Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#52 Jul 20, 2009
Wattamoozie wrote:
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Hah ! I can exist with or without a spirit, but you can't eat without your false teeth ...
Kah kah kah kah....no tooth no eat...... kah kah kah.....got spirit can exist or no spirit can exist keh keh keh ...that's funny thought of an atheist.

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Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#55 Jul 20, 2009
Wattamoozie wrote:
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I enjoyed reading your post, right up to the last sentence. Did you really have to bring the fundamentalists into it ? What you said was good enough ...
Sorry. I have been "debating" some particularly thick headed fundamentalists on the evolution debate forum and have been rather frustrated of late. It has made me a bit snarky. Apologies.

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Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#57 Jul 20, 2009
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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Again, what you mean by "faith" (as you, a person of faith, interprets it) does not apply to the situation of reason. Why? Because reason has shown itself to be a productive, meaningful way of interpreting the world.
This is a case of applying inductive logic. To say that one has "faith" that the sun will rise tomorrow is a very different thing than to say one has "faith" in a god.
In the case of the sun rising, one has a huge base of experience to draw upon that the sun, so far, has risen every day in the past. To assume that it will tomorrow as well is hardly in the same class as religious faith.
Reliance in reason is in the same class as faith in the sun rising. That is, there is a huge base of experience showing that reason produces correct results. To claim otherwise to a denial of reality...which seems to be something fundamentalists are very good at.
<<"Why? Because reason has shown itself to be a productive, meaningful way of interpreting the world.">>

Exactly my point. That's why I as an atheist put my faith in reason.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#59 Jul 20, 2009
Divine Alien wrote:
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Hmmm...the atheists exist without the origin of their life huh! Silly!!!!...stupid!
The epic nature of your inability to grasp a concept such as choice,self determination, free will and individual responsibility only serves to make evident the average mentality of many(not all, thankfully ) people who profess belief in gods....btw you do an excellent job of derailing(trolling) a dialogue between people who look to understand the differences between each other.You do your religion(whatever that is) no service.....way to drive a wedge...it's your type of contribution that will forever broaden the gulf between peoples,races,ideologies and religions..or no religion.

Sadly ,I expect you'll once again miss what was said.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#60 Jul 20, 2009
Infinite Force wrote:
If you have no evidence to prove life origins then that mean you are a person of FAITH. At least the Christians and other documented religions admit they are people of FAITH.
You can have faith but it doesn't mean you are correct.

If you try and impose your beliefs on other people, as many christians do, then the burden of proof rests squarely on their shoulders.

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#61 Jul 20, 2009
Mr Wottamoozie,
Your false teeth aren't composed of atom? Why do you chicken out?
BobEasy

Irwin, PA

#62 Jul 20, 2009
Divine Alien wrote:
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You may go on and on living without God and when you die you will leave your skeletons on/in the ground only.
And so will you, and every other animal with a skeleton.
BobEasy

Irwin, PA

#63 Jul 20, 2009
Infinite Force wrote:
If you have no evidence to prove life origins then that mean you are a person of FAITH. At least the Christians and other documented religions admit they are people of FAITH.
You are either completely ignorant to what a scientific theory is, or you are retarded. One or the other.

A theory isn't just a mere guess. A theory is the best possible explanation we have for something at the given time based on the data and evidence we have gathered through science, reason, and logic. So while evolution is a theory, it is the best possible explanation we have for the origin of life on earth, and it is backed with quite a bit of good, testable evidence. So every time you say evolution has no evidence, that just shows that you are completely ignorant to both evolution and scientific method.

Religion on the other hand, is backed by absolutely no evidence, so people use the cop-out of faith to try to justify or prove that their god is real. Scientists don't need to have faith, because they have good, testable evidence to back up their theories.
BobEasy

Irwin, PA

#64 Jul 20, 2009
appleboy wrote:
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BobEasy,
Atheists put their faith in reason. Before you start crunching data or making observations, you have to believe there is a point to it.
For those who have no belief in anything the issue of god or no god would not not be a factor.
Before people start crunching data or making observations, they usually have good reasons for doing so. That is curiosity, not faith.
BobEasy

Irwin, PA

#65 Jul 20, 2009
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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Again, what you mean by "faith" (as you, a person of faith, interprets it) does not apply to the situation of reason. Why? Because reason has shown itself to be a productive, meaningful way of interpreting the world.
This is a case of applying inductive logic. To say that one has "faith" that the sun will rise tomorrow is a very different thing than to say one has "faith" in a god.
In the case of the sun rising, one has a huge base of experience to draw upon that the sun, so far, has risen every day in the past. To assume that it will tomorrow as well is hardly in the same class as religious faith.
Reliance in reason is in the same class as faith in the sun rising. That is, there is a huge base of experience showing that reason produces correct results. To claim otherwise to a denial of reality...which seems to be something fundamentalists are very good at.
That is kinda what I was trying to say. You worded it very well, and I agree with you 100 percent.

