CBCP: Stop finger pointing

There are 20 comments on the Nov 17, 2013, ABS-CBN News story titled CBCP: Stop finger pointing. In it, ABS-CBN News reports that:

MANILA, Philippines Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Socrates Villegas, incoming president of the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines, urged the public on Thursday to stop name-calling and blame-passing amid the ongoing relief and rescue efforts in areas devastated by Super Typhoon Yolanda.

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Antonio Lopa

Quezon City, Philippines

#1 Nov 17, 2013
There are still too many unknown facts that are hidden under the debris and there will be many days yet to go before every things will be back to normal again. Many are still hungry and homeless, yet critics are once more busy blaming the system for their lack of rapid aid distribution. This is foolish. Yolanda is the first typhoon of it's kind Serve the aged and the babies that the world has experienced and it must not be expected that anybody is an expert on how to organize a steady flow of food and medicine Stop complaining and be out there to help. Open your heart out and give a hand instead.Devastation is total and it may take weeks to really fill the needs of thousands of victims. Let us serve the aged and babies first and thank God you have survived.
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#2 Nov 17, 2013
Antonio Lopa wrote:
There are still too many unknown facts that are hidden under the debris and there will be many days yet to go before every things will be back to normal again. Many are still hungry and homeless, yet critics are once more busy blaming the system for their lack of rapid aid distribution. This is foolish. Yolanda is the first typhoon of it's kind Serve the aged and the babies that the world has experienced and it must not be expected that anybody is an expert on how to organize a steady flow of food and medicine Stop complaining and be out there to help. Open your heart out and give a hand instead.Devastation is total and it may take weeks to really fill the needs of thousands of victims. Let us serve the aged and babies first and thank God you have survived.
Lopa,

The number one critic of the Philippine government is the Roman Catholic Church!!! For her bishops are of the belief that what their counterparts during colonial times did was much better!!! Indeed, it was much better!!! Gomez, Burgos, and Zamora who were Catholic priests paid for what was "better" for the:

"Church of sinners and of fools."

Reference:(Hastings, Adrian. In Filial Disobedience, p. 126.)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#3 Nov 17, 2013
One undisciplined Roman Catholic priest did the fingerpointing first against the Iglesia ni Cristo and without verifying the fact that Catholic faithfuls were give shelter and food inside Iglesia ni Cristo chapels in Leyte and Samar!!!
Fingerpointing is passing the buck!!!

But the Vatican State is doing nothing but is opening her glutton mouth to doleouts from the outside!!! No shame at all!!!

Ex-Catholic priest, Adrian Hastings, is correct again in making the statement that:

"the power of the Church (Catholic) has been used in history to do the devil's work."

Reference:(Hastings, Adrian. In Filial Disobedience, p. 127.)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#4 Nov 17, 2013
That INM story about housing Catholics and Protestants was only to counter the accusation that an INM church refused help to a non-member. There is no way to prove this "help" is real or not unless someone from the media (that is not of INCTV or any other cult television), is able to actually verify it.

There will be at least 100x the help from Catholics and Protestants than there will be from the INM cult. I have yet to see reports if INM will be helping only their own or will they be helping others of different faith? You can guarantee that Catholics and Protestants will be helping everyone without question of their religion.

And isnt it policy that INM chapels are not to be used as shelters? Though it is reported that they did help shelter some of their own members. Meanwhile you see tons of photos of Catholic Churches being used as shelters to ANYONE who needs.

If your Adrian Hastings quote is accurate (and many times here on topix you have found to purposely mis-quoted, then you are not understanding what Hastings is saying. He never said that the Catholic Church is the devil's work...but the power of the Catholic Church has been used for devil's work. Big difference, dope. No one denies there have been many bad people within the Catholic Church but in no way does it make the Catholic Church bad or wrong in it's teachings.

There is nothing Christian about you, Jose. You are a liar and a deceiver just like all the INM cult administration and ministers. I feel bad for the good people who have been brainwashed by the INM cult.
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#5 Nov 18, 2013
TheRealOzzy wrote:
That INM story about housing Catholics and Protestants was only to counter the accusation that an INM church refused help to a non-member. There is no way to prove this "help" is real or not unless someone from the media (that is not of INCTV or any other cult television), is able to actually verify it.
Ozzy,

Really, there is no proof of our helping??? Just read accounts of newspapers telling the public that the Metro Manila governmnts closed their offices because of the "Aid To Humanity" socio-civic action of the Iglesia ni Cristo wherein 3.6 million attended and became beneficiaries!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#6 Nov 18, 2013
TheRealOzzy wrote:
That INM story about housing Catholics and Protestants was only to counter the accusation that an INM church refused help to a non-member.
Ozzy,

No need to counter the gossips of Roman Catholic priests!!! They are known already to the public for doing non-virtues:

"That all priests do not practice all the virtues, that some have fallen into the grave and scandalous error, is a fact which no serious person could deny. From the earliest days priests have been guilty even of heresy, indeed, all the heresies of Christendom have been started and promoted by priests..."

