Who is the man accused of murdering Whitney Heichel?

New details are emerging about the man accused of sexually abusing and then shooting a young woman to death in a crime that has shocked the community.

[unlisted]

btt he has a gun----- this self defense instructor is wrong.

[TPMP]

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Holt+PC+d...

He just decided to do her harm one morning?.

This doesn't make sense.

An alarm should have went off for the female if someone approaches her at 6:30 in the morning. I don't care how much she knew him.

Then again this is not a major metropolitan area. Anothewords?. People are more relaxed.

There was a familiarity between these two.

[hMMMM]

I called it.

I said it was only a matter of time before Jehovah's witnesses started blaming Whitney, who was a victim of a violent sexual assault and then murdered, for her own crime.

Because it was committed by a baptized male Jehovah's Witness.

A man she was brainwashed to believe was her "brother"

The Jehovah's Witnesses, where "family" is defined by Charles Manson.

[Jace]

hMMMM wrote:

I called it.
I said it was only a matter of time before Jehovah's witnesses started blaming Whitney, who was a victim of a violent sexual assault and then murdered, for her own crime.
Because it was committed by a baptized male Jehovah's Witness.
A man she was brainwashed to believe was her "brother"
The Jehovah's Witnesses, where "family" is defined by Charles Manson.

You were right

[Cult Defenders are Liars]

TPMP wrote:

http://images.bimedia.net/docu ments/Holt+PC+doc.pdf
He just decided to do her harm one morning?.
This doesn't make sense.
An alarm should have went off for the female if someone approaches her at 6:30 in the morning. I don't care how much she knew him.
Then again this is not a major metropolitan area. Anothewords?. People are more relaxed.
There was a familiarity between these two.

You say that an alarm should have gone off for the female if someone approaches her at 6:30 am.

Tell me, do you feel an alarm should have gone off when you called a woman at 3 am?

Are you saying that you ignorantly believe it was the fault of the victim that she was murdered?

[acrobat]

They absolutely knew each other as fellow JWs. The congregation for some unfathomable reason is trying to downplay how well they knew him, and what his involvement in the congregation was. They know him quite well, they married he and his wife in their Kingdom Hall, his best friend is a strong JW with an elder for a dad, and their parents are all JWs.

[Mythbusters]

acrobat wrote:

They absolutely knew each other as fellow JWs. The congregation for some unfathomable reason is trying to downplay how well they knew him, and what his involvement in the congregation was. They know him quite well, they married he and his wife in their Kingdom Hall, his best friend is a strong JW with an elder for a dad, and their parents are all JWs.

Of course they downplay how well they knew him. It brings reproach on their little cult. I wouldn't doubt if they had him disfellowshipped before he was booked.

And yes, the faux jos on here are going to blame the victim. She was after all "only a woman.

[hMMMMM]

Mythbusters wrote:

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Of course they downplay how well they knew him. It brings reproach on their little cult. I wouldn't doubt if they had him disfellowshipped before he was booked.
And yes, the faux jos on here are going to blame the victim. She was after all "only a woman.

She was a beautiful young Jehovah's Witness woman, there is nothing more hated at the Kingdumb Hall.
Holt was brainwashed since who knows when that a woman's value is ONLY in her sexuality as this is the Jehovah's Witness way.
You can bet every woman hated Whitney at the Kingdumb Hall and every man lusted after her.
It is a sick and twisted cult, and I believe her husband was clueless the depth of the depravity of what goes on in the Jehovah'sWitnesses, what a sad way for him to find out.

[acrobat]

hMMMMM wrote:

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She was a beautiful young Jehovah's Witness woman, there is nothing more hated at the Kingdumb Hall.
Holt was brainwashed since who knows when that a woman's value is ONLY in her sexuality as this is the Jehovah's Witness way.
You can bet every woman hated Whitney at the Kingdumb Hall and every man lusted after her.

Whaaaaaat? Are you feeling ok? You might want to get a cloth, run it under some cold water, lie down, and press it against your forehead.

[man711]

hMMMMM wrote:

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She was a beautiful young Jehovah's Witness woman, there is nothing more hated at the Kingdumb Hall.
Holt was brainwashed since who knows when that a woman's value is ONLY in her sexuality as this is the Jehovah's Witness way.
You can bet every woman hated Whitney at the Kingdumb Hall and every man lusted after her.
It is a sick and twisted cult, and I believe her husband was clueless the depth of the depravity of what goes on in the Jehovah'sWitnesses, what a sad way for him to find out.

What is sick are your comments.

[hMMMMM]

man711 wrote:

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What is sick are your comments.

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Why?
Because I speak the truth.
The Jehovah's Witness cult, is sick, evil and twisted.
This case will once again draw attention to this fact, no matter how the twits at the WBTS try to twist the facts, to try and lie to the public like Jehovah's Witnesses are some sort of loving group of people.
They are not.
Just read the posts here that JWs post

[MixedMedia]

TPMP wrote:

http://images.bimedia.net/docu ments/Holt+PC+doc.pdf

He just decided to do her harm one morning?.

This doesn't make sense.

An alarm should have went off for the female if someone approaches her at 6:30 in the morning. I don't care how much she knew him.