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Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#66 Jul 20, 2009
BobEasy wrote:
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Before people start crunching data or making observations, they usually have good reasons for doing so. That is curiosity, not faith.
As an atheist, I really do understand why many atheists find that word, "faith" so unfitting. In that context, faith is seen as blind (pardon the pun), having no basis other than in itself.

But all I am saying is that at some point, you have to have faith in your senses, your logic, your interpretation of data; you have to have more than just curiosity.

I've known a few atheists who were not particularily adapt with logic. They didn't believe in religious concepts, not because they had arrived at a logical conclusion, they just chose to believe something that felt better. I had several friends in my early teens who were like that.

That seems to be what you are arguing against: the idea that, in belief there is no logic. And I do think it's true that some atheists simply believe in something different, for no reason based on logic.

As for me, I believe that my senses are reasonably accurate, that my use of logic is sufficiently skillful and that my interpretations are correct. And I apply that belief toward forming a picture of the universe as I see it.

“Hello homo sapiens sapiens.”

Since: Mar 07

A galaxy near you.

#67 Jul 20, 2009
BobEasy wrote:
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Before people start crunching data or making observations, they usually have good reasons for doing so. That is curiosity, not faith.
As a kid, I pushed a safety pin into an electrical wall outlet.....blue fire! I did that out of curiosity.

The reason I never did it again was based on my observations of what happened the first time. Faith doesn't enter into it at all;0)
U R brainwashed

Edmonton, Canada

#68 Jul 20, 2009
Divine Alien wrote:
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Dinosaurs died and we continue on. A monkey evolved into a human and there is still some monkeys.
why do you keep embarrassing yourself spouting this nonsense?
no human ever evolved from any monkey you brainwashed kristain
www.talkorigins.org

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Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#70 Jul 20, 2009
DebJ wrote:
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As a kid, I pushed a safety pin into an electrical wall outlet.....blue fire! I did that out of curiosity.
The reason I never did it again was based on my observations of what happened the first time. Faith doesn't enter into it at all;0)
Ah, yes....When I was a kid I spit on an electric fence, to see if the spit would bubble or steam or whatever. It was whatever. It knocked me right on my butt, like I had gone 15 rounds with a heavyweight.

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#71 Jul 20, 2009
BobEasy wrote:
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And so will you, and every other animal with a skeleton.
But my soul my spirit wil go to heaven while my skeletons will fertilize the soil you know?
Rambeaux

Philadelphia, PA

#72 Jul 20, 2009
In order to find out inconclusively whether or not there is a hereafter one must die. As far as I know no one has come back from the grave to say:"There is a Heaven/Hell. I was just there a few minutes ago" or "Wow! I must have been out for a long time. I don't remember nuthin'".

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#73 Jul 20, 2009
U R brainwashed wrote:
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why do you keep embarrassing yourself spouting this nonsense?
no human ever evolved from any monkey you brainwashed kristain
www.talkorigins.org
I don't believe a human evolved from a monkey. I only blame some people who think that a monkey had become a human and claim it their cousin.

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#74 Jul 20, 2009
Rambeaux wrote:
In order to find out inconclusively whether or not there is a hereafter one must die. As far as I know no one has come back from the grave to say:"There is a Heaven/Hell. I was just there a few minutes ago" or "Wow! I must have been out for a long time. I don't remember nuthin'".
I think you have witnessed those atheists or no God humans died. Of course they never come back to haunt the human left behing coz their deads are soulless.
nina

Canada

#75 Jul 20, 2009
appleboy wrote:
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As an atheist, I really do understand why many atheists find that word, "faith" so unfitting. In that context, faith is seen as blind (pardon the pun), having no basis other than in itself.
But all I am saying is that at some point, you have to have faith in your senses, your logic, your interpretation of data; you have to have more than just curiosity.
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I think you are shifting the meaning of faith

your sense gather evidence, and your past experience of them, whether what you see, hear, taste, feel, smell is consistent

faith in the sense of a belief lacking any proof or evidence

is very different from having faith in your education, training, experience and observations
nina

Canada

#76 Jul 20, 2009
appleboy wrote:
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Ah, yes....When I was a kid I spit on an electric fence, to see if the spit would bubble or steam or whatever. It was whatever. It knocked me right on my butt, like I had gone 15 rounds with a heavyweight.
did you drool?

the spit would have had to connect you to the fence

spitting is usually a disconnected glob

or are you trying to avoid saying you peed on it?

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