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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#235646 Aug 28, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
Because that self edification is going to feed a lot of hungry and homeless families this coming winter.
Correct - we already know prayers won't.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#235647 Aug 28, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
Because that self edification is going to feed a lot of hungry and homeless families this coming winter.
BTW - here is but one Atheistic foundation that is helping others GLOABALLY.

Gates Foundation
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/What-We-Do

I wonder what you have done specifically to help others.

From what you post here on Topix - it doesn't seem like you are helping anybody.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#235648 Aug 28, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
1. Kim is worshiped as "dear leader"
2. Benito catholic
3. Dahmer Christian ask his father
4. Jim Jones was a religious nut that murdered his flock
5. Kinsey a definitive report on sex, nothing to do w/atheism
6. Buddhist
7. Stalin Russian orthodox


1. So? He was atheist.
2. Who?
3. Dahmer became a Christian in prison, AFTER he was caught and convicted.
4. Jim Jones was a self-proclaimed atheist.
5. A fraud atheist scientist that did some very weird stuff, including exploiting children for sex.
6. uh.... tater tots!
7. Stalin was also a self-proclaimed atheist.
Most importantly... Atheism embodies no particular ideology, world view or dogma and cannot be justified as any significant factor in the activities of these people.
If anything, the lack of belief in a supernatural overlord leaves one to respect the importance of all of mankind peacefully coexisting, because
unlike in religious doctrine, the penalties one may face for immoral acts are often levied in the material world, during the life of the perpetrator.
Indeed to the founder of communist doctrines, Karl Marx (1818-1883), atheism, was just a stage on the path to communism, and it was ultimately
"unreal" and "no longer needed" by socialism and communism.
This is what Karl Marx himself said about atheism: "Atheism as a denial of this unreality; has no longer any meaning, for atheism is a denial of God and tries to assert through this negation the existence of man; but socialism as such no longer needs this mediation."
Consider this statement carefully!
If Karl Marx, the intellectual founder of Marxism and communism, repudiated atheism as meaningless and no longer needed, how then could atheism be considered the cause of the atrocities committed under communism?
Try harder
Again, so? Nothing you write can change the fact that those murderers were atheist.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#235649 Aug 28, 2014
USN Atheist wrote:
<quoted text>
Explain christians like Hitler, Anders Breivik, Eric Rudolph, and the KKK.
Explain christians like the various catholic popes theough the ages who waged war against non-catholics and non-christians.
Explain the christian "witch-hunters" in Africa.
It is sad to see how they are only bias with just one view.

That is why they are so-called "Christians" - because having multiple viewpoints shows you aren't "steadfast in their faith" - thus, proves they aren't or were never a so-called "Christian" to begin with.

It's their lie - let them tell it anyway they want!

:o)

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#235650 Aug 28, 2014
USN Atheist wrote:
Explain christians like Hitler, Anders Breivik, Eric Rudolph, and the KKK.
Hitler was not a Christian, he was a pagan.

"Today's Protestant church is a joke. Priests in jeans who march for Palestine and churches that look like minimalist shopping centres." -Breivik. He was a radical.

Rudolph is Christian, or so he says. He's a racist from a white nationalist sect. Anything but the norm.
Explain christians like the various catholic popes theough the ages who waged war against non-catholics and non-christians.


You'll have to be more specific. To whom are you referring?
Explain the christian "witch-hunters" in Africa.
What Christian "witch-hunters" in Africa?

Since: May 11

Reality, USA

#235651 Aug 28, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
Dahmer and Kinsey weren't meant to be identified as leaders, just murderous atheists.
I call Jim Jones an atheist because he referred to himself as both an Agnostic and an Atheist. He was well versed on other atheists like Stalin and Marx. Jim Jones did NOT consider himself a Christian.
I beg to differ IRT Jim Jones. http://www.religioustolerance.org/dc_jones.ht...

He may not have been a "christian" as you see one or as I would describe one but nontheless, he believed in "god" and "jesus" as the son of "god".
CunningLinguist

Umatilla, FL

#235652 Aug 28, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
1. So? He was atheist.
2. Who?
3. Dahmer became a Christian in prison, AFTER he was caught and convicted.
4. Jim Jones was a self-proclaimed atheist.
5. A fraud atheist scientist that did some very weird stuff, including exploiting children for sex.
6. uh.... tater tots!
7. Stalin was also a self-proclaimed atheist.
<quoted text>
Again, so? Nothing you write can change the fact that those murderers were atheist.
Where is your compassion for the greatest Mass Murderer of all time.... your very own God?