Reference:(Whereon To Stand: What Catholics Believe And Why, pp. 240-241)

Priests are jealous and envious of the Iglesia ni Cristo because our chapels dominate the skylines while theirs dominate the garbage dump after the earthquake and typhoon!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
lol d original

San Francisco, CA

#7 Nov 18, 2013
Wake up Elias and spread peace and unity, not hatred!

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#8 Nov 18, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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Priests are jealous and envious of the Iglesia ni Cristo because our chapels dominate the skylines while theirs dominate the garbage dump after the earthquake and typhoon!!!
So INM can afford to have better built buildings in shanty towns made of sticks and sheet metal...good for you! That is surely something to be proud of!

Yes, INM cult loves to build their churches in the poorest of areas. It makes them stand out. It's actually quite shameful to boast such a thing.
SHYKORA PAUL arts

Calgary, Canada

#9 Nov 18, 2013
..this is most interesting,here..eh

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#10 Nov 18, 2013
Show me where Iglesia ni cristo cult buildings dominate the skylines in these photos

http://de.wallpaperswiki.org/wallpapers/2012/...
http://www.hindustantimes.com/images/httravel...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000Vn...
http://www.48houradventure.com/wp-content/upl...
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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Ozzy,
No need to counter the gossips of Roman Catholic priests!!! They are known already to the public for doing non-virtues:
"That all priests do not practice all the virtues, that some have fallen into the grave and scandalous error, is a fact which no serious person could deny. From the earliest days priests have been guilty even of heresy, indeed, all the heresies of Christendom have been started and promoted by priests..."
Reference:(Whereon To Stand: What Catholics Believe And Why, pp. 240-241)
Priests are jealous and envious of the Iglesia ni Cristo because our chapels dominate the skylines while theirs dominate the garbage dump after the earthquake and typhoon!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#11 Nov 18, 2013
I bet Elias will bring up his nameless Japanese architect that said somebody mows the front lawn at INM chapels.

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#12 Nov 18, 2013
I saw the Gem 25 report of that very church that has become popular among INM cult members that shows it standing among the ruined shanty town.

In the report, there was interview with one man who stated that many INM members were already sheltered in the church before the storm.

My question is "Why only INM members?" Not once did I hear where non-members were helped by that church.

Meanwhile, Catholic and Protestant churches accepted anyone of any faith, even those of no faith.

Keep twisting, INM cult!
Antonio Lopa

Quezon City, Philippines

#13 Nov 18, 2013
Do not bother to waste your time replying Ibarra's comments. He does his topic of hate against the Catholic Church to make them mad at him and commit the sin of HATE. We do not hate anybody but him and his antics. He is an advocate of the Devil. He is the likeness of the Fallen Angel, SATAN or LUCIFER. Away with you Satan.
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#14 Nov 18, 2013
lol d original wrote:
Wake up Elias and spread peace and unity, not hatred!
Lol,

We can have peace and unity only when Catholic popes, priests, and Protestant ministers start practicing virtues!!! There is absence of virtues in them:

"Theodora, the wife of Theophylact, a chief official of the papal court, and her daughter Marozia made and unmade popes practically at will throughout much of the tenth century, a period aptly known as the 'nadir of the papacy'. In 906, Marozia, at the age of fifteen, became the mistress of Pope Sergius III. They had one child, John, who subsequently became Pope John XI. In 914, Theodora's lover, Bishop John of Ravenna, became Pope John X. Marozia, after having enjoyed a succession of lovers, married Guido, Duke of Tuscany. The newlyweds conspired to unseat the Pope, who was her mother's lover. Joining with John's enemies, Marozia and Guido cast Pope John X in prison, and in 928, had him suffocated. In 931, Marozia raised to the Holy See Pope John XI, her illegitimate son by Pope Segius III....In 955, Marozia's grandson became Pope John XII and distinguished his pontificate with debauched orgies in the Lateran Palace."

Reference:(Paul Williams, Everything You Always Wanted to Know About the Catholic Church But Were Afraid to Ask For Fear of Excommunication. New York: Doubleday, 1989, p.17-18)

"On October 30, 1501, Burchard described a dinner in the apartment of Caesar in the Vatican at which fifty naked Roman harlots chased chestnuts that were scattered over the floor, while Pope Alexander (VI) and Lucrezia looked on with amusement."

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#15 Nov 18, 2013
Newsflash!!! Several Catholic churches (Catholic business enterprise) in Bicol were rubbled to the ground by Miss Yolanda who was once victimized !!! by the Vatican chihuahuas!!! No false Virgin Mary appeared to assist!!!

Suddenly, Catholic worshipped images became cross-eyed!!! These can't even help themselves though advertised as performing miracles!!! What a scam!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#16 Nov 18, 2013
Iglesia_Ni_Dinuguan wrote:
Iglesia Kato Na, Liko Pa,

Here are the proofs:

'Distinctive, imposing, High Standard, dynamic'

" ... the INC each year dedicates approximately 100 church buildings that bristle with magnificent spires, feature concrete soaring arches, are painted in distinctive pastel colors, and display high standards of maintenance. Enclosed by imposing fences and carefully manicured grounds, each church dominate the local skyline. The imposing sacred structures of this dynamic religion have thus imprinted both urban and rural landscapes of the Philippines."

