Georgia congressman because of 3 reasons.
1. He's Christian.
2. He's intelligent.
3. He doesn't believe in evolution as other scientists have guessed it to be.
.
Atheists would really love to shut down his 1st Amendment rights

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128235 Oct 7, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
Just also posted this on the PTAG thread:
Georgia Republican congressman Paul Braun said in videotaped remarks that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are "lies straight from the pit of hell," meant to convince people that they don't need a savior.
Perhaps not surprising. But here's the clincher. Braun is on the House Science and Technology Committee.
Peachy, eh?
Let's see who here speaks up in support of the congressman's remarks.
Are you there, Dave?
Yes, I am.

The man has more education and experience in science and technology than you do. For that reason, and his probable higher intelligence, morality, maturity, and education, I would choose him over you any time to hold a position of responsibility and authority over me and you.

How's that?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#128236 Oct 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Atheists don't like the Georgia congressman because of 3 reasons.
1. He's Christian.
2. He's intelligent.
3. He doesn't believe in evolution as other scientists have guessed it to be.
.
Atheists would really love to shut down his 1st Amendment rights
What is the evidence that he is "intelligent"?

Given that evolution is extremely well supported by the available evidence, what does "guessing" have to do with it?

When did any atheist claim that he shouldn't be allowed freedom of speech?

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#128237 Oct 7, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Do you all ever listen to what you say? You seem okay with the US being a gayocracy or athiocracy. How polarizing is it for the president of the US to come out and say that he supports same sex marriage when 44 states do not and neither does the constitution and the Supreme Court that he hates?
It appears that your personal beliefs hold back science, because all evidence supports an earth no older than 7,000 years.
According to astronomical observations, galaxies like our own experience about one supernova (a violently-exploding star) every 25 years. The gas and dust remnants from such explosions (like the Crab Nebula) expand outward rapidly and should remain visible for over a million years. Yet the nearby parts of our galaxy in which we could observe such gas and dust shells contain only about 200 supernova remnants. That number is consistent with only about 7,000 years worth of supernovas.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2005...
10.10 Conclusion

Let's briefly summarise how YECs such as Davies and Sarfati are correct and incorrect. First, in their favour, they are correct on:

The frequency of supernovae occurrence in our Galaxy

However, that's actually it. This is the only point in their favour. In contrast, they are completely incorrect about the following:

The number of actual, observable SNRs in our Galaxy.
The typical observable lifetime of SNRs.
The evolutionary timescales of SNRs.
The uniformity (or lack thereof) of SNR characteristics.
The presence of Radiative SNRs.
The difficulty of finding SNRs.
The distance to SNRs.

In others words, just about everything. In addition, the methodology that they use to calculate the numbers of SNRs they claim should be present is hopelessly wrong. They have also engaged in repeated misquotation, selective interpretation of the data and indeed, selective ignorance of data which disagrees with their conclusions. They are quick to assert that astronomers are confused and bewildered about the so-called "mystery of the missing supernova remnants". This however, is an assertion completely without foundation. There is no mystery. The YECs are making the mystery up themselves. They are completely wrong:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/supernova/

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128238 Oct 7, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
What is the evidence that he is "intelligent"?
Given that evolution is extremely well supported by the available evidence, what does "guessing" have to do with it?
When did any atheist claim that he shouldn't be allowed freedom of speech?
He has a BS in chemistry and is an MD.

He is chairman of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...

Vice chairman of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...

And on these two committees:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...

He became a Congressman in 2007. Has won re-elections by large majorities. Not even contested this coming one.

Has done well in just 5 years. Must have something on the ball.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128239 Oct 7, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
He has a BS in chemistry and is an MD.
He is chairman of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
Vice chairman of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
And on these two committees:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
He became a Congressman in 2007. Has won re-elections by large majorities. Not even contested this coming one.
Has done well in just 5 years. Must have something on the ball.
BTW, he changed his medical practice to house calls only in 2002.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#128240 Oct 7, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I am.
The man has more education and experience in science and technology than you do. For that reason, and his probable higher intelligence, morality, maturity, and education, I would choose him over you any time to hold a position of responsibility and authority over me and you.
How's that?
Dave, I singled you out for a response for a reason.

That is exactly what I expected.

Now go suck on a magnet and don't mix it with Viagra.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#128241 Oct 7, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
He has a BS in chemistry and is an MD.
He is chairman of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
Vice chairman of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
And on these two committees:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
He became a Congressman in 2007. Has won re-elections by large majorities. Not even contested this coming one.
Has done well in just 5 years. Must have something on the ball.
That's where we are today.

Troglodytes in Congress.

A young earther who denies evolution and dreams of hell.

Go figure.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#128242 Oct 7, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>
Noticed no response from you regarding the Ipuwer Papyrus.
http://www.specialityinterests.net/ipuwer.htm...
Still think Jesus ''probably'' existed?
I had previously responded to EMS servant in this post http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/TUGI0DVLL... concerning the Ipuwer Papyrus. The dates for the Ipuwer Papyrus and its date of origin do not align with the "Exodus" myth.

Simply, it just doesn't add up.

Ipuwer Papyrus info @wikipedia.

