Does the word "jehovah" prevent peopl...

Does the word "jehovah" prevent people from finding GOD?

Created by Grandpasmurf952 on Dec 2, 2013

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#1 Dec 2, 2013
While this post is primarily concerned with the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, it is applicable to any religious organization that still clings to the errounous hybrid error, "jehovah".

Sooner or later with the rapid spread of information that the internet gives us, the word "jehovah" will be understood to be what it is, an attempt by a Roman Catholic monk to create a phonetic rendition of a Hebrew word, the tetragrammaton.

The Hebrew word accidently created as it turns out, means "god of Ruin, god of Calamity, god of Mischief:

Yah = God

hovah = Ruin, calamity, mischief.

www.strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/1943.htm

The governing body of th organization of Jehovah's Witnesses has told the followers that this errounous hybrid error, the word "jehovah". is the English translation of the Tetragrammaton.

This is unbelievably ignorant! Even if it was a literal translation, which it is not, the Monks translated the Bible into Latin in the 13th century. To do otherwise was to be burned alive as an heritic!

And to think these ignorant self-proclaimed spiritual leaders are responsible for the spiritual growth of seven million people. What a perfect example of the blind leading the blind!

For the leaders of the organization being perfectly aware of the error and continuing to tell their followers to go door to door telling people they have to call on this false god with the false name jehovah,(the god of Ruin, god of Calamity, god of Mischief), to be saved from a horrible battle called Armageddon (found only in one much disputed book in the bible added in the sixth century ) is insane!

More and more people are recognizing this is so. Between Judge Rutherford's choice of names for his god, and his choice of location for his god, not to mention where he got the idea for his god from in the first place, the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses is fast becoming a laughing stock on the internet to everyone but those still trapped in the organization.

(TO BE CONTINUED IN NEXT POST

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#2 Dec 2, 2013
(CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS POST )

For those Jehovah's Witnesses starting to wake up to their predicament, who are beginning to see the writing on the wall, It isn't GOD you are losing by letting go of this absurd belief system, it is a false religion that has taught you to turn away from the true OMNIPRESENT GOD of your childhood.

Remember this GOD of your childhood, if you can't remember, just trust that following the path of LOVE that the historical Jesus taught will restore the memory and the faith you once had before you learned how to TALK based on the accurate knowledge you were born with.

(the prodigal son/daughter comes home!)

It's directly between you and GOD. Any go-between is going between you and an imaginary god created by a misunderstanding of ancient writings.

No leaders, no organization, no dogma, no graven image, only the GOD that is LOVE:

Luke 10:25-37:

The Parable of the Good Samaritan

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus.“Teacher,” he asked,“what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied.“How do you read it?”

27 He answered,“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind and, Love your neighbor as yourself.”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied.“Do this and you will live.”

29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus,“And who is my neighbor?”

30 In reply Jesus said:“A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead.

31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side.

32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.

33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him.

34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him.

35 The next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper.‘Look after him,’ he said,‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied,“The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him,“Go and do likewise.”

That's it! Just follow the two most important commandments in the entire bible IN YOUR DAY TO DAY LIFE the best you can and you will be fine!
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#3 Dec 2, 2013
Do not believe anything written by ex Jehovah's witnesses, they are working for Satan now.

Jesus said, his sheep would know the truth and obey him as their shepherd, and the Bible is the only truth.
John 3:36

Jesus made God's personal name Jehovah, manifest to the Jews, because they had a mistaken understanding not to say God's name. If you knew your Bible, you would already know that God's name Jehovah is a name God gives himself.
Psalms 83:18

The English translation of YHWH the four Hebrew letters, to read Jehovah is the oldest and only accepted translation of God's name, Jehovah.
John 17:4-6

The Jewish language was originally written without vowels, but manuscripts dating before Christ, name Jehovah God as the God of the Jews.

