Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256389 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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“SATYAMEV JAYATE-TRUTH WINS ”

Since: Mar 14

JUBAIL, KSA

#205138 Apr 12, 2014
El Cid wrote:
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http://listverse.com/2010/02/25/top-10-bizarr...
The Fatwa: Grand Mufti Sheikh Ibn Baaz: The Sun Revolves Around the Earth
In a 2000 Fatwa titled “The Transmitted and Sensory Proofs of the Rotation of the Sun and Stillness of the Earth”, Saudi Arabian Grand Mufti Sheikh Ibn Baaz asserted that the earth was flat and disk-like and that the sun revolved around it. He had insisted that satellite images to the contrary were nothing but a Western conspiracy against the Islamic world.
Source: Al-Ahram Weekly Issue 477, 13-19 April, 2000.
Do you know this guy?
Why you pick up on Grand Mufti? What your Bible says about it?

Grand Mufti is after all a human being and his deductions are his own, what about Bible which is Word of God?

What is says on this subject?

First get your own house in order!!
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#205139 Apr 12, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
Why you pick up on Grand Mufti? What your Bible says about it?
Grand Mufti is after all a human being and his deductions are his own, what about Bible which is Word of God?
What is says on this subject?
First get your own house in order!!
You're the one who wrote, "In Islam we speak clearly and logically.... simple things which people can understand.," which is why I posted this:

The Fatwa: Grand Mufti Sheikh Ibn Baaz: The Sun Revolves Around the Earth

In a 2000 Fatwa titled “The Transmitted and Sensory Proofs of the Rotation of the Sun and Stillness of the Earth”, Saudi Arabian Grand Mufti Sheikh Ibn Baaz asserted that the earth was flat and disk-like and that the sun revolved around it. He had insisted that satellite images to the contrary were nothing but a Western conspiracy against the Islamic world.

Source: Al-Ahram Weekly Issue 477, 13-19 April, 2000.

Do you know this guy?
__________
BTW, Mohammad was also a human being whose deductions were his own, and you can't prove otherwise.







JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#205140 Apr 12, 2014
BUFORD,

Why can't you just let go of this never-ending tussle with Islam.

You focus on Jesus and let them concentrate on Muhammad-Allah.

If at all you must communicate with the Muslims, do so where common teachings from the NT and Quran overlap to create a nice synthesis.

Please stop your arguments.

Introduce an intelligent topic for debate for a change.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#205141 Apr 12, 2014
DUALISTIC ECHAD & NONSENSE FROM MOSES MAIMONIDES

*Maimonides identified minut with atheism, with the denial of God's unity and incorporeality, with the denial of creation ex nihilo, and with the belief in a power intermediary between God and man.

-(Yad, Teshuvah 3:7).

JOEL: Atheism has its plus and minus points.

Religion, too, is a mixture of good and bad.

Reality is beyond the twain of atheism and religion.

God's unity, or echad, is mumbo jumbo if by unity of G-d is meant a singular object with its attributes intact of worship chosen from a multitude of competing Gods as it is the case with Judaism.

This chosen deity of the Hebrews, the singular or the one chosen from a multitude of Babylonian deities, becomes the object of worship in whom all the divine attributes are unified - an echad.

The idea of Echad, despite its unification of the attributes of the chosen G-d into an indivisible oneness, is still dualistic and refers to the extra-cosmic deity who does not have a causal link with the cosmos that he supposedly created from nothing and which he supposedly lords over.

I wonder what Maimonides meant by "incorporeality"?

What is this incorporeal substance he refers to?

Is it the Ruach HakoDesh? If so what is it? How does it connect with energy?

Creation ex nihilo is rubbish since effect is nothing else but the cause in manifestation without loss of information.

What is meant by an "intermediary" between man and G-d?

How can there exist an "intermediary" between man and G-d when there does not exist a causal link between the two in view of the acceptance of the irrational doctrine of creation ex nihilo by Maimonides.
uhuh

Spain

#205142 Apr 12, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrar y.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_000 2_0009_0_08791.html
Some identify the talmudic minim with the Judeo-Christians, others with unspecified groups who denied rabbinic authority and/or the belief in the coming of the Messiah.
There is an early tradition that there were 24 groups of minim...
yes they are all minim, INCLUDING those who believe in the "divinity of Jesus"

"Minim are... those who accept that there is one God, but maintains that He has a body or form" (Yad, Teshuvah 3:7)
uhuh

Spain

#205143 Apr 12, 2014
and these texts from the mss are now censored for good pr,

"It is a mitzvah to kill jewish moserim, minim and apikorsim... such as the followers of Yeshua ha-nozri (christians), Tzadok (sadducees) and Baytus (boethusians)" (Yad, Avodah Kochavim 10:1)

