Former Jehovah's elder on sex assault...

Former Jehovah's elder on sex assault charge

There are 169 comments on the Canberra Times story from Feb 18, 2013, titled Former Jehovah's elder on sex assault charge. In it, Canberra Times reports that:

A FORMER Jehovah's Witness elder who apologised to his alleged victim on Facebook has been charged with two counts of indecent assault.

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Tao itness

United States

#65 Feb 26, 2013
Nomi wrote:
Its hard to determine what is and is not true. Many lies are told about JW's.
It can be challenging,but with this incredible resourse at our fingertips ,much can be dicerned. Also prayerful meditation on scripture and being honest with ourselves about Gods mind on things. For example ,it can be accertained that the watchtower has been paying out millions a year at about a million dollars a victimso that certain cases never make it to trial. The Watchtower lawyers have also made a condition of the settlement that the victims are not allowed to discuss what happened by sighning a gag order. Then we can use deductive logic. The Watchtower leaders have said that the reason they did this was to not bring any more reproach on Gods name. We also know we bring reproach on Gods name Bat least one way,is claiming we represent God yet we do things that break Principles of morality,justice,love and so on. So we can ask ourselves a question. If the behaviour or regulations of the governing body or their representitives was not complicitous in the abusing of the child. Or they were not guilty of contributing to the victim,is it right to give these professed victims money to not bring the Watchtower to court. Well if they did no wrong they are basically paying blackmail money to a person threatening to make things difficult for them,or it could be likened to paying protection money to someone threatening to make things more difficult for them. This is done with money that has been entrusted to them for spreading Gods Word. Claiming to be faithful and wise or disreet,is it dicresionary or wise to pay someone money if they are thretening you with court or even if they misunderstood where the responsibility lies? Wouldnt this bring unscrupulous people out of the woodwork seing if they wrongly accuse the leadership in Brooklyn of doing something wrong they can become a millionare? Or maybe since in a civil trial the burden of proof lies with the defendant they thought even if they are innocent of con
Tao itness

United States

#66 Feb 26, 2013
(cont..) contributing to the abuse of the victim the accuser could be awarded significantly more money by a jury or judge? But this brings into question their faith. God promises to protect His chosen ones. Jesus tells us said we would not be tested beyond we could bear. Also The exsample of Jesus paying the temple tax so as to not stumble anyone,even when ]eter discerned they should not be required to pay the tax,then the money was miraculously granted them,showing If we do the right thing,God will make sure we are covered. So more than likely, Watchtower policies have contributed to the sexual abuse of children within the congregation by their policy of requireing two witnesses in a case where the perpetrator rarely admits to it. Also treating it as a sin and not a crime by not reporting it to the proper authorities that are trained to discern wheather a crime occured or not. If they (the Gov body/elders) felt that maybe an injustice may occur wherein an innocent brother was accused of something he did not do. They should of given them the advice they gave countless children and their families when they failed to act in the childs behalf:'wait on Jehovah!' One thing in my opinion would have nipped this in the bud and kept this from spiralling out of control and kept it from a potential cost of tens to hudreds of millions of dollars. And if they would have taken jehovah and Jesus' words as seriously as the two witness rule tfrom the mosaic law and heeded Gods warning that it is every Christians responsibility to look after the weak and innocent,to make sure justice is carried out for them. Treating molestation as a crime and not just a sin. If a brother saw a brother murder another brother and went to the elders about it,even if the murderer denied it,the elder would tell the brother to go to the police and if he didnt the elder himself would have to go. The fact is for decades the standard procedure for a molestation accustion where the brother didnt confess and no witness was available. They would not only tak
Tao itness

United States

#67 Feb 26, 2013
(cont..) they would not only take no action against the accused,but they would threaten the family and victim with reproof and disfellowshipping if they repeated the allegations to anyone including authorities,for slander and bringing reproach on Jehovahs name. In cases where their is a known predator in their midst,Jesus admonition to openly confess youre sins to one another ,should be applied. It would do three things #1It would show true repentence on the part of the offender.#2 it would protect the congrgation since all would be aware of it. And#3 it would keep the offender in check since all would know if he\she was exhibiting questionable behaviour no matter where they were,further protecting the congregation and householders and their children in the feild. Besides these the crime is a shame based one that many times the perps mind is trapped in . Further exposing it to the light of day along with others in the cong ,including elders pioneers and even the 'slave' themselves openly confessing their sins,takes away fear,shame,guilt things sin feeds on. When sin is exposed to the light of day instead of the darkness of hiding it or sweeping it under the rug,it loses much of its power. Just ask anyone in a 12 step program!
Tao itness

