Court rules to allow blood transfusion

[Simply Intrigued]

array wrote:

<quoted text>you answer nothing but with a question? cant you defend you faith?

can't you defend your faith? You claim to be a JW.

[dee lightful]

Simply Intrigued wrote:

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can't you defend your faith? You claim to be a JW.

Is not the truth a defense of the only faith there should be as God and Jesus is truth?

[Veritas 69]

How I See It wrote:

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I would gladly answer the idiot if I could see what he is imagining. He must have gone to a hate site to find it because it's not in the November 2006 KM. Besides,animal blood would and could not be used for humans. Get a clue.

For all those who like to read Kingdom Ministry for November 2006, even the lurkers out there are welcome, where it comes forth that the Wathtower Society accept derivates from tons of killed and stored animals blood, in spite of their doctrines and teachings, on basis of Genesis 9:4 and Leviticus 17:13 and the principles hereof, can read it under the items, red blood cells, page 5 and page 6 under Plateet Gels:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/me...

So again genious for the xxx times...

Proove me wrong...in question of what comes forth in the Kingdom Ministry for November 2006, that your idols, the GBs states that it is acceptable for their members, Jehovahs Witnesess to get use of e.g the hemoglobin from tons of killed animals blood... strictly in opposition to their interpretation and teachings, based at Genesis 9:4 and Leviticus 17:13 and the principles hereof.

What ou are trying do is covering up your idols eveil and weirddoctrine of men, but you will not be succesfull.

[array]

Simply Intrigued wrote:

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can't you defend your faith? You claim to be a JW.

the question was not to me silly. Nor was the post to you.

[michelle 1966]

array wrote:

<quoted text>the question was not to me silly. Nor was the post to you.

I am thinking this may be "Topsy"?
Not sure, but his/her mindset is the same,ZERO...LOL

[Veritas 69]

Hi again!

For those who like to read more about blood derivates... e.g. the hemoglobine, which the Governing Body have accepted to be used at their members named Jehovas Witnesses, comes from tons of killed animals blood, with the brand name Hemopure, can read more here:

http://www.hemopure.co.za/oxy_drug_class.php

It is and should always have been a persons free choise to decide, whether they like to accept or not, in question of any medical treatment... and not been based at self elected, deluted mere mens evil and wird doctrines, which have placed themselves at Moses chair and with threats and sanctions have sent thousands and other thousands of christian minded persons and their children into a pemature death... 1 Peter 5:3 and 2 Corinthians 1:24...

The Governing Body and elders behind and leading Jehovahs Wittesses and the Wachtower Society, carry at a huge bloodguilt... like those mentioned in Jeremiah 7:31,32 and they have continued to burry, by building ar religious house without a railing... based at evil and weird doctrines... Deuteronomy 22:8, atthew 23:23 and Revelation 21:8

Reference and documentation:

Awake Magazine May 22, 1994.

[Veritas 69]

Awake!- May 22, 1994, p.2 (Official Jehovah's Witness publication)

"In former times thousands of youths died for putting God first. They are still doing it,
only today the drama is played out in hospitals and courtrooms, with blood transfusions the issue."

http://www.ajwrb.org/noblood/hemopure.html

Watchtower Approves HemoPure for Jehovah's Witnesses:

Jehovah's Witnesses have long been known for their rejection of blood and blood-component transfusion, even when it is necessary to save life. In a remarkable change in policy, the Witnesses’ governing body announced in the June 15, 2000 issue of its official church publication The Watchtower, that members may now accept "fractions of any of the primary components" of blood.(Italics added) Previously, Witnesses who accepted a transfusion of blood fractions other than those found in plasma faced possible expulsion and enforced shunning by church members.

This change in policy was particularly timely for one man. According to a September 24, 2000 article in the Sacramento Bee, a patient was recently transfused with Hemopure®, a highly purified oxygen-carrying hemoglobin solution made from fractionated bovine (cow) blood and manufactured by Biopure Corporation.