Reference:(Reed, Robert. "From local to global: The expanding mission of the Iglesia Ni Cristo in the Philippines and throughout the world." Retrieved April 21, 2003 from http://www.ethnicstudies.ucsd.edu/html/spring ...)

a Japanese architect was driving in Tondo and saw the Iglesia church there. Its like a jewel sparkling in the sun.I have traveled to many places, but I have not seen anything like it.

Reference:(A signature in the sky, Philippine Free Press, p.15)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#17 Nov 18, 2013
TheRealOzzy wrote:
I saw the Gem 25 report of that very church that has become popular among INM cult members that shows it standing among the ruined shanty town.
In the report, there was interview with one man who stated that many INM members were already sheltered in the church before the storm.
My question is "Why only INM members?" Not once did I hear where non-members were helped by that church.
Meanwhile, Catholic and Protestant churches accepted anyone of any faith, even those of no faith.
Keep twisting, INM cult!
Ozzy,

This is where Catholic faithfuls cannot take shelter!!! It is for auction because of the Catholic's "Great Religious Recession":

A dramatic slump in the number of regular churchgoers is forcing the German Catholic Church to go to desperate lengths to save money.

http://clericalwhispers.blogspot.com/2013/03/ ...

Unused church properties to be auctioned for quick sale

BY MATTHEW GAMBINO
The Archdiocese of Philadelphia will auction off several properties in Philadelphia and the suburbs later this month in hopes of raising much-needed cash, it announced June 28. Max Spann Real Estate and Auction is leading the process for the Archdiocese.

http://catholicphilly.com/2013/07/local-news/ ...

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#18 Nov 18, 2013
Antonio Lopa wrote:
Do not bother to waste your time replying Ibarra's comments. He does his topic of hate against the Catholic Church to make them mad at him and commit the sin of HATE. We do not hate anybody but him and his antics. He is an advocate of the Devil. He is the likeness of the Fallen Angel, SATAN or LUCIFER. Away with you Satan.
Tonyong Tsupa,

Here are the chihuahuas of the fallen angel, Satan:

One of the devil's work was done by Pope Alexander VI of the Roman Catholic Church together with his lover, Lucrezia, when attending a dinner in the apartment of Caesar in the Vatican!!! Fifty naked Roman harlots chased chestnuts that were scattered all over the floor and the prosties were all naked Roman Catholics!!!

"On October 30, 1501, Burchard described a dinner in the apartment of Caesar in the Vatican at which fifty naked Roman harlots chased chestnuts that were scattered over the floor, while Pope Alexander (VI) and Lucrezia looked on with amusement."

Reference:(Reference:(Paul Williams, Everything You Always Wanted to Know About the Catholic Church But Were Afraid to Ask For Fear of Excommunication. New York: Doubleday, 1989, p.19)

Yet, the pope who was amused while watching naked Roman Catholic prosties, was one of those who claimed that he is the Vicar of Christ:

"VICAR OF CHRIST. The Pope, visible head of the Church on earth, acting for and in the place of Christ. He possesses supreme ecclesiastical authority in the Catholic Church. This title for the Pope dates from at least the eight century and gradually replaced the former title,'Vicar of St. Peter.' Its biblical basis is Christ's commission of Peter to 'feed my lambs, feed my sheep'(John 21:15-17)."

Reference: The Modern Catholic Dictionary, page 561.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#19 Nov 18, 2013
TheRealOzzy wrote:
I saw the Gem 25 report of that very church that has become popular among INM cult members that shows it standing among the ruined shanty town.
In the report, there was interview with one man who stated that many INM members were already sheltered in the church before the storm.
My question is "Why only INM members?" Not once did I hear where non-members were helped by that church.
Meanwhile, Catholic and Protestant churches accepted anyone of any faith, even those of no faith.
Keep twisting, INM cult!
Ozzy,

Those Roman Catholics who never entered the INC chapels were those who were swept away to the sea by the walls of water!!! They were planning to loot nearby malls and stores including ATMs!!! Those who were inside Iglesia ni Cristo chapels were given food and medical provisions even before the world came to realize that there is a need to provide aid to the needy!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#20 Nov 18, 2013
TheRealOzzy wrote:
<quoted text>
So INM can afford to have better built buildings in shanty towns made of sticks and sheet metal...good for you! That is surely something to be proud of!
Yes, INM cult loves to build their churches in the poorest of areas. It makes them stand out. It's actually quite shameful to boast such a thing.
Ozzy,

Grandiose and beautiful chapels of the Iglesia ni Cristo are for the glory of the true Almighty Father and not of the spurious Holy Trinity:

"It cannot therefore be seriously maintained that the mystery of the Divine Trinity was early revealed" in the Old Testament".

Reference: Pohle, Joseph. The Divine Trinity: A Dogmatic Treatise, p. 20, 13th impression. Montana and London: B. Huder Book Co., 1950.

A Roman Catholic catechetical book categorically states:

"The word 'Trinity' does not appear in the New Testament."

Reference:(The Teaching of Christ: A Catholic Catechism for Adults, p. 177.)

Improve your very low I.Q.!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

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