Homosexuality 'not in your DNA,' LDS leader says

rezlez wrote:
"Sacgary wrote:
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I knew I was gay at 4... what's your point?
"Did you ever have the urge to sukk off your father when you were a teen?"<quoted text>

This was not my post to you.

Why do you get on these kind of lists and brag about your fantasies? This post was to that comment.

This was not to you but to the person with the vulgar response.

<quoted text>"This thread has been done to death. Let it die already."<quoted text>

Your so right but I guess it is like a car wreck that people can't turn themselves from.

Not meant to be posted to you but to this comment.

<quoted text>"I am not at all sure why you replied to me in this fashion. My reply was not directed to you or anything you have posted."<quoted text>

I wasn't posting to you.

<quoted text>"Your response is disgusting and offensive."<quoted text> the post was not from me or directed at you.

<quoted text>"You obviously have no idea what you are posting to so here is the rehash:<quoted text>

Not my post.

<quoted text>Honest AbeL wrote:
I made this choice at a young age. If you believe that people are born straight or gay then just ask a 4 year old <quoted text>

<quoted text>"I knew I was gay at 4... what's your point? "<quoted text>

I made the mistake of combining responses to more than one post.My comments weren't nessessarily to your posting. My comments are the ones without ["<quoted text>".]

I did not intend to re-direct other's comments to you. I am on your side on this.

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mixed wrote:

And the leader if the LDS is an expert in genetics how? He's not, he's just a strong believer in a myth.

But isn’t the gay gene a myth? I’ll go ahead and answer. Yes it is. It’s actually the gay community’s version of the race card.

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Mona Lott wrote:

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Then you must not have heard very much in your neck of the woods, eh? Most gay people will tell you they had same sex attractions at a very early age, but you refuse to believe it.
So.....stick your head back in the sand and STFU.

Oh wow, you like told me to shutthefuckup because I don’t believe as you. How simply predictable of you angry hateful gays. I’m still calling bullshit. How is it that most gay people had same sex attractions a very young ages and knew it? So I’m assuming YOU yourself have polled every gay person on the world and that’s how you know this. And yet straights people just went about very young childhood as normal. Ahhh Yes, that’s it, they were normal. Yes, yes how could I have forgotten? I will not shutthefuckup because I make more sense than you do and that’s why you want me to shutthefuckup.

terrye

Hillside, NJ

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I'm too much of a lady to tell anyone to STFU and I really don't like seeing someone else do it. But then, I'm Transexual, not gay. However. I take issue with your narrow (For the sake of argument only) definition of Gay folks. When you went to school, you saw "Sissies and Fahgs" and you may have even made their lives hell with your harrassment (we were just havin' some fun!). But you could pick out a Fahg at 50 yds. These people probably would have done almost anything to get in your and others like you, good graces, but you would have nothing to do with them. "He's a Fahg"
and with that dismissal, you killed any chance of a normal life for that person. But the point is you knew who they were. Something was different about him. something you couldn't put into words, but still you knew who the "Fahgs" were. How did you know? Did that person tell you? No! Did he wear a label? No! He was just "Different!" Gays are as aware of that difference too. And they can't change it. It's so deep and profound that they believe that they were born that way and not you or anyone else is going to talk them out of it!
Regards, Terry

-yernogood wrote:

<quoted text>Oh wow, you like told me to shutthefuckup because I don’t believe as you. How simply predictable of you angry hateful gays. I’m still calling bullshit. How is it that most gay people had same sex attractions a very young ages and knew it? So I’m assuming YOU yourself have polled every gay person on the world and that’s how you know this. And yet straights people just went about very young childhood as normal. Ahhh Yes, that’s it, they were normal. Yes, yes how could I have forgotten? I will not shutthefuckup because I make more sense than you do and that’s why you want me to shutthefuckup.

BigDeal

Chico, CA

Dysfunctional non-reproductive freaks may or may not be genetic. Who gives a crap?

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terrye wrote:

I'm too much of a lady to tell anyone to STFU and I really don't like seeing someone else do it. But then, I'm Transexual, not gay. However. I take issue with your narrow (For the sake of argument only) definition of Gay folks. When you went to school, you saw "Sissies and Fahgs" and you may have even made their lives hell with your harrassment (we were just havin' some fun!). But you could pick out a Fahg at 50 yds. These people probably would have done almost anything to get in your and others like you, good graces, but you would have nothing to do with them. "He's a Fahg"
and with that dismissal, you killed any chance of a normal life for that person. But the point is you knew who they were. Something was different about him. something you couldn't put into words, but still you knew who the "Fahgs" were. How did you know? Did that person tell you? No! Did he wear a label? No! He was just "Different!" Gays are as aware of that difference too. And they can't change it. It's so deep and profound that they believe that they were born that way and not you or anyone else is going to talk them out of it!
Regards, Terry
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Let me tell you something now, First you have no idea who I am and when you tell me what I saw when I went to school you show me what you saw and what you thought because you can’t possibly speak for me and how dare you try. Next, Waahhhh, ok? Really wahh! You care only about you and your feelings, how about the fat kids that got made fun of? Aw fcuk em’ if they weren’t gay. How about the slow learners that got ridiculed? Well if they weren’t gay who gives a shit? How about the kids that had visible deformities? Were they gay? No? Then you’re not interested. In other words ME, ME, ME well you know what? Wahhhh! I have many gay friends; do you have any straight friends? You think because many of us don’t agree with some of the things you agree with we deserve to be called names, wow, holy shit so you can call me a name and its cool, well alright fine. As far as me trying to talk you into or out of anything, show me one post anywhere at any time that you interpret as me trying to change your mind on or talk you out of your belief. If gays believe they were born that way fine, everyone that has a card believes what that card stands for. How dare you try and tell me who I am.

ruidosogal

Ruidoso, NM

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rezlez wrote:

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All religions involved with politics need to be watched carefully.Just because one group of Mormon's were involved with this doesn't mean all Mormon's are involved with this. Mormon's have gay family members just like all other religions.all relgions have horrors in their history. Just look what Christians have done to Indigenius people's everywhere. Look at the witch trials of Salem. Look at present day plantations in South America.You need to watch all people that use their religion to justify theri political agenda's. You have to change people's ideas about your sexuality not attack their religion. My Mormon family did not always accept me. It took alot of work. Now many cousins are coming out to me. They are still Momon's. Not all Mormon's are bad. I would rather have Mormon neighbors than these Catholic gang bangers where I live.I have more oppression with Catholics here in NM then I ever had with Mormon's in Utah.Many Catholics drink and drive but most Mormon's don't drink.NM is a very violent place. You can be killed in a road rage or for rumors or acting "Gay".You have to be brave to be out especially in small Catholic dominated communities. Mormon's just try to change you or convert you.

I agree with you about the danger of mixing religion and politics...it's the old separation of church and state thing. The forefathers knew the 2 did not mix and could only lead to totalitarianism....thus the mention of it in the Constitution.
It's hard for the GLBT community to find a welcome spiritual home but I suggest you look for a local branch of the Unitarian Universalist Church. A more tolerant place you will never find and there is no dogma you need to live by. There is a large congregation in Albu. and many NM town have these spiritual fellowships. I hear there is one here in Ruidoso.
You are correct about the violence in all the religions as all religions have little to no tolerance (love and acceptance) of others who are not just like them and believe like them.

rezlez

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-yernogood wrote:

<quoted text>Oh wow, you like told me to shutthefuckup because I don’t believe as you. How simply predictable of you angry hateful gays. I’m still calling bullshit. How is it that most gay people had same sex attractions a very young ages and knew it? So I’m assuming YOU yourself have polled every gay person on the world and that’s how you know this. And yet straights people just went about very young childhood as normal. Ahhh Yes, that’s it, they were normal. Yes, yes how could I have forgotten? I will not shutthefuckup because I make more sense than you do and that’s why you want me to shutthefuckup.

We are not all hateful although we hold have reasons to hold allot of anger because of obvious reasons. You are entitled to your opinions but unless you are gay you will never really know how we feel.You are welcome to not believe what you will never know.

rezlez

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ruidosogal wrote:

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I agree with you about the danger of mixing religion and politics...it's the old separation of church and state thing. The forefathers knew the 2 did not mix and could only lead to totalitarianism....thus the mention of it in the Constitution.
It's hard for the GLBT community to find a welcome spiritual home but I suggest you look for a local branch of the Unitarian Universalist Church. A more tolerant place you will never find and there is no dogma you need to live by. There is a large congregation in Albu. and many NM town have these spiritual fellowships. I hear there is one here in Ruidoso.
You are correct about the violence in all the religions as all religions have little to no tolerance (love and acceptance) of others who are not just like them and believe like them.

We have one here in las Vegas I went to when I was here before. I rarely venture away from my computer these days as I am approaching finals. It is my livlihood. I was surprised when I was visiting Colorado Springs how many churches there were at the gay pride there. I appreciate your kind words as sometimes those are rare these days also. We had a road rage killing two blocks from campus this week.Violence and hate are carefully taught and passed down. My friend from Navajo that was a nun was just murdered last week on Holloween.At least here in psyberspace they can only say mean things and hack into your computer space. What ever happened to love your nighbor as yourself. Jesus hung out with some judged to be low lives and drank wine. What would Jesus say and do? He would not send me to hell for loving someone who happens to be of the same sex and neither would Buddha or an angel watching over me because it is already on earth because sometimes earth is hell.Only the creator can judge us. I know I have a good heart and all of us are imperfect.I judge others by how they treat me not by who they choose to be with or there color or religion etc.