United States

#68 Feb 26, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
Jehovah's witnesses are still the only religion that is
united world wide as spiritual brothers and sisters as
the visible earthly family of Jehovah God, no other religion can say and prove that is true.
1Timothy 2:4,5
Jehovah's witnesses have enough track record to prove they are living as true Christians, obeying the instructions of Jesus to be pure worshippers of Jehovah God as Jesus was. John 14:31
Over 7 million dedicated and baptized true Christians doing the will of Jehovah God, people who are meek and humble don't have any problem understanding the truth.
Only the cynic and bigot or ridiculer spouts lies and hates to see peaceful evidence of God's people, they are jealous because they have no hope for their future. Hope is a gift from Jehovah God and is not
the possession of all people. Colossians 1:27
The servant of the Lord...must be kindly to everyone and mild tempered...He must correct his opponents with courtesy and gentleness,in the hope that God may grant that they will repent and come to know the truth. And that they may come to their senses and escape out of the snare of the devil,henceforth to do Gods will.2Tim2:24-26. Why is it so many JWs do not address valid points in a post,but respond with all or nothing thinking,self righteousness,judgementalism and vitriol,when these attitudes run contrary to what Christ and His followers taught? More evidence this people honor God with their lips but their hearts are far removed from him.
Tao itness

United States

#69 Feb 26, 2013
And the Jws disappear.
Daniel a Slave of Christ

Odessa, TX

#70 Feb 27, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
Jehovah's witnesses are still the only religion that is
united world wide as spiritual brothers and sisters as
the visible earthly family of Jehovah God, no other religion can say and prove that is true.
1Timothy 2:4,5
Jehovah's witnesses have enough track record to prove they are living as true Christians, obeying the instructions of Jesus to be pure worshippers of Jehovah God as Jesus was. John 14:31
Over 7 million dedicated and baptized true Christians doing the will of Jehovah God, people who are meek and humble don't have any problem understanding the truth.
Only the cynic and bigot or ridiculer spouts lies and hates to see peaceful evidence of God's people, they are jealous because they have no hope for their future. Hope is a gift from Jehovah God and is not
the possession of all people. Colossians 1:27
The erroneous thinking of WTS members and other Christian's is to compare evil against evil, good against good, but this is not God's standard of truth!

Christ stated the truth, and who we are to compare ourselves against, which is:“A good tree “cannot” produce bad fruit, and a corrupt tree “cannot” produce good fruit.”

Those our God's righteous standards. Christ Jesus did not say you could have a some evil and good on your tree of everlasting life now did he?

Now any truth lover, no matter what religion they are in should take pause and be thankful for God forgiveness through Christ Jesus knowing they have both fruit upon them needing God's help. Now if you take both fruit and build it into a massive religious organization it does not get rid of the evil fruit by corporate justification.

The WTS is no better than other religions even if they use words like clean, truth, or God chosen people, they are not the tree of life, having only good fruit, the truth is on their branches, you cannot hid it by words.

Haggai 2:12 'If someone carries holy meat in the fold of his garment, and with his fold touches bread, stew, wine, oil, or any food, will it become holy?'" The priests answered, "No."

1 Peter 3:21 This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Tao itness

United States

#71 Feb 27, 2013
......crickets chirping......
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#72 Feb 27, 2013
There are many people who read Topix and are just curious about religion, and many who are not Jehovah's witnesses and want to see how Jehovah's witnesses tick.

These are the people that I want to help, not those who already believe they are saved and don't need to be an active member of the world wide united spiritual family of Jesus, working out their salavation and ministry for Jehovah God.

Your time left is very short, I would suggest you find a better use for your time, than belittle Almighty God Jehovah's established truth for survival of the end of this world.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#73 Feb 27, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
There are many people who read Topix and are just curious about religion, and many who are not Jehovah's witnesses and want to see how Jehovah's witnesses tick.
These are the people that I want to help, not those who already believe they are saved and don't need to be an active member of the world wide united spiritual family of Jesus, working out their salavation and ministry for Jehovah God.
Your time left is very short, I would suggest you find a better use for your time, than belittle Almighty God Jehovah's established truth for survival of the end of this world.
TCW, you are here against the wishes of your GB aka F&DS, why? Are you having doubts and reading what those of us who are saved have to say? I hope you are because you will never find salvation in the Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, but only in Jesus Christ. the bible never mentions any organization of Jehovah's witnesses, this is a teaching that Rutherford started. He began many things that brought your religion to ruin, had he left Russell's teachings alone, it would have been closer to the truth.
Most of us are not trying to belittle Jehovah, but share with everyone how he sent his son Jesus Christ to die for ALL of us, not just a few named Jehovah's Witnesses. All through the bible it tells us that in order to be saved, we must believe in his Son. And when we do truly Believe, he will give us eternal life. Show me please one scripture that says I must be a JW to be saved. Show me one scripture that says Jehovah has an organization on earth. If you are truly here to help those of us who you say are lost, then it is your responsibility to show me those scriptures. You don't want my blood on your hands, do you? Just show me those scriptures and I will return to the KH today and ask to be forgiven.
Tao itness

