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Who is the man accused of murdering Whitney Heichel?

There are 344 comments on the KBCI CBS 2 story from Oct 24, 2012, titled Who is the man accused of murdering Whitney Heichel?. In it, KBCI CBS 2 reports that:

New details are emerging about the man accused of sexually abusing and then shooting a young woman to death in a crime that has shocked the community.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at KBCI CBS 2.

“Surprised By Love”

Since: Aug 12

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#151 Oct 30, 2012
I don't see any posts by "auroramom", so I have no idea what you are talking about. What is the post number you are revering to to and what is the lie you think she told?
Prime

United States

#152 Oct 30, 2012
acrobat wrote:
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Are you having a hard time articulating? Or do you not understand the question?
You're making all the points anyone needs to see, so, again:
Why do you think those brothers and sisters still consider you someone they can be "quite friendly" with?
LOL! Typical Jose post! He runs off at the mouth when he doesn't have a clue boxes himself into a corner then can't deal with the fallout for what he post! He really is just flat out ignorant!
Prime

United States

#153 Oct 30, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text> Yap, yap
Why should i be embarrassed. Who the hell are you?
Proud and haughty?
Projecting much??. Look at yourself!
You are no judge.
And just what is your status in the org.?
You came flying in from nowhere pretending you haven't been on here.
Hogwash!
I love it! Exactly what we have all been telling you since you started posting here!

You are egotistical beyond reality and without reason whatsoever unless thinking that your ignorance is something to boast about!

You're so oblivious to the truth about yourself that you have to constantly backstroke or pretend you were talking about something other then what is plain as day!

Face it Jose it takes reading only a few of your posts to figure out that your an ignorant hypocritical joke, just like many new posters have told you!

One more thing Jose keep up the good work it's always hilarious seeing you get your @SS handed to you even if it is quite common although not as common by another JW! Your sister EE should be proud of her encouragement of you!
hMMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#154 Oct 30, 2012
MixedMedia wrote:
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Oh that's interesting, and you are right that they would have to be baptized to have a ceremony in the hall.
Yes you do.
Both parties must be not only baptized BUT "in good standing" at the Kingdumb Hall, not "occasional attendies"
Whitney did not have a Kingdumb Hall wedding because her husband was not a jehovah's witness.

And since virtually every male is anointed the bogus position of "ministerial servant", it makes since the evil Jehovah's witness Holt did.
Jonathan Holt is a Jehovah's witness
He also is a pedophile.
Has hand guns.
Is a thief who had robbed in the past, and was not disfellowshipped and not repentant since he continued to steal
Not shocking is it?

http://www.kgw.com/home/Docs-Holt-had-guns-ch...

"Documents show investigators found two handguns in their search, one was found outside the Gresham Police Department where he is thought to have ditched it.

Holt admitted to detectives there was child porn on a computer in his possession and that he had previously broken into Heichel’s apartment and stolen an iPhone."

A rapist, a pedophile, a thief and lunatic with a gun who murders.
Jonathan Holt, a "WITNESS TO THE WORLD"of the evil lurking in every Kingdumb Hall.

Nobody should let these sickos on their property, no matter how many children they hide behind.

“Tight lines”

Since: Jun 07

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#155 Oct 30, 2012
much happier now wrote:
I don't see any posts by "auroramom", so I have no idea what you are talking about. What is the post number you are revering to to and what is the lie you think she told?
Auroramom posts as Hmmm now.
She does not log in anymore however, many of us remember her old screen name.
Anyway, she claims that I said Holt was an elder.
That is just one of her many, many lies she spins on this board.
man711

United States

#156 Oct 30, 2012
florida native wrote:
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Auroramom posts as Hmmm now.
She does not log in anymore however, many of us remember her old screen name.
Anyway, she claims that I said Holt was an elder.
That is just one of her many, many lies she spins on this board.
Many JW haters spin mant lies.

“Tight lines”

Since: Jun 07

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#157 Oct 30, 2012
Auroramom claims that Whitney's husband is not a Witness.
That is a lie

Auroramom claims that Holt was a Ministarial Servant.
That is a lie.