"Minim are students of Yeshu ha-nozri who denied the words of the living God" (Rashi's notes on talmud Rosh haShanah 17a)

"Those seduced by the falsehood of Yeshu and his disciples are called minim" (Rashi's notes on talmud Sotah 49b)

“SATYAMEV JAYATE-TRUTH WINS ”

Since: Mar 14

JUBAIL, KSA

#205144 Apr 13, 2014
El Cid wrote:
<quoted text>You're the one who wrote, "In Islam we speak clearly and logically.... simple things which people can understand.," which is why I posted this:
The Fatwa: Grand Mufti Sheikh Ibn Baaz: The Sun Revolves Around the Earth
In a 2000 Fatwa titled “The Transmitted and Sensory Proofs of the Rotation of the Sun and Stillness of the Earth”, Saudi Arabian Grand Mufti Sheikh Ibn Baaz asserted that the earth was flat and disk-like and that the sun revolved around it. He had insisted that satellite images to the contrary were nothing but a Western conspiracy against the Islamic world.
Source: Al-Ahram Weekly Issue 477, 13-19 April, 2000.
Do you know this guy?
__________
BTW, Mohammad was also a human being whose deductions were his own, and you can't prove otherwise.
Again you are confusing the issue, tell us what your Bible says on this subject.

What Grand Mufti said or what he did not say is not what matters, talk about the scriptures.
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#205150 Apr 13, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
BUFORD,
Why can't you just let go of this never-ending tussle with Islam.
You focus on Jesus and let them concentrate on Muhammad-Allah.
If at all you must communicate with the Muslims, do so where common teachings from the NT and Quran overlap to create a nice synthesis.
Please stop your arguments.
Introduce an intelligent topic for debate for a change.
JOEL,

You are one strange bird. First you thoroughly trash Jesus and Mohammad with your specious "argunents," and then you seek a "nice synthesis" of their respective teachings!

The genius from Singapore begs to differ. He writes: "And under us, the Old and the New Testament stand abrogated and superseded by Qur'aan"
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8... ,

I didn't exactly ask you if believe that spontaneous generation of life forms STILL OCCURS TODAY.
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#205151 Apr 13, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Again you are confusing the issue, tell us what your Bible says on this subject.
What Grand Mufti said or what he did not say is not what matters, talk about the scriptures.
http://www.gotquestions.org/fl at-earth-Bible.html

Question: "Does the Bible teach that the earth is flat?"

Answer: Many a skeptic claims that the Bible depicts a flat earth. Scriptural references such as Revelation 7:1 are cited, which speaks of “four angels standing at the four corners of the earth.” However, this passage makes reference to the cardinal directions as seen on a compass – i.e. north, south, east and west. Terminology to a similar effect is used today when we speak of the sun rising and setting each day, even though we know that it is, in fact, the earth which orbits around the sun.

Another passage often referred to is Psalm 75:3, which speaks of God holding the pillars firm. However, the psalms are written in the poetry genre. Rather than referring to literal pillars, this is representative of God’s guaranteeing the earth’s stability. Even when the moral order of the world seems to have crumbled, God will not fully withdraw His sustaining power.

In contrast to the supposed “flat earth” verses, there are numerous Scriptures that clearly indicate otherwise. The earth is described in Job 26:7 as being suspended over empty space, implying a spherical figure. This notion is further entertained in Isaiah 40:21-22, which refers to “the circle of the earth.” This is further supported by Proverbs 8:27 (NKJV), which speaks of God drawing a circle on the face of the deep. From a “bird’s-eye view” of the ocean, the horizon is seen as a circle. Such an observation indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins, describing the reality of day and night on a spherical earth.

The round-earth idea is further supported by Jesus in Luke 17:31,34:“In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back...I tell you, in that night there will be two people in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left.” This would seem to indicate the phenomenon of day on one side of the globe while darkness abides on the other.

In conclusion, the curvature of the earth is certainly a biblical concept, and there is little or no basis for the charge that the Bible teaches a flat earth. The Scriptures that seem to present a flat earth can all easily be explained when correctly interpreted and understood.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/flat-earth-Bible....
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#205152 Apr 13, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
In Islam we speak clearly and logically.... simple things which people can understand.
http://quran.com/67/5