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#4 Dec 2, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
Do not believe anything written by ex Jehovah's witnesses, they are working for Satan now.
Jesus said, his sheep would know the truth and obey him as their shepherd, and the Bible is the only truth.
John 3:36
Jesus made God's personal name Jehovah, manifest to the Jews, because they had a mistaken understanding not to say God's name. If you knew your Bible, you would already know that God's name Jehovah is a name God gives himself.
Psalms 83:18
The English translation of YHWH the four Hebrew letters, to read Jehovah is the oldest and only accepted translation of God's name, Jehovah.
John 17:4-6
The Jewish language was originally written without vowels, but manuscripts dating before Christ, name Jehovah God as the God of the Jews.
So who is right then? You, or your leaders who have admitted that the word "jehovah" is an error? You can't both be right.

http://www.towerwatch.com/Witnesses/jehovah%2...

"Since one of the outstanding features of the NWT is their abundant usage of the word Jehovah, how can they elsewhere admit that Yahweh is the more correct way to render God's name?

While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yah.weh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century.(3) "

How disrespectful can your governing body be? You reject everything Babylon the great believes yet your governing body says an error made in the 13th century by the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH is close enough FOR YOU TO CONTINUE TO USE EVEN THOUGH IT HAS A BLASPHEMOUS MEANING?

Even the Roman Catholic Church admits the error was made. Why can't you?

Wow! Either you, Twue Christian Witness, or your governing body are lying. Who is it? Is it you? OR IS IT BOTH OF YOU?

Theocratic warfare is the tool used by the desperate to defend the absurd
Exposing The Antichrist

San Jose, CA

#5 Dec 2, 2013
I don't think using the word "jehovah" as a name for God would necessarily hinder a person unless they already knew it was an erroneous hybrid error made in the 13th century and continued to knowingly use the word as a name for God in order to fit in with the rest of the people in their religion.

In that case it would be a real hindrance since it would be outright blasphemy!

But it's what's in one's heart that is important and as long as a person is truly ignorant of the true nature of the word "jehovah" I don't think it should be considered blasphemy to use it until one is more mature spiritually. But of course it's all up to God.
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#6 Dec 3, 2013
If you want the approval of the God you pray to in any religion, you would have to use his name, unless you did not know it.

That is not the case with God's people who read the Bible, the name of God that he wants his people to use is Jehovah, and Jesus used God's name when teaching the Jewish people.
For they all knew God's name is Jehovah, even if they did not speak it out loud. Matthew 6:9,10

Jesus taught his Jewish followers to pray to Jehovah God, except now for their prayers to be heard by Jehovah God, they were to ask their prayer in the name of Jesus for Jehovah God to answer their prayers. John 14:13

Jesus is to be the Amen for all God's people today, Jehovah's witnesses. Revelation 3:14

Thinking you are godly or obeying the commands of Jesus are the two different roads the Bible talks about, only one road leads to everlasting life in God's new world.
Matthew 7: 13,14
Light Bearer

Clearlake, CA

#8 Dec 4, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
If you want the approval of the God you pray to in any religion, you would have to use his name, unless you did not know it.
That is not the case with God's people who read the Bible, the name of God that he wants his people to use is Jehovah, and Jesus used God's name when teaching the Jewish people.
For they all knew God's name is Jehovah, even if they did not speak it out loud. Matthew 6:9,10
Jesus taught his Jewish followers to pray to Jehovah God, except now for their prayers to be heard by Jehovah God, they were to ask their prayer in the name of Jesus for Jehovah God to answer their prayers. John 14:13
Jesus is to be the Amen for all God's people today, Jehovah's witnesses. Revelation 3:14
Thinking you are godly or obeying the commands of Jesus are the two different roads the Bible talks about, only one road leads to everlasting life in God's new world.
Matthew 7: 13,14
Your logic only holds true if you believe in a universe that has more than one god. The Roman Pantheon had a whole bunch of them so naturally you would want to know their names so you could pray to the right one.

Names are identifiers to differentiate different things. That's how language works.

But the GOD of Israel is only ONE and this is the GOD of the historical Jesus.

The only name GOD needs is the one GOD gave to Moses at Mount Sinai as stated in Exodus 3:14 , "14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

It should be obvious why we should not say the name of
GOD out loud. It's not a superstition, just a form of respect for GOD.

This is why honorary titles are suitable for GOD just as you would address your biological parent with a respectful title. You wouldn't say "Hey Fred" to your father. It would be disrespectful. You only have on biological father, so Dad, Pop, Father, Papa, all titles that people use with respect for the only biological father that they have are perfectly logical.