Today developed of http://opkbiotech.com/

Dorsey Griffith, a medical writer for the Bee, states that Gregory Brown, a representative from the Jehovah's Witnesses Hospital Liaison Committee, approved the use of the oxygen-carrying solution that was transfused into the patient, Jose Orduño. The article notes:“When Orduño woke up from his drug-induced slumber, about a month after the ordeal began, Angelica was there …His sister told him about the accident and how he almost died, and about the drug made from cow blood that had saved his life.”

That approval of the use of hemoglobin marks a notable change in the Watchtower Society’s policy is readily seen from its own published statements:

“Is it wrong to sustain life by administering a transfusion of blood or plasma or red cells or others of the component parts of the blood? Yes!...The prohibition includes "any blood at all." (Leviticus 3:17)- Blood, Medicine and the Law of God, 1961, pp. 13, 14
“…various tonics and tablets sold by druggists show on their labels that they contain blood fractions such as hemoglobin. So it is necessary for one to be alert… if they are to keep themselves ‘without spot from the world.’—Jas. 1:27.” The Watchtower, 9/15/61, p. 557.

“Early in man’s history, our Creator ruled that humans should not eat blood.(Genesis 9:3, 4) He stated that blood represents life, which is a gift from him. Blood removed from a creature could be used only in sacrifice, such as on the altar. Otherwise, blood from a creature was to be poured on the ground, in a sense giving it back to God ...It would be right, of course, to avoid products that listed things such as blood, blood plasma, plasma, globin (or globulin) protein, or hemoglobin (or globin) iron.” The Watchtower, 10/15/92 - Questions From Readers.(Italics added)

Comments:

Medical treatment with blood and dervates has absolutely nothing to do with eating it, via the digestive channel.

Transfused blood and e.g. hemoglobine replaces only the blood lostand after a while it leaves the body as watse.

If the body nutrient at blood, our own or donated blood, we would all be dead by now...HUH:

[How I See It]

Veritas 69 wrote:

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For all those who like to read Kingdom Ministry for November 2006, even the lurkers out there are welcome, where it comes forth that the Wathtower Society accept derivates from tons of killed and stored animals blood, in spite of their doctrines and teachings, on basis of Genesis 9:4 and Leviticus 17:13 and the principles hereof, can read it under the items, red blood cells, page 5 and page 6 under Plateet Gels:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/me...
So again genious for the xxx times...
Proove me wrong...in question of what comes forth in the Kingdom Ministry for November 2006, that your idols, the GBs states that it is acceptable for their members, Jehovahs Witnesess to get use of e.g the hemoglobin from tons of killed animals blood... strictly in opposition to their interpretation and teachings, based at Genesis 9:4 and Leviticus 17:13 and the principles hereof.
What ou are trying do is covering up your idols eveil and weirddoctrine of men, but you will not be succesfull.

You truly are an idiot. Humans can NOT use animal blood. Get a clue and quit looking at hate sites. It only serves to make you look as stupid as you are.

[How I See It]

Veritas 69 wrote:

Awake!- May 22, 1994, p.2 (Official Jehovah's Witness publication)
"In former times thousands of youths died for putting God first. They are still doing it,
only today the drama is played out in hospitals and courtrooms, with blood transfusions the issue."
http://www.ajwrb.org/noblood/hemopure.html
Watchtower Approves HemoPure for Jehovah's Witnesses:
Jehovah's Witnesses have long been known for their rejection of blood and blood-component transfusion, even when it is necessary to save life. In a remarkable change in policy, the Witnesses’ governing body announced in the June 15, 2000 issue of its official church publication The Watchtower, that members may now accept "fractions of any of the primary components" of blood.(Italics added) Previously, Witnesses who accepted a transfusion of blood fractions other than those found in plasma faced possible expulsion and enforced shunning by church members.
This change in policy was particularly timely for one man. According to a September 24, 2000 article in the Sacramento Bee, a patient was recently transfused with Hemopure®, a highly purified oxygen-carrying hemoglobin solution made from fractionated bovine (cow) blood and manufactured by Biopure Corporation.
Today developed of http://opkbiotech.com/
Dorsey Griffith, a medical writer for the Bee, states that Gregory Brown, a representative from the Jehovah's Witnesses Hospital Liaison Committee, approved the use of the oxygen-carrying solution that was transfused into the patient, Jose Orduño. The article notes:“When Orduño woke up from his drug-induced slumber, about a month after the ordeal began, Angelica was there …His sister told him about the accident and how he almost died, and about the drug made from cow blood that had saved his life.”
That approval of the use of hemoglobin marks a notable change in the Watchtower Society’s policy is readily seen from its own published statements:
“Is it wrong to sustain life by administering a transfusion of blood or plasma or red cells or others of the component parts of the blood? Yes!...The prohibition includes "any blood at all." (Leviticus 3:17)- Blood, Medicine and the Law of God, 1961, pp. 13, 14
“…various tonics and tablets sold by druggists show on their labels that they contain blood fractions such as hemoglobin. So it is necessary for one to be alert… if they are to keep themselves ‘without spot from the world.’—Jas. 1:27.” The Watchtower, 9/15/61, p. 557.
“Early in man’s history, our Creator ruled that humans should not eat blood.(Genesis 9:3, 4) He stated that blood represents life, which is a gift from him. Blood removed from a creature could be used only in sacrifice, such as on the altar. Otherwise, blood from a creature was to be poured on the ground, in a sense giving it back to God ...It would be right, of course, to avoid products that listed things such as blood, blood plasma, plasma, globin (or globulin) protein, or hemoglobin (or globin) iron.” The Watchtower, 10/15/92 - Questions From Readers.(Italics added)
Comments:
Medical treatment with blood and dervates has absolutely nothing to do with eating it, via the digestive channel.
Transfused blood and e.g. hemoglobine replaces only the blood lostand after a while it leaves the body as watse.
If the body nutrient at blood, our own or donated blood, we would all be dead by now...HUH:

AQnother hate site stupid, filled with untruths. The WTS has NEVER said it was ok to accept fractions. They have said it was up to the conscience of the person who does. What is you IQ...23?

[Maravilla]

How I See It wrote:

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AQnother hate site stupid, filled with untruths. The WTS has NEVER said it was ok to accept fractions. They have said it was up to the conscience of the person who does. What is you IQ...23?

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. Here's what the question should be... When one claims to be GOD'S mouth ..Why would they print these options in the first place.??? The very fact that they claim that..so often ..and the fact that that those that don't agree with them are considered apostate.. IS a major reason that printing those options in the first place ..is like having Satan , sitting in the room with you.. Saying ..hay..guess what.. here's some options you might try.. After all.. once you take the blood apart ..it is no longer blood.. HELLO! The very fact that your heart tells you.. BUT! is was!..and therefore.. it is.. should show you what they wilfully and knowing ..put before you as food.... Stumbling blocks..
The error of doubt.. the temptation ..

[Dionicio]

Maravilla wrote:

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.
. Here's what the question should be... When one claims to be GOD'S mouth ..Why would they print these options in the first place.??? The very fact that they claim that..so often ..and the fact that that those that don't agree with them are considered apostate.. IS a major reason that printing those options in the first place ..is like having Satan , sitting in the room with you.. Saying ..hay..guess what.. here's some options you might try.. After all.. once you take the blood apart ..it is no longer blood.. HELLO! The very fact that your heart tells you.. BUT! is was!..and therefore.. it is.. should show you what they wilfully and knowing ..put before you as food.... Stumbling blocks..
The error of doubt.. the temptation ..

Wonder,

What's the issue?

It is a conscience matter. Simple as that.

You don't want fractions because it would bother you conscience?.

Well, you can simply "opt" to not take them.

[Maravilla]

Dionicio wrote:

<quoted text>Wonder,
What's the issue?
It is a conscience matter. Simple as that.
You don't want fractions because it would bother you conscience?.
Well, you can simply "opt" to not take them.

. TP..
for all those that believe and follow God's word... Yes.. it is a conscience matter.. We ask for a good conscience.. and watch the WTS.. place a stumbling block in the path of the followers..
Does that not strike you as a unloving thing to do???