1. Is worshiped
2. Open a book, Italy circa 1920-1944
3. Again... Open a book. Google His dad's book
4. Jim Jones was an atheist carrying the Bible and preaching ? you're a lunatic.
5. The only frauds are theists
6. Juvenile you should know better
7. Stalin...

The religion and political views of Joseph Stalin. Stalin was raised devout in the Greek Orthodox Church. His parents hoped he would become a priest. He became a religion-suppressing atheist instead.

Theists hold up Communism and Nazism, along with the regime of the Cambodian tyrant Pol Pot, as evidence of murderous “atheist” tyrannies that have caused the deaths of tens of millions. While it may be true that Communism portrayed itself as “godless,” it did not wage war in the name of atheism, nor were its founders and leaders raised as atheists. They were, in fact, preponderantly Jewish and Christian. Communist Manifesto writer Karl Marx was born a Jew, the grandson of two rabbis, and was converted to Christianity at age 6. Leon Trotsky, whose real name was Lev Bronstein, was born and raised a Jew but later declared himself “an internationalist.”

Josef Stalin’s “very religious” mother named him after St. Joseph, and wanted him to become a priest. Stalin himself supposedly claimed that his father had been a priest, and he was purportedly “damaged by violence” while being “raised in a poor priest-ridden household.”

As a youth, Stalin spent five years in a Greek Orthodox seminary, after which he purportedly renounced his religion. In his later years, Stalin apparently embraced Christianity once more.

As Stalin biographer Edvard Radinsky remarks,“During his mysterious retreat [of June 1941] the ex-seminarist had decided to involve the aid of the God he had rejected.” Radinsky likewise chronicles a number of religious comrades in Stalin’s immediate circle. It is evident that, whether for good or bad, religion played a significant role in Stalin’s life.

Since: May 11

Reality, USA

#235653 Aug 28, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
Hitler was not a Christian, he was a pagan.
"Today's Protestant church is a joke. Priests in jeans who march for Palestine and churches that look like minimalist shopping centres." -Breivik. He was a radical.
Rudolph is Christian, or so he says. He's a racist from a white nationalist sect. Anything but the norm.
<quoted text>
You'll have to be more specific. To whom are you referring?
<quoted text>
What Christian "witch-hunters" in Africa?
Hitler was a christian. No need to rose-color glasses it. There are plenty of websites showing the information so I shall not go any further into it.

Breivik - radical? Sure, yet still a believer in the christian faith.

Rudolph - racist? Sure, yet still a believer in the christian faith.

Christian "witch-hunters" in Africa - all you have to do is a little Googling for yourself to find this information.
Thinking

Harlow, UK

#235654 Aug 28, 2014
You call other people's religion's garbage.
I feel the same way about yours.

Of course North Korea is religious - they believe Kim Jong Il performed miracles!
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? "The incredible Kim Jong il"? You expect me to read that garbage?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#235655 Aug 28, 2014
USN Atheist wrote:
<quoted text>
I beg to differ IRT Jim Jones. http://www.religioustolerance.org/dc_jones.ht...
He may not have been a "christian" as you see one or as I would describe one but nontheless, he believed in "god" and "jesus" as the son of "god".
Correct, Jones was not a Christian.

Wrong, Jones thought of himself as God.

"You can be your own God, not in condescension but in resurrection, in upliftment from whatever downtrodden condition you've had to endure.... That I, the God that came from the earth of earth, from the dust of these toilsome fields, from hardship and labor, from the lowest of economic positions, from the poverty near the railroad tracks, I came to show you that the only God you need is withiin you. That's my purpose in being here."

"But in the meantime, I come in the phenomenon of religion to get people out of religion. Of the very God of heaven in all his might and fullness, all the power you say God has, I have come to make one final dissolution, one final elimination of all religious feeling. Until I have eradicated this appeal from the face of the earth, I shall do all those miracles you said your God would do and never did."

Topix Atheists! sound eerily similar...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#235656 Aug 28, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
Where is your compassion for the greatest Mass Murderer of all time.... your very own God?{SNIP}
Impossible. By the very definition of murder, God cannot commit it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#235657 Aug 28, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
5. The only frauds are theists
This is why I'm finding out that rational debate is impossible with a person as ignorant and stubborn as you.

1. There is no doubt that Kinsey was an atheist.
2. There is no doubt that Kinsey was a fraud.
Thinking

Harlow, UK

#235658 Aug 28, 2014
Religitards believe god drowned every baby not on the ark.

Does that belief contribute to religious child abuse?
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
Impossible. By the very definition of murder, God cannot commit it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#235659 Aug 28, 2014
USN Atheist wrote:
1. Hitler was a christian. No need to rose-color glasses it. There are plenty of websites showing the information so I shall not go any further into it.