And the same holds true for the only GOD that Jesus told us to pray to. You will notice he used a respectful title, "Our Father, who art in heaven".

You Jehovah's Witnesses going door to door insisting people call GOD jehovah (god of mischief) are about the most disrespectful people on the planet!

It would be even more disrespectful if you knew that was not GOD'S name! Now it's just ignorance and arrogance that causes you to go door to door rudely insulting your heavenly parent, GOD.

Jesus knew GOD'S name very well. It's in Exodus 3:14 and you can read it in English if you wish. But if you want to be polite to your heavenly parent, you will behave politely in your conversation with others and show respect for the GOD that gave you life.
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#9 Dec 5, 2013
I always post the Scriptures to prove what I teach is from the Bible, if you do not look up and read those Scriptures you will not be excused. You prove you like your understanding better than the truth Jesus wants preached today.
Matthew 24:14

I stated what the Bible teaches, that only God is the hearer of prayer, and it is your faith in your heart that God sees and answers, but if you are a Bible reader and profess to be a Christian, and you do not use God's personal name when you pray to Him, you will not be heard today in this time of judgement. We are in the very last hours of this world's existence.
1Thessalonians 1:8

Jehovah's witnesses don't care what god you worship or pray to, we are representatives of God's word the Bible, and the God we pray to and worship is Jehovah, the same God Jesus worshiped and prayed to and taught his followers to pray to, and to pray in the name of Jesus to be heard by Jehovah God.
Matthew 6:9,10
John 14:14
John chapter 17

If you want the God of the Bible to hear your prayers, I suggest you use his personal name, Jehovah. Since it is Jehovah God and not Jesus who is going to hear your prayers. Romans 10:13-15
Reality Is What It Is

Hayward, CA

#10 Dec 6, 2013
Jehovah's Witnesses are going to find it increasingly difficult to defend their religion. To have a religion who's whole existence was built on an error of such magnitude as getting GOD'S name wrong is an extremely awkward position to be in.

And denying the evidence is really a foolish way to try and deal with this problem in the information age:

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologeti...

to continue to deny irrefutable evidence though is not just foolish, it's dishonest.
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#11 Dec 8, 2013
Reality Is What It Is wrote:
Jehovah's Witnesses are going to find it increasingly difficult to defend their religion. To have a religion who's whole existence was built on an error of such magnitude as getting GOD'S name wrong is an extremely awkward position to be in.
And denying the evidence is really a foolish way to try and deal with this problem in the information age:
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologeti...
to continue to deny irrefutable evidence though is not just foolish, it's dishonest.
Jehovah's witnesses only have to preach the good news of God's Kingdom, and defend the Bible, so we don't have to worry about what other religions teach or say about God's name or his word, they will get their own reward.
Colossians 3:24:25

The Bible gives Jehovah's witnesses enough evidence to prove that we are on the right road and if we endure in our ministry as true Christians, we will survive or be resurrected into the new world prepared for God's obedient children.
Isaiah 65:17
1Peter 3:15
2Peter 3:13

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#12 Dec 9, 2013
Well, True Christian Witness,

you keep avoiding answering my question. Can you give me an honest answer?

I will repeat the question again:

So who is right then? You, or your leaders who have admitted that the word "jehovah" is an error? You can't both be right.

You say it's "jehovah", your leaders say it's not. Do you think you might be disfellowshiped for contradicting the governing body?

Are you afraid to even let them know who you are and that you are here on topix contradicting them for the whole world to see?

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#13 Dec 15, 2013
I see True Christian Witness is not up to the challenge to answer my question.

Well I feel the blasphemous word "jehovah" has stumbled at least seven million people who are going door to door insisting that people need to call on this blasphemous word for their salvation!

So I will keep bumping this thread to the top. Hopefully it will wake a few of you up to the absurdity of your situation.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#14 Dec 17, 2013
bttt
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#15 Dec 18, 2013
Our heavenly King Jesus is gathering his earthly subjects, not us... we only show people from their Bible what is applicable for today, since this world is facing the great tribulation, when all the governments of this world turn on and destroy all religions on this earth, with God's blessed approval.
If you are a member of one of these religions you will suffer the consequences as well.
Revelation 17: 16-18
Revelation 18:4

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