Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“I see quantum effects”

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#121353 Sep 10, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>Very good site and a lot of information there about the Bombardier Beetle. I hope that you read the evolution of the defense system. Because all it does is explain how the defense system operates. It doesn’t explain how this creature evolved nor how it’s chemical weapon defense evolved.

It only eludes to exaptation, which is a, maybe, sort of, could have scenario. A weak counter argument based on speculation.
From wiki:

When a bombardier beetle is threatened by a predator or an offensive invader of any kind, at the appropriate point of approach, the bombardier beetle swings its tail end around, and hot, noxious fluid heated to 100 °C (212 °F) is explosively released from twin combustion tubes into the face of the enemy. Various quinones are commonly produced by cells in the skin of insects to harden their skin into a cuticle, and as they taste bad to predators, many insects secrete them to deter predators. Where there are indentations in the cuticle, these vary to form little sacs that store the deterrent quinone. Where predators develop resistance to this chemical, other related chemicals such as hydroquinone develop, and in many beetles, specialised cells secrete hydroquinone from glands connected by ducts to a reservoir sac, which can be closed off by muscles to stop leakage.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#121354 Sep 10, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Duh, Evolution is a theory based on speculation.
LOL! Says the tough kid who is hiding under his momma's skirt. LOL!

“I see quantum effects”

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#121355 Sep 10, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>The poor evolutionist have to give some kind of a response or they won't get their Christmas Bonus.
I think you have evolutionists confused with priests.

“I see quantum effects”

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#121356 Sep 10, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>I don’t know of any Christian that’s anti-science.

You’re thinking about the anti science in the 1400’s.

A lot has changed since then. You’re a day late and a dollar short.
What's you opinion of evolution?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#121357 Sep 10, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
Why did they disobey? Very good question, Eve was the first to be deceived. She failed to believe and that was the first sin that mankind ever committed. I guess you could say she had an atheist moment.
She failed to believe? Au contraire. It sounds like gullibility was the first sin.

“I see quantum effects”

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#121358 Sep 10, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>The first two people made may have been perfect. You know the earlier generation in the bible lived hundreds of years. That’s pretty good mileage for the old clunker.

I’ve seen some folks that looked like they were made perfect. Then I’ve seen others who thought they were perfect but weren’t.
I've met some who claim they're not science deniers, but they are.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#121360 Sep 10, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I had to look up Alexander Pope to know who you were talking about. Never read anything of his. Maybe I am a reincarnation.
Now, can you come up with something more coherent if that doesn't satisfy you??
Good grief.

That's horrifying.

Has it occurred to you to wonder what other lacunæ there might be in your education?

“There is much pleasure to be”

Since: Jul 10

gained from useless knowledge

#121361 Sep 10, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The gravitational relationship between the earth and sun is within the gravitational relationship of the sun and galaxy.
YOU CAN'T IGNORE THAT GRAVITY.
I just posted as link where the earth's orbit eccentricity has varied due to the gravity of other planetary bodies.
Oogah Boogah will be lynched by the Democratic Party for venturing such a thing. Would cut their voter base by two thirds. Oogah is not very bright. Besides, it isn't the intelligence, it is the use of what intelligence is available, Plus it makes slaves of those Oogie doesn't think are smart enough to live without his guidance.
I'll leave the gravitation-related stuff alone for now, as I have dropped far behind in the thread and I expect this has been picked up by polymath by now...:-)

“There is much pleasure to be”

Since: Jul 10

gained from useless knowledge

#121362 Sep 10, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Thus why I added the stipulation of needing a better system. But IQ is not entirely inherent, it's also not the only descriptor of logic faculties though. Many highly intelligent people capable of excessively high logic often score very low on IQ tests. There are just some things you cannot use a numerical system to accurately define. An education standard would help, since education can destroy stupid notions like bigotry and ignorance, however within the current system it will also put control more into the hands of the financial elite unless we have a better method of determining education levels. I see no simple solution to the voter problems in the USA, sadly, the country has just become too skewed politically and socially.
I agree with your conclusion: there is no simple solution. For my part, I don't see imposing an IQ threshold as being necessarily effective, and certainly not desirable.

“There is much pleasure to be”

Since: Jul 10

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#121363 Sep 10, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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I kind of like the way Heinlein set it up in Starship Trooper. You were not a "citizen" with voting rights unless you spent time in service of the public good.
It wasn't required and a lot of people choose to not obtain "citizenship" without any ill will or negative consequences, except no right to vote. You had to earn it.
A kind of meritocracy.
I've seen the film. I have to say I'm just as uneasy about that dystopian future as the IQ-based voting restrictions mentioned above.

If your state is engaged in an injust war, it would seem you would have to fight *for* your state's cause in order to have the right to vote against it, at least potentially.

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#121364 Sep 10, 2012

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Since: Jul 10

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#121365 Sep 10, 2012
sweets2360 wrote:
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This is a long explaination, but valid, have to read the online book. If you have a little extra time, take a peek.
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
Thank you for the link. I will read the PDF, though it might take me a while to get through it.:-)

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Since: Jul 10

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#121366 Sep 10, 2012
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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The IQ numbers are arbitrary and can represent anything you want at 175. Best to adjust the "acceptable" number to drop off the least intelligent 25% of the population, whatever number that is.
I see, but why 25% rather than 99%? Would that not produce even better results, in your view? Or if not, what do you think would be wrong with increasing it so far?

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#121367 Sep 10, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
A few words from Pope:
A little learning is a dangerous thing
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring
Where small draughts intoxicate the brain
And drinking largely sobers us again.
Quite apropos.

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#121368 Sep 10, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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She failed to believe? Au contraire. It sounds like gullibility was the first sin.
Humanity's first sin was faith; the first virtue was doubt.- Mike Huben

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#121369 Sep 10, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
Eeeek! A white snake!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =IGIHaKCeVYkXX
I thought that music was lost in the Great Eradication.

“There is much pleasure to be”

Since: Jul 10

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#121370 Sep 10, 2012
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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That is a valid point, and perhaps some tweaking would be required to address it. However, adhering to "educational standards" is avoiding "state sanctioned" IQ testing in favor of "state sanctioned" Educational Testing ... so really, your proposed solution solves nothing.
I take your point, though really I had in mind some objective notion of "better educational standards". My hope (and it is just a hope) would be that by improving the reasoning skills of the general public, we would achieve some betterment of society without excluding people from full citizenship. Personally I see such exclusion as a wrong in itself, and would much rather avoid it even if it entails some sacrifice in terms of social betterment.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#121371 Sep 10, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I had to look up Alexander Pope to know who you were talking about. Never read anything of his. Maybe I am a reincarnation.
Now, can you come up with something more coherent if that doesn't satisfy you??
Good one. The old "maybe I am a reincarnation" trick.

No. It doesn't satisfy me. I have heard much better stories in my line of work.

And you haven't even heard of Alexander Pope?

Shame on you.

Shame shame shame.

Double shame.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

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#121372 Sep 10, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
What's you opinion of evolution?
.. after a few glass of fine wine, it's cool ..

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#121373 Sep 10, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. after a few glass of fine wine, it's cool ..
Lucky you I have a carton and will be right over....heheheh

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