United States

#74 Feb 27, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
I do not communicate with people who are haters of Jehovah's witnesses, and who hate the spiritual family of Jehovah God.
Jehovahs Witnesses are commanded by the Governing Body to not discuss anything with those that were members of the organisation and now disagree with them ,even calling them apostate. Most JWs obey this directive. This just shows the Witnesses follow the commands of men over the exsample of Jesus. When on earth Jesus never shied away from debating with the apostate religous leaders of His day. Jesus even debated scripture with the original apostate Satan himself. JWs never think of this until it is brought to their attention,even though they are all familliar with the exsample Christ set. It is just one of many exsamples of how witnesses follow the commands of men over the clear exsample of Christ. The religous leaders and even the devil could not stand up to the light of truth. Most high control cults forbid their members from communication with former members for fear of being exposed. Just as Satan left Jesus alone after being exposed to truth,it is darkness that fears light,not the other way around! Think about it!
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#75 Feb 27, 2013
Jehovah's witnesses who take the lead in teaching Jehovah God's people, do not tell one another what to do. They do offer Scriptural suggestions for our benefit, and as I am obedient to Jesus, I am looking for sheep not goats, that means all those who are against me as Jehovah's witness.

This lie that Jehovah's witnesses are not suppose to be on the internet is just that. I am not conversing with people who are dead spiritually, for that is what you are if you are disfellowshipped or have left the congregation of J.W.'s.

Being hateful of Jehovah's witnesses is normal, when you are facing the second death, by not being in the family of Jesus our King.
Revelation 20:15

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#76 Feb 27, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
Jehovah's witnesses who take the lead in teaching Jehovah God's people, do not tell one another what to do. They do offer Scriptural suggestions for our benefit, and as I am obedient to Jesus, I am looking for sheep not goats, that means all those who are against me as Jehovah's witness.
This lie that Jehovah's witnesses are not suppose to be on the internet is just that. I am not conversing with people who are dead spiritually, for that is what you are if you are disfellowshipped or have left the congregation of J.W.'s.
Being hateful of Jehovah's witnesses is normal, when you are facing the second death, by not being in the family of Jesus our King.
Revelation 20:15
You are so blinded by the truth. The GB does tell you not to be on forums like this and all you have to do is ask an Elder, show one of them this forum, tell them who comes here, DFed, DAed, and apostates. Then you will get the truth about the fact that you should not be here. This is not a JW website, its TOPIX.

Having left the organization of JWs does not mean we have left Jehovah, that is a lie the GB aka F&DS tells you to keep you in. All you will lose is your family and friends who will show that conditional love they have for you, and the lies you are taught by the GB aka F&DS. Losing the lies is a great thing, but losing your family and friends is what has kept so many in that really want to leave. Those who know that Jesus is more important than family and friends, give them up for Him.

Being hatefilled for those who have left the organization is normal as well, it is what you are taught to do by your GB aka F&DS, but it is not what Jesus told us to do is it? Are you going to follow men, or Jesus?
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#78 Feb 27, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
I am looking for sheep not goats, that means all those who are against me as Jehovah's witness.
When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
Matthew 25:31-33

I didn't know who you were when I said you are a deaf, dumb and blind cultist under the Watchtower's hypnotic spell.

I am so sorry.

Please don't put me on the left side.
Tao itness

United States

#79 Feb 27, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
Jehovah's witnesses who take the lead in teaching Jehovah God's people, do not tell one another what to do. They do offer Scriptural suggestions for our benefit, and as I am obedient to Jesus, I am looking for sheep not goats, that means all those who are against me as Jehovah's witness.
This lie that Jehovah's witnesses are not suppose to be on the internet is just that. I am not conversing with people who are dead spiritually, for that is what you are if you are disfellowshipped or have left the congregation of J.W.'s.
Being hateful of Jehovah's witnesses is normal, when you are facing the second death, by not being in the family of Jesus our King.
Revelation 20:15
Youre posts make many asumptions and judgements of people and their spiritual lives. Instead of addressing my posts that Are based on fact andproper application of scripture.You make assertions,blanket statements and ad hominem attacks which are feeble debating techniques used when someone is lacking in factual counter argument. Also ,as is usual with JWs relativeisms and half truths are used such as when you say no one tells JWs not to use the internet.I never said this! What you are inplying is that JWs are not told what to do,or made to do anything,which is relatively true,but you know there are consequenses! A JW insisting on communicating with a disfellowshipped one will more than likely be disfellowshipped him self,being cut off from family and friends within the org. According to Gods word those who stumble Gods sheep might as well put a millstone around their neck and jump in the sea! The fact is the policies on child abuse instituted by the Governing Body has harmed children and stumbled many .They would not be paying out millions in dollars a year to silence the victims of molestation if they were not complicitous. While at the same time claim to be on Isaiahs highway of Holiness/spiritual paradise where no predators or fools even step foot. This and many other ungodlike things they have done ....
Tao itness