Then again this is not a major metropolitan area. Anothewords?. People are more relaxed.

There was a familiarity between these two.

Yes they knew each other and attended the same hall. I don't know of any brother or sister that would deny the other a ride.
She is not at fault.
This is a horrible thing.

[MixedMedia]

I honestly don't see how this had anything to do with the fact he was a witness. He is a sicko. But you can count on the witnesses to try to distance themselves from this situation.

[acrobat]

MixedMedia wrote:

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Yes they knew each other and attended the same hall. I don't know of any brother or sister that would deny the other a ride.

Precisely.

[acrobat]

man711 wrote:

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What is sick are your comments.

Quite agree, entirely inappropriate.

[acrobat]

MixedMedia wrote:

I honestly don't see how this had anything to do with the fact he was a witness. He is a sicko.

Uh, really? Have you ever been a Witness? I don't mean that insultingly, but to say what you said seems to indicate you haven't had much experience being one and how much of one's life is wrapped up in being one.

An example: His co-workers described him as quiet and withdrawn (or reserved, I forget the exact word). At any rate, not as social as social as others.

To the outside person who doesn't know he's a JW, this sounds like the slight hints of a maniacal serial killer.

To the JW who knows him as a JW, this makes perfect sense that a *worldly* co-worker sees him this way. He's not super outgoing with them precisely because he's a Witness, and this is how Witnesses interact with worldlings: cautiously, on an as-needed basis, etc.

To most people, this seems to be indicative of a slightly off-kilter personality. To Witnesses, it's one indication that he's remaining true to his faith and keeping separate from Satan's system of things.

Surely you get that, right?

His membership in the congregation is patently central to how he gets opportunity to commit this heinous crime.

[MixedMedia]

acrobat wrote:

<quoted text>Uh, really? Have you ever been a Witness? I don't mean that insultingly, but to say what you said seems to indicate you haven't had much experience being one and how much of one's life is wrapped up in being one.

An example: His co-workers described him as quiet and withdrawn (or reserved, I forget the exact word). At any rate, not as social as social as others.

To the outside person who doesn't know he's a JW, this sounds like the slight hints of a maniacal serial killer.

To the JW who knows him as a JW, this makes perfect sense that a *worldly* co-worker sees him this way. He's not super outgoing with them precisely because he's a Witness, and this is how Witnesses interact with worldlings: cautiously, on an as-needed basis, etc.

To most people, this seems to be indicative of a slightly off-kilter personality. To Witnesses, it's one indication that he's remaining true to his faith and keeping separate from Satan's system of things.

Surely you get that, right?

His membership in the congregation is patently central to how he gets opportunity to commit this heinous crime.

My point is that he would likely have done this to someone sometime. His being in a cong. did afford him opportunity to prey on someone he thought would trust him.

Quiet and reserved does not make him a serial killer.
My husband is quiet and reserved and he is neither a witness it a serial killer.

I was an unbaptized witness most of my life and most if my family members are currently witnesses. So yes, I do know how much of your life is controlled by them.

[hMMMMM]

acrobat wrote:

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Uh, really? Have you ever been a Witness? I don't mean that insultingly, but to say what you said seems to indicate you haven't had much experience being one and how much of one's life is wrapped up in being one.
An example: His co-workers described him as quiet and withdrawn (or reserved, I forget the exact word). At any rate, not as social as social as others.
To the outside person who doesn't know he's a JW, this sounds like the slight hints of a maniacal serial killer.
To the JW who knows him as a JW, this makes perfect sense that a *worldly* co-worker sees him this way. He's not super outgoing with them precisely because he's a Witness, and this is how Witnesses interact with worldlings: cautiously, on an as-needed basis, etc.
To most people, this seems to be indicative of a slightly off-kilter personality. To Witnesses, it's one indication that he's remaining true to his faith and keeping separate from Satan's system of things.
Surely you get that, right?
His membership in the congregation is patently central to how he gets opportunity to commit this heinous crime.

Holt was a male baptized Jehovah's Witness.
He was probably a ministerial servant at the very least.
The spin control of the WBTS only proves how evil the JW cult is.
You are correct, only those of us who lived in the Jehovah's witnesses, know it is not merely a "religion" it is designed to overtake every aspect of your life

Whitney was brainwashed her entire life to believe Holt was not only a NOT a danger, but chosen by God to be a better human being than anyone else.

My heart breaks for her, she had no idea.
If Holt had NOT confessed, every Jehovah's witness on this board, at her Kingdumb Hall and on planet earth, would be supporting Holt, and claiming that his arrest was nothing but religious persecution as predicted in the NWT of the Bible, as a sign that the New System was right around the corner!
This would be despite DNA evidence, as Whitney would have been painted by the Jehovah's Witnesses, those who have been lying to news outlets, as a "slut".
Just look at Isabelle Jarka.
This would have been no different.
Holt was a bad JW, he did not call "the society" before entering a plea.

[man711]

acrobat wrote:

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Quite agree, entirely inappropriate.

Notice he/she/it doesn't agree. What a surprise?

[Spike]

question, if anyone knows...Whitney was a JW, what about her husband? Baptized? attendee? what?