Auroramom claims that Holt was a known criminal.
That is a lie.

In conclusion, Auroramon/Hmmmmmm is a liar.
hMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#158 Oct 30, 2012
As usual FN you are wrong.
You already proved I was a truthful person, when the "society" lied to your face.

Whitney's husband is NOT a baptized JW. The spin control at WBTS may be trying to make it look like he is, since their own member is a criminal beyond sympathy, but her husband is not, and you know it.

Jonathan Holt had already admitted to stealing a car last year, now inJW terms when a JW commits a crime you may ignore it, but grand larceny is a crime to the rest of us.

I said that every male twit who is a baptized JW is usually a ministerial servant, for crying out loud we had a 12 yr old one, and on that we can deduct that the pedophile, rapist, thief and murdering Jehovah's witness Jonathan Holt was also a ministerial servant at some point and time at the very least.

I have never lied.
All you ever proved FN was that the WBTS lies to its members without remorse or any conscience.

Since: Feb 07

RI

#159 Oct 30, 2012
MixedMedia wrote:
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Annoy me? Hahaha ah, no. But nice to see that's your goal. That is your main purpose here right to annoy and disgust people.
He gives himself way too much credit. He's a laughingstock, that's it in a nutshell. Almost anyone can pull his chain and he reacts so beautifully every single time.

Since: Oct 12

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#160 Oct 30, 2012
This is way too ridiculous.

There is no evidence thus far or even reason to suggest that Clint Heichel is not one of JWs, and every indication is that he was one.

Jonathan Holt did not admit to stealing a car, he admitted to taking off with it to clear his head. The police did not have him arrested for grand theft auto and his friend did not press charges in that regard, either.

There has been word in the form of an alleged email from a congregation member that Holt has been baptized for 4 or more years, that he was in fact an MS but last year had been reproved and removed from that position. So no, he`s not an MS at the time of committing this act. Also heard was that he was offered a spot in the First Aid department on the local RBC but had turned it down. He was clearly a JW in good standing at one time, but well on his way out, if not already out, in his heart.

Hope he had not been reproved for child pornography or for weapons possession. The gun possession isn`t a crime, no, but the child porn sure is. Hard to contemplate this all right now.
hMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#161 Oct 30, 2012
reated on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 | Written by Kristopher Anderson | Print

Jonathan Daniel Holt said he had a “mental breakdown” when he stole his friend's car

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/121684-p...

"Holt and his friend, Nathan Bargas, went to the Best Buy at 1148 N.W. Norman Ave. in Gresham to purchase a game at 1:30 p.m. on Aug. 18, 2011. Bargas, who was driving a 2010 Chevrolet Cobalt, went inside the store, leaving Holt in the rental car with the key in the ignition.

When Bargas returned, the car was gone.

He told police that the two would occasionally play jokes on each other. But when Holt never returned, Bargas eventually contacted authorities, to report the vehicle stolen and Holt as a missing person. "

Yes, and Jonathan Holt was NOT disfellowshipped.
Because those appointed by " jehovah' are such amazing judges of character, aren't they??

Now please release something in writing from the WBTS That Whitney's husband is a baptized JW.

He is not.

Jonathan Holt may have appointed himself anointed for all we know. But Whitney's husband is not a baptized JW.

Since: Oct 12

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#162 Oct 30, 2012
To follow up my previous post..not trying to imply anything from my last sentence, merely that there is always the possibility that whatever he had been reproved for could be one of those two things. The reproval could have been for something completely unrelated, also.

If the alleged email is to be taken at face value, the reproval and removal of duties as MS took place a little over a year ago. The car incident took place a little over a year ago. It wouldn't be a stretch then to say that those two events might be one and the same. And the discipline seems appropriate; he likely admitted to taking the car unauthorized, and not telling his friend (and wife) where he was for a good few hours. This would be conduct unbecoming and disqualify him from holding position as an MS, and reproval.

Since: Oct 12

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#163 Oct 30, 2012
Having issues with posting...third followup to my intial post.

The 44 page arraignment doc contains statements from both Amanda Holt and the Judd couple that include both Whitney and Clint Heichel as members of the congregation (West Troutdale).