United States

#80 Feb 27, 2013
Along with prophetic dishonesty disproves that the Watchtower org isnot run and approved by Yahweh and His Christ! To say so is an insult to Them and blasphemy against the Spirit. Its so{mething yo wouLd be wise to consider.

“email at [email protected]

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#81 Feb 27, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
There are many people who read Topix and are just curious about religion, and many who are not Jehovah's witnesses and want to see how Jehovah's witnesses tick.
These are the people that I want to help, not those who already believe they are saved and don't need to be an active member of the world wide united spiritual family of Jesus, working out their salavation and ministry for Jehovah God.
Your time left is very short, I would suggest you find a better use for your time, than belittle Almighty God Jehovah's established truth for survival of the end of this world.
ihv ad i am here for one reason too.. to expose the lies of the wt so people dont get involved in such a occultic cult.

yea i said occult.... because there is lots of evidence that the leaders are into the occult
will

Since: Mar 09

United States

#82 Feb 27, 2013
Any proof?
Tao itness wrote:
Along with prophetic dishonesty disproves that the Watchtower org isnot run and approved by Yahweh and His Christ! To say so is an insult to Them and blasphemy against the Spirit. Its so{mething yo wouLd be wise to consider.

“email at [email protected]

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#83 Feb 27, 2013
Nomi wrote:
Any proof?
<quoted text>
ihv nomi you have seen the proof of false prophecie and false teachings and lies and deciet... your only problem is you refuse to accept the truth..

we can only do so much.. the rest ultimately falls on your own shoulders and heart.. a cold heart wont work...
will
Tao itness

United States

#84 Feb 28, 2013
Nomi wrote:
Any proof?
<quoted text>
WOW! Youve been here a while and there are reams of evidence to back up much of whats said here ,but I'll give you one brazen exsample: To back up the the Watchtowers doctrine that the gentile times(time of the nations) ended in 1914, they have used the years pagan king Nebrukanezzar went mad and counted each day for a year to calculate this date. Besides the precarious notion that the king of Babylon falling corrolates with Gods chosen nation not ruling there is a problem with the time they start counting. They claim that it begins with the FIRST destruction of Isreal in 607BC(which is also a problem since most scholars believe this to be 587)But this claim IS AN OUT RIGHT LIE! ;How so? Well lets go to Jesus words and see what He clearly states. The ONLY TIME the phrase gentile times or time of the nations is used is Luke21 :24 that Jerusalem WILL BE trampled on by the nations,until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled. So Jesus here states the time of the nations is a future event. So he is talking about Jerusalems utter destruction in 70CE nearly 40 years after Christs death. Are we sure? Well jesus couldnt make it any clearer! Start reading in verse 20 and see how many times Jesus own words confirm this is a future event ....(cont.)....
Tao itness

United States

#85 Feb 28, 2013
Luke 21:20 "Furthermore WHEN you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies ,then know that the desolation of her has DRAWN NEAR." so two times Jesus uses future tense to describe when the gentile times were to begin. Also Jerusalem was not surrounded by encamped armies in 607,Babylon at that time just marched in and defeated the Jews. In 70CE they were surrounded by encamped armies because before they razed the city,the Romans built an enclosure of pointed stakes around the entire city. Verse 21 "THEN let those in Judea begin fleeingto the mountains,and those in the midst of her withdraw and let those in the country places not enter into her." Here again Jesus uses future tense language and after the Romans surrounded Jerusalem they halted their invasion for a few years and those that rememberd Jesus words left the city. In 607(583) the Jews had no escape. Also since the Romans left for a while He warned those outside the city not to go in,something that could not apply to its earlier destruction since the Babylonians just marched in and destoyed it. Verse 24;"and THEY WILL fall by the edge of the sword and BE LED captive into all the nations..." Here again future tense is used twice and in the first destruction the Jews were exiled to Babylon. In 70CE the Jews were sold as slaves all over the world. One of the reasons Jews are i nearly in every nation on the planet.....(cont).....

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