Filipinos pack capital for Catholic p...

Filipinos pack capital for Catholic procession

There are 262 comments on the The State story from Jan 9, 2013, titled Filipinos pack capital for Catholic procession. In it, The State reports that:

Hundreds of thousands of mostly barefoot Roman Catholic devotees joined a raucous procession through the streets of the Philippine capital Wednesday in an annual ritual to demonstrate faith and seek miracle cures for illnesses and a good life.

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ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#181 Mar 27, 2013
The world's tri-media have confirmed the sickness embedded in the rotten characters of Roman Catholic priests, nuns, and Protestant ministers:

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/wo ...

JOHANNESBURG - A South African cardinal who helped elect Pope Francis this week has told the BBC pedophilia is an illness and not a crime.

Cardinal Wilfrid Fox Napier, the Catholic Archbishop of Durban, told BBC Radio 5 on Saturday that pedophilia was a "disorder" that needed to be treated.

"From my experience, pedophilia is actually an illness. It's not a criminal condition, it's an illness," he said.

Napier said he knew of at least two priests who became pedophiles after they were abused as children.

"Now don't tell me that those people are criminally responsible like somebody who chooses to do something like that. I don't think you can really take the position and say that person deserves to be punished. He was himself damaged."

The Catholic Church has had its image deeply tarnished by a widespread child sex abuse scandal.

Napier was one of the 115 cardinals in the Vatican conclave that elected Pope Francis on Wednesday, the BBC reported.

The first non-European pope in nearly 1,300 years, Francis has signaled a sharp change of style from his predecessor, Benedict, for the 1.2-billion-member Church, which is beset by scandals, intrigue and strife.

He said on Saturday the church should be poor and remember that its mission is to serve the poor.

All Roman Catholics, United Church of Christ in the Philippines, Philippine General Council of Assemblies of God, Philippines For Jesus Movement, Atheists, United Methodist Church Philippines, General Assembly of Presbyterian Church in the Philippines, Convention of Philippine Baptist Churches, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Bereans, "Ang Dating Tumbong Doon" K.Y.J. Eli Fernando Soriano, Baptists, Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches, Seventh-day Adventists, Evangelicals, Charismatics, Spurious Born-again, Presbyterians, Orthodox, Aglipayans, 700 Bar Club members, Episcopalians, Methodists, Branch Davidians, members of European and American cults, Skeptics, Agnostics, and those outside of the true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) must improve their low I.Q.s!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#182 Mar 27, 2013
"Br. Felix Manalo is God's Holy and Last Angel. His virtue is the grace of God incarnate. The many blessings of God were given him so that he may shine a light upon us all. Br. Manalo is one in spirit with God."

Reference:(June-July Pasugo 1951)

That sounds an awful lot like he is God. Only fools would believe that a man who was bitch slapped by the Philippine Court of Appeals is virtuous.

All praise the rapist and adulterer. Worship at his shrine and before his graven images in your home. ROTFLMAO!

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#183 Mar 27, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Cretin Atheist,
Not credible???
"Church of sinners and of fools."
Reference:(Hastings, Adrian. In Filial Disobedience, p. 126.)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Thanks for proving my point. Adrian Hastings was a Roman Catholic priest who was excommunicated for not being able to obey his vows. I truly enjoy seeing you agree with me.

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#184 Mar 27, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Cretin Atheist,
Where did the Orthodox and Protestants came from??? From the Roman Catholic Church!!! Was there a decline or not???
Your ability to apply logic to debate is absurd.

The Iglesia ni Culto is, by definition, a Protestant group. Did you not state that your cult is growing?
"In the United States for example, the Willow Creek Community Church---one of America's famous megachurches---"has suffered membership stagnation and a lack of enthusiasm among the faithful".(Ibid. p.73.)
Yawn. I realize that you will never understand those of us with money and education but we have better things to do than waste a day in a church.

South Barrington, where Willow creek is located, is a very wealthy community. Unlike you, the people who live there work incredibly hard during the week. They want to enjoy their weekends.

For what it's worth, that church still has more members than almost every one of your cult's congregations.
"Even the Catholic Church has barely maintained its share of the population, mostly because immigrant Catholics offset the massive loss of U.S.-born members".(Ibid. p.20)
Reference:(Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of New Spiritual Awakening, pp. 82, 73, 20.)
Oh no. Could you not find a quote from a Catholic publication?

