The Contribution of "JW's" to RT

The Contribution of "JW's" to RT

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#1 Nov 6, 2012
THE CONTRIBUTION OF "JW's" TO RT

To get you familiar with the initials above, "JW's" stand for "Jehovah Witnesses" and RT stands for Replacement Theology. And my point with this thread is to bring up to the felow posters' attention how serious is the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology.

In the afternoon of this last Saturday, I was visited by a couple of "JW's; a man and his wife. In their words of introduction was their identification. They wanted to make sure they were Biblically documented in the Hebrew Scriptures. How so, I asked? And they insisted that I read it myself in Isaiah 43:10. "You are My witnesses, says the Lord, and My servants whom I have chosen, to know and believe Me, and understand that I am He."

"All right," the man said, "We would like to make it very clear, if you don't mind, that we are not here to debate religion but to teach; and not to be taught." Then, I asked if I could ask questions. He agreed and asked me what was my question. I asked, "Whom is the Prophet speaking about in Isaiah 43?" He answered and said, "A people who would rise to be witnesses to Jehovah; and that's us," he said.

"Can I read just the first verse of Isaiah 43?" He agreed and that's what I read: "But now, thus says the Lord that created you, O Jacob, and He that formed you, O Israel; fear not for I have redeemed you; I have called you by your name; you are Mine."

"See what you are doing here today, sir? You are trying to replace us - Israel - with you - Christians. This is Replacement Theology, sir. And you know only too well; so much so that you tried to make sure from the onset, that debate would be a no no. You have made a mistake, sir. It just happens that Jews have a mind of their own. It means that you have a lot to learn in order to teach. If we can't give each other equal time to speak, you might as well leave." The wife apologized and they left. Obviously, the man was afraid to be refuted.

Ben
Jehovah is God

Tulsa, OK

#2 Nov 6, 2012
If Ben Masada knew the Greek Scriptures as well as he says he knows the Hebrew Scriptures he would know the Christian Congregation did replace the nation of Israel as God's people in the year 33 C.E. Galatians 3: 28,29

The apostle Paul was chosen by Jesus to be an apostle to the Gentiles, people who are not Jews. Almighty God Jehovah has rejected the Jews, people who killed his prophets and then killed their promised Messiah, Jesus.
John 19:15,16

It is Christendom that was to be the representative of Almighty God Jehovah's heavenly Kingdom, they failed as the Jews failed in being obedient and loyal to Jesus.
Christendom with all it's different sects or denominations are not acceptable to Jehovah God, they are not obedient and loyal subjects of God's heavenly Kingdom. Matthew 7:21

Since 1879 a small group of sincere Bible students were chosen to find the truth by Jehovah God's holy spirit, and since then that handful of people has grown to over 8 million, with millions studying to become true Christians today, Jehovah's witnesses.

The only way a Jew can have Jehovah God's approval is to obey the directions of Jesus at Matthew 28:19,20
Jehovah is God

Tulsa, OK

#3 Nov 7, 2012
The only way a Jew can have Almighty God Jehovah's approval and blessing today is to be baptized one of Jehovah's witnesses, that means you have dedicated your life to obey the directions of Almighty God Jehovah, through his King and his visible earthly organization of his named people.

(2 Peter 3:11-13). . .Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought YOU to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12 awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which [the] heavens being on fire will be dissolved and [the] elements being intensely hot will melt! 13 But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.

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#4 Nov 7, 2012
"JW" - If Ben Masada knew the Greek Scriptures as well as he says he knows the Hebrew Scriptures he would know the Christian Congregation did replace the nation of Israel as God's people in the year 33 C.E. Galatians 3: 28,29.

Ben - Wow! At least you recognize Replacement Theology in the NT. Most Christians deny under some kind of pretext. Of course, it had to be the Greek Scriptures. Paul was a hellenistic Jew and so were all the gospel writers. Jesus never even dreamed that the Greek Scriptures would ever rise. The books of the Macabbees refer to the hellenistic Jews as impeous and transgressors of the Law.

"JW" - The apostle Paul was chosen by Jesus to be an apostle to the Gentiles, people who are not Jews.

Ben - According to Paul of course! When Paul appeared in scene, Jesus had been gone for 35 years already. That's when Paul founded Christianity in Antioch.(Acts 11:26) Haven't you ever considered that he was lying?