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rezlez wrote:

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We are not all hateful although we hold have reasons to hold allot of anger because of obvious reasons. You are entitled to your opinions but unless you are gay you will never really know how we feel.You are welcome to not believe what you will never know.

Let me start by apologizing if I may because I’m about to get down to business. You state you have anger because of obvious reasons but I see your obvious reasons as selfish and one sided. When you tell me I will never know how you feel unless I am gay (as in ALL of the people that think in the opposite direction as you) you are inviting me to force myself to be gay to know what you feel. But feel feeling is only perception. It’s like telling me I need to be a jew to feel their alleged persecution. Hate you understand is a choice. If you choose to be hated you indulge your being in a hateful manner. Can you imagine what I have just stated?

Frug

Basalt, CO

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I say we all listen to the Angry Samoans and Ill Repute.

rdg1234

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Philadelphia, PA

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LOL, angry samoans. i know them

zeron

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rezlez wrote:

Just because you ran out of ideas no one is forcing you to post. You are free to come up with a new argument.
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Well this thread is all about homosexual orientation and rights.

Everything that can be said about those two things has already been said several times.

rezlez

zeron wrote:

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Well this thread is all about homosexual orientation and rights.
Everything that can be said about those two things has already been said several times.

How bored are we to keep posting hugh.

zeron

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rezlez wrote:

<quoted text>How bored are we to keep posting hugh.

Well I do get bored every now and then.

That is why I come back to post.

Common Sense

Los Angeles, CA

Gay's define themselves by their sexual preference. Like they put rainbow stickers on their cars and all they can ever talk about if being gay.
What a sad life.
Nothing against gays, just wonder why they have to advertise it.

rezlez

Common Sense wrote:

Gay's define themselves by their sexual preference. Like they put rainbow stickers on their cars and all they can ever talk about if being gay.
What a sad life.
Nothing against gays, just wonder why they have to advertise it.

The rainbow stickers is to prove we are proud to be who we are and so that other's like us can find us. Otherwise we would be alone and invisable.Gay is the opposite of sad. Straights flaunt their life style in every aspect of our society. Our rainbow stickers are not about you. Most gays have to hide their lifestyle.You only see the ones who don't. Most blend in and you pass them everyday.

rezlez

-yernogood wrote:

<quoted text>Let me start by apologizing if I may because I’m about to get down to business. You state you have anger because of obvious reasons but I see your obvious reasons as selfish and one sided. When you tell me I will never know how you feel unless I am gay (as in ALL of the people that think in the opposite direction as you) you are inviting me to force myself to be gay to know what you feel. But feel feeling is only perception. It’s like telling me I need to be a jew to feel their alleged persecution. Hate you understand is a choice. If you choose to be hated you indulge your being in a hateful manner. Can you imagine what I have just stated?

Love thy neighbor as yourself, can you imagine what that means?I'm not Jewish so I cannot totally imagine no just like I can't imagine being black and how that feels. I have jewish and black freinds and feel something they feel when I am with them sharing the prosecution they may experience or am a victim of hate because of my associations but I can escape into pretending I'm a white straight woman any time it is convinent like at job interviews.If you are not gay you cannot really know what it feels like to be gay. We all understand hate and predujice I hope. yes we can have empathy for each other's suffering. compassion is th ehighest form of love which we could all use more of.People here forget that being gay is about love also. Not always the highest love. the lowest love is after all sex.Any kind of love is good love.

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rezlez wrote:

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Love thy neighbor as yourself, can you imagine what that means?I'm not Jewish so I cannot totally imagine no just like I can't imagine being black and how that feels. I have jewish and black freinds and feel something they feel when I am with them sharing the prosecution they may experience or am a victim of hate because of my associations but I can escape into pretending I'm a white straight woman any time it is convinent like at job interviews.If you are not gay you cannot really know what it feels like to be gay. We all understand hate and predujice I hope. yes we can have empathy for each other's suffering. compassion is th ehighest form of love which we could all use more of.People here forget that being gay is about love also. Not always the highest love. the lowest love is after all sex.Any kind of love is good love.

This is an eloquent post and I have nothing derogatory to respond with. Whereas I do not agree with some of your views on this matter I refrain from comment, but only at this moment.

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