2. Breivik - radical? Sure, yet still a believer in the christian faith.

3. Rudolph - racist? Sure, yet still a believer in the christian faith.

4. Christian "witch-hunters" in Africa - all you have to do is a little Googling for yourself to find this information.

1. Hitler murdered Christians, shut down Christian churches, replaced the Bible is schools with Mein Kampf, etc.

"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity."
"Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure"
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death"
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains"
"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity"

Please don't waste anyone's time quoting any of Hitler's political propaganda speeches, back in the 20s he was already in the know about the power of propaganda:

"The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision. The whole art consists in doing this so skilfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself … its effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect… it's soundness is to be measured exclusively by its effective result"

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2. And as such does not represent Christianity. No more than a rapist who is American represents Americans in general.

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3. And as such does not represent Christianity. No more than a rapist who is American represents Americans in general.

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4. There's a "popular" video that has a flashy title of something along the lines of "African Christians burn witches". Is that what your referring to? If so you might want to rethink it. There's nothing in those videos to show that the aggressors are Christian. Nothing.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235660 Aug 28, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Religitards believe god drowned every baby not on the ark.
Does that belief contribute to religious child abuse?
<quoted text>
If you were on the Titanic and was given an opportunity to get yourself and your entire family in a life boat and you refused. Would that have been God’s fault or yours for not making an effort to save your family?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#235661 Aug 28, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Religitards believe god drowned every baby not on the ark.
Does that belief contribute to religious child abuse?
<quoted text>
Who believes what did what to whom on the what?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#235662 Aug 28, 2014
Thinking wrote:
You call other people's religion's garbage.
Wrong.

I called your crappy news article garbage.

Because it's garbage.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235663 Aug 28, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is your compassion for the greatest Mass Murderer of all time.... your very own God?
1. Is worshiped
2. Open a book, Italy circa 1920-1944
3. Again... Open a book. Google His dad's book
4. Jim Jones was an atheist carrying the Bible and preaching ? you're a lunatic.
5. The only frauds are theists
6. Juvenile you should know better
7. Stalin...
The religion and political views of Joseph Stalin. Stalin was raised devout in the Greek Orthodox Church. His parents hoped he would become a priest. He became a religion-suppressing atheist instead.
Theists hold up Communism and Nazism, along with the regime of the Cambodian tyrant Pol Pot, as evidence of murderous “atheist” tyrannies that have caused the deaths of tens of millions. While it may be true that Communism portrayed itself as “godless,” it did not wage war in the name of atheism, nor were its founders and leaders raised as atheists. They were, in fact, preponderantly Jewish and Christian. Communist Manifesto writer Karl Marx was born a Jew, the grandson of two rabbis, and was converted to Christianity at age 6. Leon Trotsky, whose real name was Lev Bronstein, was born and raised a Jew but later declared himself “an internationalist.”
Josef Stalin’s “very religious” mother named him after St. Joseph, and wanted him to become a priest. Stalin himself supposedly claimed that his father had been a priest, and he was purportedly “damaged by violence” while being “raised in a poor priest-ridden household.”
As a youth, Stalin spent five years in a Greek Orthodox seminary, after which he purportedly renounced his religion. In his later years, Stalin apparently embraced Christianity once more.
As Stalin biographer Edvard Radinsky remarks,“During his mysterious retreat [of June 1941] the ex-seminarist had decided to involve the aid of the God he had rejected.” Radinsky likewise chronicles a number of religious comrades in Stalin’s immediate circle. It is evident that, whether for good or bad, religion played a significant role in Stalin’s life.
"It is evident that, whether for good or bad, religion played a significant role in Stalin’s life."

And so did Atheism.

Jim Jones was an Atheist. Good luck rewriting history because it says something different than what you are claiming.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235664 Aug 28, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
That dog wont hunt Eagle
There are no true Bible experts because no one can interpret it. I took the time to read it - that was enough.
In order to understand any given mythology , you first study what it's about.
Everyone knows what Christianity is about...
Some believe it others don't... if I don't.
"We love death. The USA loves life. That is the difference between us two"
~ Osama bin Laden
“It is a heretic that makes the fire, not she which burns in it.”~Shakespeare
“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”~Steven Weinberg (physicist and Nobel Laureate)
“Religion is an insult to human dignity." ???

Shouldn't you tell that to all the kids religious charities feed every month? Then tell them you don't have anything to give them because Atheism doesn't believe in giving to the humanities.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235665 Aug 28, 2014
USN Atheist wrote:
<quoted text>
Were it not for an atheist(s), you would not be posting here...or anywhere.
:)
The message of hope would be posted. The message of hopelessness wouldn't. And hopelessness is what Atheism is all about.

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