"The dating of the original composition of the poem is disputed, but several scholars have suggested a date between the late 6th dynasty and the Second Intermediate Period (ca. 1850 BCE-1600 BCE),[4] and appears to describe how the Hyksos took over Egypt.
The theme of this work had previously been taken either as a lament inspired by the supposed chaos of the First Intermediate Period,[5] or as a plea to Pepi II Neferkare depicting the fall of the Old Kingdom.[7][8] The admonitions may not be a discussion with a king at all however. Otto was the first to suggest that the discussion was not between Ipuwer and his king, but that this was a discussion between Ipuwer and a deity. Fecht showed through philological interpretation and revision of the relevant passages that this is indeed a discussion with a deity.[9] Modern research suggests that the papyrus dates to the much later 13th dynasty, with part of the papyrus now thought to date to the time of Pharaoh Khety, and the admonitions of Ipuwer actually being addressed to the god Atum, not a mortal king.[10] The admonitions are thought to harken back to the First Intermediate Period and record a decline in international relations and a general impoverishment in Egypt."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipuwer

Old Kingdom 2686Ė2181 BCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Kingdom

The First Intermediate Period 2181-2055 BCE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intermedia...

Middle Kingdom 2055Ė1650 BCE - The Middle Kingdom of Egypt is the period in the history of ancient Egypt stretching from the establishment of the Eleventh Dynasty to the end of the Thirteenth Dynasty, between 2055 BCE and 1650 BCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Kingdom_o...

13th Dynasty or Dynasty XIII was from approximately 1802 BCE until ca. 1649 BCE for 153 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Dynas...

2nd Intermediate Period 1650Ė1550 BCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intermedi...

Wakhare Khety I (also Akhtoy) was a pharaoh of the Ninth dynasty of Egypt who reigned ca. 2150BCE during the First Intermediary Period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakhare_Khety_I

Wankhare Khety II was a local ruler of the Egyptian 9th / 10th Dynasty during the First Intermediate Period (ca. 21st century BC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankhare_Khety_I...

http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/texts/ipu...

The dates assigned back in the early 1900's have been shown to be inaccurate, and are not the accepted dates today.

Apologetic sites still utilize the data that is in error, and that's not surprising.

There is plenty of information concerning the correct dating and age of the Ipuwer Papyrus and the reasons for those dates.

You are welcome to provide any proof that will rebut the above.
BraunNose

North Augusta, SC

#128244 Oct 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Atheists don't like the Georgia congressman because of 3 reasons.
1. He's Christian.
2. He's intelligent.
3. He doesn't believe in evolution as other scientists have guessed it to be.
.
Atheists would really love to shut down his 1st Amendment rights
I've not heard anyone say they didn't like Braun. He is a very likable person.
Even intelligent people can be both wrong and superstitious.
Just because scientist don't know every single detail of how life on earth evolved doesn't disprove evolution.

“Jesus is Love”

Since: Jul 12

Hutchinson, MN

#128245 Oct 7, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>

Given that evolution is extremely well supported by the available evidence,
This is a lie.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128246 Oct 7, 2012
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#128247 Oct 7, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
What is the evidence that he is "intelligent"?
Given that evolution is extremely well supported by the available evidence, what does "guessing" have to do with it?
When did any atheist claim that he shouldn't be allowed freedom of speech?
Let's not forget he introduced legislation declaring 2010 as the "Year of the Bible".

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#128248 Oct 7, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
I had previously responded to EMS servant in this post http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/TUGI0DVLL... concerning the Ipuwer Papyrus. The dates for the Ipuwer Papyrus and its date of origin do not align with the "Exodus" myth.
Found your post and it is not where your link goes. The date is in dispute. It is similiar to the book of Lamentations. You are fixating on alleged differences in dating and ignoring how the text is similar to the Exodus account. Not a surprise. Gonna try this link again.

http://www.specialtyinterests.net/ipuwer.html

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128249 Oct 7, 2012
Anon wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's not forget he introduced legislation declaring 2010 as the "Year of the Bible".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_of_the_Bibl...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/03/year...

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#128250 Oct 7, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
A phillistine.
A troglodyte.
Glad you asked.
Now run along.
I didnít see any reference to him being a Speleologist.

Obviously you see him in a derogatory way. Itís not his fault that science of evolution is mostly unproven hype. Every time evolution is challenged. Evolutionist and their supporters start reaching for their baseball bats.

There convincing philosophy is to beat the hell out of the deniers of Evolution. Evolution is the only science with this type enforcement arm. If evolution has such a convincing argument. Why do evolutionist need such combative enforcement?

Iíll tell you why. Because there is no convincing argument. Thereís a hell of a lot of speculation, guesswork, imagination, fraud and artist conceptions.

Now you do a good job in Traffic Court tomorrow.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#128251 Oct 7, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey look.
A Dave-fender.
Keep your day job.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#128252 Oct 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Atheists don't like the Georgia congressman because of 3 reasons.
1. He's Christian.
2. He's intelligent.
3. He doesn't believe in evolution as other scientists have guessed it to be.
.
Atheists would really love to shut down his 1st Amendment rights
1. Pertinently, he's probably a fundamentalist.
2. He's human. Intelligence is a relative term. He's more intelligent than a rock, despite what the newspapers may say.
3. He's probably a fundamentalist, so his views on evolution would be dictated by that.

As for what atheists would really love, we are not united in that way. Such a generalization cannot be made accurately.

I would hope that people would stop voting for candidates that are dumber than I am. I'm not that smart, so it shouldn't be hard, but apparently, it's too much to ask.

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