"JW" - Almighty God Jehovah has rejected the Jews, people who killed his prophets and then killed their promised Messiah, Jesus.
John 19:15,16.

Ben - According to Jeremiah 31:36, as long as the natural laws function properly, Israel will remain as a People before the Lord forever. Messiah means the anointed of the Lord. Read Habakkuk 3:13
and you will see that the Messiah is Israel His anointed one. It says in there that the Lord comes forth to save His People; to save His anointed one. Therefore, Jesus, as a private individual, could not have been the Messiah.

"JW" - It is Christendom that was to be the representative of Almighty God Jehovah's heavenly Kingdom, they failed as the Jews failed in being obedient and loyal to Jesus.

Ben - The obedience of the Jew is to God's Law; and his loyalty is to the Lord Himself and not to Jesus. Jesus was just another Jew.

"JW" - Christendom with all it's different sects or denominations are not acceptable to Jehovah God, they are not obedient and loyal subjects of God's heavenly Kingdom. Matthew 7:21.

Ben - You are part of Christendom as a Christian. Are you trying to cover it up that you too are not acceptable to Jehovah?

"JW" - Since 1879 a small group of sincere Bible students were chosen to find the truth by Jehovah God's holy spirit, and since then that handful of people has grown to over 8 million, with millions studying to become true Christians today, Jehovah's witnesses.

Ben - Do you happen to know what the Truth is? Jesus said that the Truth is the Word of Jehovah.(John 17:17) He probably read Psalm 147:19,20, where the Psalmist says that the Word of Jehovah was given to Israel only and to no other people on earth. It means that the Truth is either found with the Jewish People or the Psalmist was lying.

"JW" - The only way a Jew can have Jehovah God's approval is to obey the directions of Jesus at Matthew 28:19,20.

Ben - Those directions in Mat. 28:19,20 were never given by Jesus but by the Hellenist who wrote that gospel. Jesus was a loyal Jewish man and Jews do not believe in the Trinity. Real Jews are monotheistic believers of absolutely One God. Jesus himself said that Jehovah is One and the only Lord. Read Mark 12:29.

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#5 Nov 7, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
The only way a Jew can have Almighty God Jehovah's approval and blessing today is to be baptized one of Jehovah's witnesses, that means you have dedicated your life to obey the directions of Almighty God Jehovah, through his King and his visible earthly organization of his named people.
(2 Peter 3:11-13). . .Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought YOU to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12 awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which [the] heavens being on fire will be dissolved and [the] elements being intensely hot will melt! 13 But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.
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In your first post above, you acknowledged that indeed Christendom has replaced Judaism. Are you aware that a few Scholars consider Replacement Theology a kind of Christian Antisemitism? A serious charge, don't you think so? I wonder if this view of yours is an adopted policy of your religious organization.

The kingdom of heavens, according to Jesus himself, was a state of mind supposed to be found within ourselves and not a place to go to. Read Luke 17:21. You don't strike me as being well aware of your own NT.

Ben
Jehovah is God

Pryor, OK

#6 Nov 7, 2012
Bible Scholars and Church Theologians are completely ignorant of the truth of God's word the Bible. They can only see and understand what they all agree on is the truth, but not according to God's word. They read the Bible to prove the doctrines that have been taught, accepted and taught for many centuries by the Churches.

Your opinion of Jehovah's witnesses and what you say is our own teachings, and against the Jews as antisemitism is a Scriptural truth, it is only the people who have been educated by Almighty God Jehovah's holy spirit that have the intelligence with wisdom that can see the truth. It is not granted to you to see the truth, you must be humble and meek to be gathered by Jehovah God into the spiritual Ark that will survive Armageddon, the end of this world.

Matthew 13:10-15
Jehovah is God

Pryor, OK

#7 Nov 7, 2012
Jehovah's witnesses are no part of the Churches of Christendom and it's man made religious doctrines, that are not taught in the Scriptures. Jehovah's witnesses are a world wide united brotherhood as one congregation of Jehovah's witnesses.

Jehovah's witnesses are not part of this world, it's ungodly, immoral and violent way of life and entertainment. Jehovah's witnesses try to live their lives according to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
We do not vote or go to war caused by politicians of this ungodly world.