I find it fascinating, even as an atheist, that the world covered the recent election of the pope. The world watched. Even Al Jazeera covered the election! It would seem that you need to look beyond the Pasugo for teh truth again.

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#185 Mar 27, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
The world's tri-media have confirmed the sickness embedded in the rotten characters of Roman Catholic priests, nuns, and Protestant ministers:

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/wo ...

The first non-European pope in nearly 1,300 years, Francis has signaled a sharp change of style from his predecessor, Benedict, for the 1.2-billion-member Church, which is beset by scandals, intrigue and strife.
He said on Saturday the church should be poor and remember that its mission is to serve the poor.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Yes, it is truly sick and rotten of that faith group to want to serve the world's poor.

The Iglesia ni Culto wishes only to serve the Manalo clan. They need another luxury home and vehicle.

Thanks for reminding us how the world's 'tri-media'(WTF?) covered his words.
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#186 Apr 1, 2013
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
"Br. Felix Manalo is God's Holy and Last Angel.
Cretin Atheist,

Brother Felix Y. Manalo is God's last angel or messenger in these last days!!! He is the last messenger of God because the biblical dispensation of time is divided into three: patriarchal, prophetic, and the Christian era!!!

From the first dispensation to the last, the Almighty God is always with His chosen messengers:

"Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD---with the first of them and with the last---I am he." (Isaiah 41:4, New International Version)

God says He is "with the first of them and with the last." The Iglesia Ni Cristo is not among the earlier generations of God's chosen people but the last. The earlier generations chosen and called by God as His own people were Abraham, Isaac after Abraham's death, then Jacob and the nation of Israel (Ps. 105:9-10). What was the covenant that God made with Abraham and his seed including all his descendants after them? This is the everlasting covenant that He would be their God:

"And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee." (Gen. 17:7, King James Version)

The Almighty God, in an everlasing covenant, would be the God of Abraham and of his seed. The seed of Abraham to whom the promise was made is Jesus Christ as stated in Galatians 3:16:

"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He does not say,'And to seeds', as of many, but as of one,'And to your Seed', who is Christ." (New King James Version)

Aside from Jesus Christ, those who belong to Him are considered Abraham's seed, too. Apostle Paul explicitly declared:

"And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Gal. 3:29, Ibid.)

To be counted as Abraham's seed, one must belong to Christ. This guarantees that he will be among the heirs of God's promises.
People belong to Christ not by merely professing belief in Him as their pesonal Savior. Many religious groups believe in Christ and claim that they belong to Him. But to make a claim is one thing and to prove it is another. Hence we ask: Who are of Christ who are therefore considered as Abraham's seed? The Lord Jesus Himself said:

" ... I will build My church" (Mt. 16:18, Ibid.). Apostle Paul specified that this Church, which Christ built and belongs to Him, is the Church of Christ that the Lord purchased with His blood:

"Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with his blood." [Acts 20:28, Lamsa Translation]

Improve your low I.Q. for of all atheists, you have the lowest!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#187 Apr 1, 2013
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
His virtue is the grace of God incarnate.
Cretin Atheist,

Stop twisting the pristine biblical teachings of the Iglesia ni Cristo!!! We have no teaching of an incarnating God!!! God is spirit in nature and not man:

"God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." (Jn. 4:24, NKJV)

"I will not execute the fierceness of My anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim. For I am God, and not man, The Holy One in your midst; and I will not come with terror." (Hos. 11:9, NKJV)

God claimed that he is not man. And so, how could God become man as what Catholics and Protestants do believe? God did not change in form or state of being. He remains unchanged from eternity to eternity. God is God and not man in the same way that man is man and not God:

"Son of man, say to the prince of Tyre,'Thus says the Lord God: "Because your heart is lifted up, and you say,'I am a god, I sit in the seat of gods, in the midst of the seas', Yet you are a man, and not a god, though you set your heart as the heart of a god." (Ezek. 28:2, NKJV)

Thus, the belief that God became man as Christ, and later returned to being God (The Book of Catholic Quotations, p. 466) is a man-made teaching bereft of biblical proof. The apostles never taught such kind of kind of doctrine and thus, anyone who teaches this should be accursed (Gal. 1:6-8, Ibid.).

