Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70657 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70570 Apr 4, 2013
John wrote:
The question was for you Bob. You don't agree with those responses. You might say you do, but you are a proven liar. You would force your views on others if left to your own devices.
I would suggest you look at many court rulings that don't use the logic empatheist just did in his post. We have judges legislating from the bench and using it to advance certain when causes.
I would also suggest you rethink government funding. These are no more than payouts to with the requisite strings attached. It's far from a religious issue either. Only scientists of certain thinking get funding. For instance global warming. Why not just let scientists be scientists and let the facts win the day.
This tool is used in education, gun control, health fraud,,,,
Yet another reason for a flat tax.
Thankfully Bob my taxes will pay for your sex change if you go to prison.
No answers from Bob because he knows his insanity is too over the top to be honest.
You keep IGNORING MY QUESTION, John:

Who Would Jesus Hate?

Still no argument for "prime mover".

Why?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70571 Apr 4, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a proven liar Bob. You have claimed for years you have provided an accountable position of belief.
I explained that years ago-- I'm so sorry you cannot work Google.

You keep IGNORING MY QUESTION, John:

Who Would Jesus Hate?

Still no argument for "prime mover".

Why?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70572 Apr 4, 2013
John wrote:
No they are fighting/lashing out at God. Most of them. This forum has gone on for years and it happens with or without me. You think simple disbelief has carried the forum in all its venom this long? The evidence speaks otherwise. Speaking of evidence. Do you have any in this arena you hold others accountable to?
I've already exposed your standard of evidence yet you want ME to provide YOU evidence in your forum. Let me guess you'll be the arbiter. Your forum insists on fighting God, you can't stay away from him. I've made it clear, apparently you don't read my posts that I don't debate nothing. God is merely an axe and diversion created by loons to mask their nothing agenda.
You've made the claim there is no God so prove it. That's your deal and problem whether its impossible or not. I've offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief you want to make a case for. You have failed miserably. Not my problem.
Regurgitating tired nonpoints despite four years of me being clear makes it obvious you have no intention of doing anything other than projecting. Nothing certainly isn't the answer.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe€
You keep IGNORING MY QUESTION, John:

Who Would Jesus Hate?

Still no argument for "prime mover".

Why?
John

United States

#70573 Apr 4, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I explained that years ago-- I'm so sorry you cannot work Google.
You keep IGNORING MY QUESTION, John:
Who Would Jesus Hate?
Still no argument for "prime mover".
Why?
Nope. You dodged, dipped, ducked, and dived. Which explains why you didn't put it in your post. For instance mine is a prime mover. See how easy that is for someone that is intellectually honest.

You don't believe in Jesus. What would Obama do Bob? Stay on point.

Plenty of arguments from multiple disciplines for a prime mover. Your forum. You got anything to challenge it. I don't debate nothing and I've exposed your evidentiary standard.

Your nothing is dismissed. You skipped my questions by the way.
John

United States

#70574 Apr 4, 2013
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.€

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70575 Apr 4, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope. You dodged, dipped, ducked, and dived.
Lie. You just didn't like my answers-- you ran away for weeks after, in fact.

LOL!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70576 Apr 4, 2013
John wrote:
Your nothing is dismissed. You skipped my questions by the way.
You keep IGNORING MY QUESTION, John:

Who Would Jesus Hate?

Still no argument for "prime mover".

Why?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70577 Apr 4, 2013
John wrote:
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.€
Who Would Jesus Hate, John?

You certainly demonstrate how much HATE you have for atheist.

You Jesus would be so proud of you, here...

I bet he'd hate all atheists too... right?

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#70578 Apr 4, 2013
John wrote:
The question was for you Bob. You don't agree with those responses. You might say you do, but you are a proven liar. You would force your views on others if left to your own devices.
I would suggest you look at many court rulings that don't use the logic empatheist just did in his post. We have judges legislating from the bench and using it to advance certain when causes.
I would also suggest you rethink government funding. These are no more than payouts to with the requisite strings attached. It's far from a religious issue either. Only scientists of certain thinking get funding. For instance global warming. Why not just let scientists be scientists and let the facts win the day.
This tool is used in education, gun control, health fraud,,,,
Yet another reason for a flat tax.
Thankfully Bob my taxes will pay for your sex change if you go to prison.
No answers from Bob because he knows his insanity is too over the top to be honest.
You may be right.... But I have a hard time believing that employers cannot have dress codes and teachers will be teaching that sex is cool.

But I am open to learning I'm wrong if the information is presented

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#70579 Apr 4, 2013
Or evidence rather... Because when something sounds unlikely to me... Evidence is what is needed to change my mind.

Now keep in mind that I think it is far more likely that teachers will be told to teach sex is awesome than something supernatural... But this does bring me back to your accountable position request...

If someone told me that an elephant was dancing on my roof... I would not accept their claim. And if they then asked " ok well then what IS on your roof?" I would say i don't know. If they then told me that I was exposed and that I just don't want to believe an elephant is dancing on my roof... I would wonder about their logic.