2Peter 3:11-13

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#8 Nov 8, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
Bible Scholars and Church Theologians are completely ignorant of the truth of God's word the Bible. They can only see and understand what they all agree on is the truth, but not according to God's word. They read the Bible to prove the doctrines that have been taught, accepted and taught for many centuries by the Churches.
Your opinion of Jehovah's witnesses and what you say is our own teachings, and against the Jews as antisemitism is a Scriptural truth, it is only the people who have been educated by Almighty God Jehovah's holy spirit that have the intelligence with wisdom that can see the truth. It is not granted to you to see the truth, you must be humble and meek to be gathered by Jehovah God into the spiritual Ark that will survive Armageddon, the end of this world.
Matthew 13:10-15
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Listen my friend, do you believe the Scriptures? Do you believe the
Psalms? The Psalmist says more than clear that God's Word was given
to Israel only and to no other people on earth. Read Psalm 147:19,20. If God's Word is the Truth, according to Jesus himself in John 17:17, it means that Truth is to be found with Israel, the Jewish People. If Jesus and the Psalmist were not lying, what kind of truth you have if you are not Jewish? I am not saying anything out of the top of my head. It is all written in both, the Tanach and your NT. How do you find so hard to understand this truth?

Ben

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#9 Nov 8, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
Jehovah's witnesses are no part of the Churches of Christendom and it's man made religious doctrines, that are not taught in the Scriptures. Jehovah's witnesses are a world wide united brotherhood as one congregation of Jehovah's witnesses.
Jehovah's witnesses are not part of this world, it's ungodly, immoral and violent way of life and entertainment. Jehovah's witnesses try to live their lives according to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
We do not vote or go to war caused by politicians of this ungodly world. 2Peter 3:11-13
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To me, all that you say is mere verbal juggling that means nothing.
You are refuted by the own Scriptures you claim to believe. Then, by using Isaiah 43:10 to indentify yourselves, you are only plagiarizing from what has nothing to do with Christians but with Israel, the Jewish People. My advice is that you should stop misleading yourself into what your leaders have told you to believe. I don't think you have what it takes to discuss the Truth with a Jew. Why don't you give my email to another "JW" who can say something with substance? Here's my email: Shalom007@hotmail.com.

Ben
Jehovah is God

Miami, OK

#10 Nov 8, 2012
Ben_Masada wrote:
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To me, all that you say is mere verbal juggling that means nothing.
You are refuted by the own Scriptures you claim to believe. Then, by using Isaiah 43:10 to indentify yourselves, you are only plagiarizing from what has nothing to do with Christians but with Israel, the Jewish People. My advice is that you should stop misleading yourself into what your leaders have told you to believe. I don't think you have what it takes to discuss the Truth with a Jew. Why don't you give my email to another "JW" who can say something with substance? Here's my email: Shalom007@hotmail.com.
Ben
As true Christians, Jehovah's witnesses are to preach the good news of God's Kingdom, it is the meek and humble person that will listen and obey the direction the Scriptures are giving God's named people today.
John 17:3 Matthew 24:14

I can discuss the Bible with anyone, it is the Jew that is self righteous to believe they have Jehovah's approval because they are Jewish. The Jews are not acceptable to Jehovah God because they are
just as corrupted as the self righteous Chritians, who believe they are saved because they believe Jesus Christ is their savior.

It is the person who is obedient to the direction of Jesus and his slave class who are preaching the truth about the one true God of the Bible, Almighty God Jehovah.
John 3:36

Your posts show you do not believe Jesus is the Messiah to the nation of Israel or anyone else, so why do you argue Scriptures you do not believe.

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#11 Nov 9, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
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As true Christians, Jehovah's witnesses are to preach the good news of God's Kingdom, it is the meek and humble person that will listen and obey the direction the Scriptures are giving God's named people today.
John 17:3 Matthew 24:14
I can discuss the Bible with anyone, it is the Jew that is self righteous to believe they have Jehovah's approval because they are Jewish. The Jews are not acceptable to Jehovah God because they are
just as corrupted as the self righteous Chritians, who believe they are saved because they believe Jesus Christ is their savior.
It is the person who is obedient to the direction of Jesus and his slave class who are preaching the truth about the one true God of the Bible, Almighty God Jehovah.
John 3:36
Your posts show you do not believe Jesus is the Messiah to the nation of Israel or anyone else, so why do you argue Scriptures you do not believe.
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I argue Scriptures with Christians because of their arrogance to promote the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology. To use Jews to preach Greek Mythology is vandalism of Judaism by Christianity. It is only natural that a Jew must rise to stand for Judaism. Perhaps you do not understand much about Replacement Theology. Read this:

REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY

Replacement Theology is as old as Christianity itself, considering that the etimology of the expression acquired its real meaning with the rise of Christianity.