[RedhorseWoman]

How I See It wrote:

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You truly are an idiot. Humans can NOT use animal blood. Get a clue and quit looking at hate sites. It only serves to make you look as stupid as you are.

Hemopure:

Hemopure, developed and produced by OPK Biotech, is an hemoglobin-based oxygen carrier based on chemically stabilized bovine hemoglobin. It has been developed for potential use in humans as an oxygen delivering bridge in cases when blood is not available or is not an option. The product, Hemoglobin-glutamer 250 (Bovine) was approved for human use and sale in South Africa for several years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemopure

And it was approved for use by JWs by the WTS:

http://www.ajwrb.org/noblood/hemopure.html

Animal blood.

[RedhorseWoman]

How I See It wrote:

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AQnother hate site stupid, filled with untruths. The WTS has NEVER said it was ok to accept fractions. They have said it was up to the conscience of the person who does. What is you IQ...23?

If something is a conscience matter, then it is not considered a "sin" against Jehovah and something for which a JW could be disfellowshipped. That means that it is "okay" for JWs unless their consciences are too sensitive and they feel they should refrain.

I guess your IQ isn't quite up to the 23 mark yet?

[Veritas 69]

How I See It wrote:

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AQnother hate site stupid, filled with untruths. The WTS has NEVER said it was ok to accept fractions. They have said it was up to the conscience of the person who does. What is you IQ...23?

Something in the reality and material that makes you upset... and why du you act like a moron...?

Tell us all whether this is a hate site or not... and how you have come to your conclusion...?

http://www.opkbiotech.com/company/about.php

Then this...?

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/me...

When the Governing Body behind the Watchower Society are bannning red and white blood cells, plasma and platelets and on the other hand in Kingdom Ministry, November 2006 let it be up to themselves and their members to accept derivates, e.g the hemoglobin from killed animals blood...

The Governing Body have in former times banned derivates and now, by accepting that their member can get use of derivates, i it a clear acceptance and green light... In other case they would still have banned derivates as previously with sanctions, in form of disfellowshippings and shunnings...:HUH:

What is it you don't understand with the words: Cow bloood, Animals blood and Mammals blood in the documents...especially in the Kingdom Ministry Magazine from November 2006...?

You are unfortunately a classical example of a mind controlled and blindfolded person, which in this case get use of the Watchtower magazines as blinkers, defending your idols the Governing body, which are carying at a huge bloodguilt, self elected deluted and dishonest mere men, which have no problems with lyeings, which you follow and your idols call theocratical warfare...in spite of what comes forth in Revelation 21:8...:HUH:

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[Veritas 69]

Dionicio wrote:

<quoted text>Wonder,
What's the issue?
It is a conscience matter. Simple as that.
You don't want fractions because it would bother you conscience?.
Well, you can simply "opt" to not take them.

So when the Governing Body banned all fractions, it was wrong... right... and then they was responsible of bloodguilt because of all those they have sent into a pemature death... following their doctrnes of mere men... based at Gods law, threats and with sanctins... one way or the other doesn't matter...:HUH:

[Jehovah is God]

Do not listen to or believe what critics of Jehovah's witnesses have to say about anything, especially
about using blood fractions, they are not banned for witnesses and they are not allowed or sanctioned by the Society, it is up to the individual Jehovah's witness whether he wants to use them or not, no one else can make that decision for you.

Using old information to prove anything is only good if you do not know the new information, no one cares if you use blood fractions or not... only Jehovah cares, he owns everyones blood, and he expects his servants to safeguard it as their life. Acts 15:29

[Mythbusters]

Jehovah is God wrote:

and he expects his servants to safeguard it as their life. Acts 15:29

Now that,is truly ironic!

[Jehovah is God]

The correction is: Jehovah God expects his servants to safeguard their blood, in their veins as their life from him.

[Prime]

michelle 1966 wrote:

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I am thinking this may be "Topsy"?
Not sure, but his/her mindset is the same,ZERO...LOL

It's Letamay Gump!