And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with stars and have made [from] them what is thrown at the devils and have prepared for them the punishment of the Blaze.
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#205153 Apr 13, 2014
uhuh wrote:
and these texts from the mss are now censored for good pr,
"It is a mitzvah to kill jewish moserim, minim and apikorsim... such as the followers of Yeshua ha-nozri (christians), Tzadok (sadducees) and Baytus (boethusians)" (Yad, Avodah Kochavim 10:1)
"Minim are students of Yeshu ha-nozri who denied the words of the living God" (Rashi's notes on talmud Rosh haShanah 17a)
"Those seduced by the falsehood of Yeshu and his disciples are called minim" (Rashi's notes on talmud Sotah 49b)
Gee, how many other texts from the mss are now censored for good pr., that is, in order to maintain the financial and military support of those damned fool Christians (US based, mainly) who protect the State of Israel from being annihilated by other fire-breathing minim (Mohammadans)?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#205154 Apr 13, 2014
El Cid wrote:
Who are Eliezer, Meir, and Tarfon? Are they prophets?
Classic!Great!

Such silly questions can only be asked by a Christian and nobody else.

Next time, read and understand before hitting the keyboard. Uhuh mentioned the names of the Rabbis.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#205155 Apr 13, 2014
El Cid wrote:
Gee, how many other texts from the mss are now censored for good pr., that is, in order to maintain the financial and military support of those damned fool Christians (US based, mainly) who protect the State of Israel from being annihilated by other fire-breathing minim (Mohammadans)?
You are right. Those damned fool US Christians should stop the financial aid and military support to Israel. The fools should spend that money on their own sick and old citizens.

Having destroyed the religion of Jews and having butchered the God of Israel, what do they gain by supporting Israel?

The Israelis are safe within the Green Zone. By Green Zone, I mean the Muslim world. Your bloody administrations and the old hags at the Capitol Hill use the Arab world as a bogey man. Dirty and filthy politics is continuously played by the American Admins.

Fire-breathing Minims were the Church, her filthy Popes and European Christians, who persecuted and slaughtered the Jews most.

The Western Minims cannot breathe out fire or cough out fire as they have been tamed after WWII.

If Israel had been created in Nevada, you guys would have finished it by now.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#205156 Apr 13, 2014
El Cid wrote:
<quoted text> http://www.gotquestions.org/flat-earth-Bible....
Question: "Does the Bible teach that the earth is flat?"

Answer: Many a skeptic claims that the Bible depicts a flat earth. Scriptural references such as Revelation 7:1 are cited, which speaks of “four angels standing at the four corners of the earth.” However, this passage makes reference to the cardinal directions as seen on a compass – i.e. north, south, east and west. Terminology to a similar effect is used today when we speak of the sun rising and setting each day, even though we know that it is, in fact, the earth which orbits around the sun.

Another passage often referred to is Psalm 75:3, which speaks of God holding the pillars firm. However, the psalms are written in the poetry genre. Rather than referring to literal pillars, this is representative of God’s guaranteeing the earth’s stability. Even when the moral order of the world seems to have crumbled, God will not fully withdraw His sustaining power.
In contrast to the supposed “flat earth” verses, there are numerous Scriptures that clearly indicate otherwise.

The earth is described in Job 26:7 as being suspended over empty space, implying a spherical figure. This notion is further entertained in Isaiah 40:21-22, which refers to “the circle of the earth.” This is further supported by Proverbs 8:27 (NKJV), which speaks of God drawing a circle on the face of the deep. From a “bird’s-eye view” of the ocean, the horizon is seen as a circle. Such an observation indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins, describing the reality of day and night on a spherical earth.

The round-earth idea is further supported by Jesus in Luke 17:31,34:“In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back...I tell you, in that night there will be two people in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left.” This would seem to indicate the phenomenon of day on one side of the globe while darkness abides on the other.
In conclusion, the curvature of the earth is certainly a biblical concept, and there is little or no basis for the charge that the Bible teaches a flat earth. The Scriptures that seem to present a flat earth can all easily be explained when correctly interpreted and understood.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/flat-earth-Bible....
And the ignorant fools do not know that Qur'aan is also written in the form of prose and poetry.

If you can understand the poetry in Psalms, how come you cannot understand and appreciate the poetry in Qur'aan?

The point is what is good for the goose is also good for the gander. The language of Qur'aan is also poetic, figurative and metaphorical but when it comes to Qur'aan, you fools fail to understand. Why?