Some people object to the focusing on Christianity for the reason why Replacement Theology originated, because the Jewish People was not the only ancient people with the original claim to be God's chosen People.

It's true that a few other ancient peoples upheld the same claim, but there was never one to rise with the claim that a people had been replaced by another as God's chosen People.

Christianity became the first religious organization to rise with the claim that a change had occurred in the designs of God, which would define the rejection of the Jewish People, and resplacement with Christianity.

The classical NT document, which would give rise to this Christian policy is found in Galatians 4:21-31.

Paul would compare God's Covenant with the Jewish People as Hagar, who was Sara's slave girl, and the Jews as her son, who was rejected even to share with Isaac, the inheritance of Canaan. On the other hand, he compares Christianity to Sara and Christians to her son Isaac.

To conclude, Paul appeals to cast out the slave girl together with her son for the obvious reason that Israel, the Jewish People, would never be an heir with the son of the one born free.

That's the picture of Replacement Theology and not simply a people claiming Divine election. A group of Interfaith Scholars have classified Replacement Theology as a kind of Antisemitism.

Ben
Jehovah is God

Claremore, OK

#12 Nov 9, 2012
Jehovah's witnesses do not hate anyone because they are of a different race or religion, I repeat, it is the person himself that either accepts or rejects the Kingdom direction the Scriptures are giving for these last days.
Matthew 28:19,20

If you are not studying your Bible with Jehovah's witnesses to become a fellow witness of Jesus to Almighty God Jehovah's Universal Sovereignty and accept his son Jesus as our reigning King, you have made the choice to stay with this ungodly world and it's complete destruction at Armageddon.
2Peter 3:6,7

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#13 Nov 12, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
Jehovah's witnesses do not hate anyone because they are of a different race or religion, I repeat, it is the person himself that either accepts or rejects the Kingdom direction the Scriptures are giving for these last days.
Matthew 28:19,20
If you are not studying your Bible with Jehovah's witnesses to become a fellow witness of Jesus to Almighty God Jehovah's Universal Sovereignty and accept his son Jesus as our reigning King, you have made the choice to stay with this ungodly world and it's complete destruction at Armageddon.
2Peter 3:6,7
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Matthew 28:19,20 - I am glad you quoted that text of Matthew. I did
not know that "JW's" believe in the Christian Trinity. To bapttize in the name of the (1) Father,(2) Son, and (3) Holy Spirit is a promotion of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. Do you think a monotheistic Jew would go for the polytheism of the Trinity? That's
an adoption from the Greek trinity of Zeus, Posseidon and Hades.

It is from studying the Bible that I have come to the conclusion that the real Jehovah witnesses, identified by Isaiah in 43:10 are the Jews, if you read Isaiah 43:1. Therefore I am a real Jehovah's Witness."

Individually, Jesus was not the son of God. And yes, but as part of the People of Israel, according to Exodus 4:22,23. "Israel is My
son; so, let My son go that he may serve Me." To claim that Jesus was the son of God is to adopt the Greek myth of the demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman. I think you are not studying your Bible.

And last but not least, Jesus cannot be accepted as king because he has been dead for 2,000 years. While he was alive, he was never king. BTW, that claim was the reason why he was crucified. INRI.

Ben
Jehovah is God

Tulsa, OK

#14 Nov 13, 2012
Ben_Masada wrote:
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Matthew 28:19,20 - I am glad you quoted that text of Matthew. I did
not know that "JW's" believe in the Christian Trinity. To bapttize in the name of the (1) Father,(2) Son, and (3) Holy Spirit is a promotion of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. Do you think a monotheistic Jew would go for the polytheism of the Trinity? That's
an adoption from the Greek trinity of Zeus, Posseidon and Hades.
It is from studying the Bible that I have come to the conclusion that the real Jehovah witnesses, identified by Isaiah in 43:10 are the Jews, if you read Isaiah 43:1. Therefore I am a real Jehovah's Witness."
Individually, Jesus was not the son of God. And yes, but as part of the People of Israel, according to Exodus 4:22,23. "Israel is My
son; so, let My son go that he may serve Me." To claim that Jesus was the son of God is to adopt the Greek myth of the demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman. I think you are not studying your Bible.
And last but not least, Jesus cannot be accepted as king because he has been dead for 2,000 years. While he was alive, he was never king. BTW, that claim was the reason why he was crucified. INRI.
Ben
This will be my last post to you, do not speak for Jehovah's witnesses or say what we believe, you are in total darkness as to the truth of the Scriptures.