"C Heichel"'s name is also found on the Sound Department assignment sheet that was discovered in Amanda's car that had been driven by Holt when he attended the police station for the final time.

There are images all over of Clint and Whitney dressed up for service, in front of the KH, and at a convention with badges on.

The assertion that he wasn't a JW is not supported by anything at this point. His congregation isn't under any more obligation to release a statement about him being a JW any more than they are going to say whether or not her mother was a JW. They all were, end of story.

“Surprised By Love”

Since: Aug 12

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#164 Oct 30, 2012
florida native wrote:
Auroramom claims that Whitney's husband is not a Witness.
That is a lie
Auroramom claims that Holt was a Ministarial Servant.
That is a lie.
Auroramom claims that Holt was a known criminal.
That is a lie.
In conclusion, Auroramon/Hmmmmmm is a liar.
There have been a lot of speculation and disnformation out there. Some on both sides of the issue have jumped to conclusions and speculated. From what I can figure out Holt was indeed a ministerial servant, although not at the time of the crimes. Holt was not exactly a known criminal, but there was an incident last year where the police were involved, so a bit of exaggerating on that. As far as Whitneys husband not being a witness, I read many sources that said he was not. Acrobat says that there are pictures of them both out in service, so maybe he he was or maybe he wasn't baptized yet, but was working towards it. Is that a lie, I don't know without knowing what hmmm saw or read about it

So I don't see lying here, maybe exaggeration and disinformatiin that was spread before the facts were known. But you also have Dream Weaver saying that Holt was disfellowshipped, when I havent seen anything that confirms that. So where have you said anything about her, if you are so concerned with the truth?

Since: Oct 12

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#165 Oct 30, 2012
Clint Heichel is not on trial here, and whether or not he's a baptized or unbaptized publisher is not the issue either. He didn't kill his wife and for the life of me I can't see the relevance. By all accounts he is an accepted member of the congregation, either way.
Hoodwinked

Winchester, CA

#166 Oct 30, 2012
acrobat wrote:
This is way too ridiculous.
There is no evidence thus far or even reason to suggest that Clint Heichel is not one of JWs, and every indication is that he was one.
Jonathan Holt did not admit to stealing a car, he admitted to taking off with it to clear his head. The police did not have him arrested for grand theft auto and his friend did not press charges in that regard, either.
There has been word in the form of an alleged email from a congregation member that Holt has been baptized for 4 or more years, that he was in fact an MS but last year had been reproved and removed from that position. So no, he`s not an MS at the time of committing this act. Also heard was that he was offered a spot in the First Aid department on the local RBC but had turned it down. He was clearly a JW in good standing at one time, but well on his way out, if not already out, in his heart.
Hope he had not been reproved for child pornography or for weapons possession. The gun possession isn`t a crime, no, but the child porn sure is. Hard to contemplate this all right now.
Intresting....thanks for sharing.
TPMP

United States

#167 Oct 30, 2012
RedhorseWoman wrote:
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He gives himself way too much credit. He's a laughingstock, that's it in a nutshell. Almost anyone can pull his chain and he reacts so beautifully every single time.
Yet, you tag many of my posts.

Go worry about your drunk husband!.

I hear he's not doing too well.
TPMP

United States

#168 Oct 30, 2012
Alleged Email?.

Yeah, sure!

Like we are supposed to believe you, A!

Since: Sep 09

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#170 Oct 31, 2012
florida native wrote:
Auroramom claims that Whitney's husband is not a Witness.
That is a lie
Auroramom claims that Holt was a Ministarial Servant.
That is a lie.
Auroramom claims that Holt was a known criminal.
That is a lie.
In conclusion, Auroramon/Hmmmmmm is a liar.
Yep!
Geffclassic

United States

#171 Oct 31, 2012
Cult Defenders are Liars wrote:
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You say that an alarm should have gone off for the female if someone approaches her at 6:30 am.
Tell me, do you feel an alarm should have gone off when you called a woman at 3 am?
Are you saying that you ignorantly believe it was the fault of the victim that she was murdered?
big up to you men,let him answer this,he seems to be so ignorant and thats a big problem.

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