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#205157 Apr 13, 2014
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
And the ignorant fools do not know that Qur'aan is also written in the form of prose and poetry.
If you can understand the poetry in Psalms, how come you cannot understand and appreciate the poetry in Qur'aan?
The point is what is good for the goose is also good for the gander. The language of Qur'aan is also poetic, figurative and metaphorical but when it comes to Qur'aan, you fools fail to understand. Why?
Because the Quran is not the inspired word of God.
The Quran is filled with commands that persecute and kill the soul of man.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons.- 9:41

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.- 9:73

It is evident that the worship of Allah by Muslims is not convincing to non-believer's that Muslims are worshiping the God of the universe..
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#205160 Apr 13, 2014
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Classic!Great!
Such silly questions can only be asked by a Christian and nobody else.
Next time, read and understand before hitting the keyboard. Uhuh mentioned the names of the Rabbis.
It never occurred to your eminence to ask who these gentleman are, but you are most pleased to insult me for asking, you idiot.
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#205161 Apr 13, 2014
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right. Those damned fool US Christians should stop the financial aid and military support to Israel. The fools should spend that money on their own sick and old citizens.
Having destroyed the religion of Jews and having butchered the God of Israel, what do they gain by supporting Israel?
The Israelis are safe within the Green Zone. By Green Zone, I mean the Muslim world. Your bloody administrations and the old hags at the Capitol Hill use the Arab world as a bogey man. Dirty and filthy politics is continuously played by the American Admins.
Fire-breathing Minims were the Church, her filthy Popes and European Christians, who persecuted and slaughtered the Jews most.
The Western Minims cannot breathe out fire or cough out fire as they have been tamed after WWII.
If Israel had been created in Nevada, you guys would have finished it by now.
You are as clueless as they come, IslamoIDIOT.
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#205162 Apr 13, 2014
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
And the ignorant fools do not know that Qur'aan is also written in the form of prose and poetry.
If you can understand the poetry in Psalms, how come you cannot understand and appreciate the poetry in Qur'aan?
The point is what is good for the goose is also good for the gander. The language of Qur'aan is also poetic, figurative and metaphorical but when it comes to Qur'aan, you fools fail to understand. Why?
IDIOT,

I posted a fatwa from a MUSLIM that asserted the flatness of the earth, but instead of addressing it, as MUQ did, you go off on your usual stupid smear laden tangent.

“SATYAMEV JAYATE-TRUTH WINS ”

Since: Mar 14

JUBAIL, KSA

#205163 Apr 13, 2014
El Cid wrote:
<quoted text>
http://quran.com/67/5
And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with stars and have made [from] them what is thrown at the devils and have prepared for them the punishment of the Blaze.
What is wrong in that? This could be ONE of their uses. How do you KNOW it is not true?

“SATYAMEV JAYATE-TRUTH WINS ”

Since: Mar 14

JUBAIL, KSA

#205164 Apr 13, 2014
True Guidance and Light series (5)

The Promised Prophet of the Bible By: Munqidh Bin Mahmoud Assaqqar, PhD. Part-61

CH-19. THE PROPHECY ABOUT ELIJAH (Contd.)

"I baptize you with water for repentance, but he, who is coming after me is mightier than I. Whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit, and with fire: his winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, and gather his wheat into the barn; but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire. Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him." (Matthew: 3/11-13).

The expected prophet that had the good news would baptize with the Holy Spirit and fire. While Jesus (PBUH) never baptized anyone
during his life, even though this was spread among the people, but in reality, he did not. His disciples did it in his name "now when Jesus
learned that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John,(although Jesus himself did not baptize, but only his disciples,)" (John: 4/1-2).

The Baptist also mentioned that the expected prophet would baptize with spirit and fire. Meaning that he will have the control over religion
and life, in order to change the wrong and encourage repentance. He would not stop at the external cleansing of washing the body with
water, but he pays attention to internal cleansing, and his tool to do this is what the Holy Spirit (Gabriel) comes with, revelation,
information and explanation, as he cleansed with fire many places on earth from paganism.

Such baptism was not performed by Jesus (PBUH), whom his disciples baptized with water, and where his preaching was a continuation of the baptism of the Baptist. That is to give the good news about repentance and forgiveness of sins, for Jesus, after the crucifixion and resurrection, asked everyone of his disciples

"And that the repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem." (Luke: 24/47), so his baptism (PBUH) was not different from the baptism of the Baptist.(See John: 3/22-23).

His disciples continued after him to baptize with water like John the Baptist, and when Paul went to Ephesus,

“and there he found some disciples, and he said to them, did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed? And they said, no, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit. And he said, into what then were you baptized? They said, into John's baptism. And Paul said, John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus. On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." (Acts: 19/1-5).

If Jesus (PBUH) had a baptism different from the Baptist’s, then it should have been well known and spread among the disciples. The Baptist also described the expected prophet as stronger than him. There was nothing about the message or the life of Jesus that indicated such strength.

Both John the Baptist and Jesus did not come with a new Law, nor were they kings over their people, and both of them never had any influence or authority. Not only had they no power, but also Christians, falsely, claim that they were both killed! Where is the strength that the Baptist mentioned?

(Contd.)

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