Jehovah's witnesses do not preach or accept any doctrines of Christendoms denominational churches or sects. Jehovah's witnesses only preach and teach and obey the Scriptural direction given today to insure our personal relationship with Almighty God Jehovah, all I have to do is show you what you have to do to have everlasting life, you either accept it or reject it.

You rejected it, you are making yourself one with this ungodly world, you must separate yourself and become a witness for Almighty God Jehovah, I didn't say that, Jesus said that at John 10:16. James 4:4

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#15 Nov 13, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
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This will be my last post to you, do not speak for Jehovah's witnesses or say what we believe, you are in total darkness as to the truth of the Scriptures.
Jehovah's witnesses do not preach or accept any doctrines of Christendoms denominational churches or sects. Jehovah's witnesses only preach and teach and obey the Scriptural direction given today to insure our personal relationship with Almighty God Jehovah, all I have to do is show you what you have to do to have everlasting life, you either accept it or reject it.
You rejected it, you are making yourself one with this ungodly world, you must separate yourself and become a witness for Almighty God Jehovah, I didn't say that, Jesus said that at John 10:16. James 4:4
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Listen my friend, I never intended to speak for "JW's". I speak for
the Jews because they are the ones who have the Truth of Jehovah. What is funny is that you quote Mat. 28:19,20 and get upset at me. The text speaks of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. If you agree with the text it is because you believe the message.

You say that I am totally in the dark about the Truth of Jehovah. You say that because you don't believe in the Word of Jehovah. Jesus said that the Truth is the Word of Jehovah (John 17:17) And the Psalmist says that the Word of Jehovah was given to Israel only
and to no other people on earth. It means that, if you are not Jewish, you don't have it.

Then, you cannot show me how to get eternal life because this attribute was not granted to man. Only God has it. Do you understand why Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden? To prevent them from eating of the tree of life and live forever.(Gen. 3:22) It means we can't have eternal life. See how much you need to learn in the Word of Jehovah?

But, as you have said above, you have written your last. I knew from the very beginning you did not have what it takes to discuss the Truth with a Jew. Do you know why? Because the Jews are the ones who, according to the Word of Jehovah, have the Truth.

Before I let you go, take a look at Zechariah 8:23. Many from among the nations will one day try to reach for every Jew and ask to accept them, because they have finally acknowledge that Jehovah is with the Jews. When that happens, don't be embarrassed, we will welcome you.

Ben
Jehovah is God

Tulsa, OK

#16 Nov 13, 2012
Jehovah God will never accept the nation of Jews as his people, they have already proved they are unfaithful and disobedient to the direction of the Messianic King Jesus, now ruling over God's chosen people, only Jehovah's witnesses.

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#17 Nov 14, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
Jehovah God will never accept the nation of Jews as his people, they have already proved they are unfaithful and disobedient to the direction of the Messianic King Jesus, now ruling over God's chosen people, only Jehovah's witnesses.
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Oh, you are back? I don't know why but, somehow I am glad.

By saying that Jehovah will never accept the nation of the Jews, you only prove that you are not familiah with the Word of Jehovah. Read Jer. 46:28. "Of the other nations, Jehovah will eventually make an end of them; but of Israel, He will only chastise us as we deserve."

Besides, if you read Jer. 31:36, "As long as the natural laws function properly, Israel will remain as a People before Jehovah forever." Have the natural laws stopped? No. That's proof that the Word of Jehovah does not fail.

You say above: "Only Jehovah Witnesses." I have already proved to you with Isaiah 43:1,10 that the real Jehovah's Witnesses are the Jews. Any Christian claiming that for themselves, it's Replacement Theology which is nothing but vandalism of Judaism by Christianity.

Ben

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