The problem is... I know when I walk outside that when I don't see the elephant... They will say he is invisible... Then when I ask how an elephant could get on my roof... They will say he can fly... And so on...And so on....

The logic they have is "I know he is there, so I can fill in the unknown with more incredible claims"

I don't have to know what is on my roof. It's probably some leaves... Maybe nothing... Rain water... I don't know.... But unless its a prank, I will say there is no elephant on my roof until I have a reason to believe so.
Imhotep

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#70580 Apr 4, 2013
Imhotep's scribes have created a exciting new survey.

GET READY TO RUMBLE
- in the right corner Sir Robert, in the left corner Sir John.

I suggest pistols at dawn! ;)

John will pray much harder.
Sir Robert will laugh that much more.

Which of the combatants do you think is the most truthful?

You need heart surgery ... which combatant do you want operating on you?

Which Combatant would you buy a used car from?
John

United States

#70581 Apr 4, 2013
@empatheist. If you are interested there is no shortage of info/evidence to my points. You'll have to do your own homework and decide for yourself. Maybe start with dress codes for men/women, transexuals, crossdressers, in the workplace. Restrooms used by opposite genders/genders in transition. Basically allowing a man to shower and change with female students. You can't make this stuff up.
John

United States

#70582 Apr 4, 2013
@ Imhotep. Does your nothing have a point.
I have proven Bob to be a liar. Now try to find a lie from my end since you want to stay far away from your magic science.

No evidence. No accountable position of belief. No need to keep posting what can be summed up in one sentence.
John

United States

#70583 Apr 4, 2013
I'm glad we have established your forum has no accountable position of belief or adequate way to weigh evidence.
If that's all you have, its duly noted. I'm not alluding that I think you have an agenda, I know you do. Four years of posting accusations and attacks against Christianity confirms that.
Now if you don't believe in God what's the fixation? You don't believe anything is evidence in this arena. I'm not going to fend off multiple and repeated questions in your forum. You folks are the ones running from any substantive debate. If that's because your nonposition doesn't allow it then stop the lunacy of trying to make your disbelief relevant. One sentence sums up atheism.
Your continued attempts to marginalize belief is entirely different than simply not believing. Most of the world believes something larger than us is responsible for the universe. There are many reasons and rationales why that belief persists. This conclusion is derived in different ways by different people. Some come to the decision based on logic and evidence. Many ex-atheists become believers in this manner. C.S. Lewis being one. To me these are some of the more interesting thinkers on the subject.
Francis Collins mapped our genetic code and sees design. The list is endless and isn't pigeonholed by only one discipline. I don't debate nothing. Do your own homework I'd you want but this narrative you want to convey that belief is absurd and has absolutely no evidence I reject. What I do know is no evidence is good for YOU. Fair enough. Going further and marginalizing belief as you sit on the fence is childish.
There is a reason you don't want to debate your nothing vs my something. You don't know where to begin. I do. I don't care if it satisfies you or not. This is your forum. I don't debate nothing and won't apologize for it.
I will accept your apologies for spending four years attacking reasoned faith you don't have in your own forum. Talk about bait and switch LOL.
....and empatheist no need to apologize for not submitting the second half. It is tiring and you just started. Try to remember that. You are dealing with just a few theists as opposed to the dozens of antitheists I am. Yet another reason I don't feel an obligation to address every nonsensical claim thrown into the mix. You want a debate. You know the terms.
I find it interesting that the evidentiary standard you use and I've exposed is the sole barometer you want to weigh my evidence in your forum is. It must be easy to attack, question, ad infinitum from the fence. Anyone can throw monkey shyte.
....so, another day of bigot marching begins. Little Kim Jongs making noise.€
John

United States

#70584 Apr 4, 2013
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence Bob, Septic, Tinkling,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 67,770 plus posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!
Thinking

Staines, UK

#70585 Apr 4, 2013
Bollocks.
John wrote:
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence Bob, Septic, Tinkling,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 67,770 plus posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#70586 Apr 4, 2013
John wrote:
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence Bob, Septic, Tinkling,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 67,770 plus posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!
so no proof of god then. why do you waste your time with this garbage?

just prove your f*cking god you lying sh*thead.
John

United States

#70587 Apr 4, 2013
You don't believe in God. You made a claim now prove it. I guess the onus on claims is selective with atheists.

My only claim is I believe there is more evidence/reasons pointing to a prime mover than any other accountable position of belief in this arena. This is your forum and you won't even name an accountable position of belief. Your inaction for five years tells me you want no part of my challenge.

I thought atheism was simply disbelief LOL. Next!
Thinking

Staines, UK

#70588 Apr 4, 2013
What you believe has no effect on facts.
John wrote:
You don't believe in God. You made a claim now prove it. I guess the onus on claims is selective with atheists.
My only claim is I believe there is more evidence/reasons pointing to a prime mover than any other accountable position of belief in this arena. This is your forum and you won't even name an accountable position of belief. Your inaction for five years tells me you want no part of my challenge.
I thought atheism was simply disbelief LOL. Next!
John

United States

#70589 Apr 4, 2013
Fact. Thanks for that LOL. Seethe in anger my little puppets.

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