All Roman Catholics, United Church of Christ in the Philippines, Philippine General Council of Assemblies of God, Philippines For Jesus Movement, Atheists, United Methodist Church Philippines, General Assembly of Presbyterian Church in the Philippines, Convention of Philippine Baptist Churches, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Bereans, "Ang Dating Tumbong Doon" K.Y.J. Eli Fernando Soriano, Baptists, Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches, Seventh-day Adventists, Evangelicals, Charismatics, Spurious Born-again, Presbyterians, Orthodox, Aglipayans, 700 Bar Club members, Episcopalians, Methodists, Branch Davidians, members of European and American cults, Skeptics, Agnostics, and those outside of the true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) must improve thir low I.Q.s!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#188 Apr 1, 2013
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for proving my point. Adrian Hastings was a Roman Catholic priest who was excommunicated for not being able to obey his vows. I truly enjoy seeing you agree with me.
Cretin Atheist,

Never in my lifetime have I agreed with you!!! But I am always making fun of you because of your low I.Q.!!! Hen >>>> Check!!!

Adrian Hastings was never excommunicated but plainly distanced himself from the Roman Catholic Church!!! You could not keep someone in a false religion if he has already discovered the following abominable images of the Roman Catholic Church:

"Church of sinners and of fools."

Reference:(Hastings, Adrian. In Filial Disobedience, p. 126.)

"the power of the Church (Catholic) has been used in history to do the devil's work."
Reference:(Hastings, Adrian. In Filial Disobedience, p. 127.)

All Roman Catholics, United Church of Christ in the Philippines, Philippine General Council of Assemblies of God, Philippines For Jesus Movement, Atheists, United Methodist Church Philippines, General Assembly of Presbyterian Church in the Philippines, Convention of Philippine Baptist Churches, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Bereans, "Ang Dating Tumbong Doon" K.Y.J. Eli Fernando Soriano, Baptists, Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches, Seventh-day Adventists, Evangelicals, Charismatics, Spurious Born-again, Presbyterians, Orthodox, Aglipayans, 700 Bar Club members, Episcopalians, Methodists, Branch Davidians, members of European and American cults, Skeptics, Agnostics, and those outside of the true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) must improve their low I.Q.s!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Anonymous

Makati, Philippines

#189 Apr 1, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Cretin Atheist,
Stop twisting the pristine biblical teachings of the Iglesia ni Cristo!!! We have no teaching of an incarnating God!!! God is spirit in nature and not man:
"Son of man, say to the prince of Tyre,'Thus says the Lord God: "Because your heart is lifted up, and you say,'I am a god, I sit in the seat of gods, in the midst of the seas', Yet you are a man, and not a god, though you set your heart as the heart of a god." (Ezek. 28:2, NKJV)
(Iglesia ni Cristo) must improve thir low I.Q.s!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
HELLO ELIAS... BINGO who is the Prince of TYRE?
You quoted a verse about Satan's Rebellion...
SATAN is Lucifer an ANGEL just LIKE your ANGEL Founder Felix!
Indeed you are a member of a False religion.
(Iglesia ni Cristo) must improve thir low I.Q.s!!!

Wrong spelling again and again you make me LAUGH.
Elias Well-conditioned by their Cult not well-verse in the Bible.
Improve your Spelling Mr. Best in Spelling Bee.
nyg

Toronto, Canada

#190 Apr 1, 2013
INC growth - 7 to 10 million in 98 years

Newsflash! The Catholic Church has growth from 437 million in 1950 to 1.16 billion right now. Growth of 723 million in 63 years.

Your 'church' is irrelevant!

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#191 Apr 1, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Cretin Atheist,
Brother Felix Y. Manalo is God's last angel or messenger in these last days!!! He is the last messenger of God because the biblical dispensation of time is divided into three: patriarchal, prophetic, and the Christian era!!!
Bwahahahahahahaha! How can he save anyone when his corpse is rotting in the ground? He exalted himself with a phony story AFTER he was challenged for control of your cult.

Fraud.

By the way, how long do 'these last days' go on for? ROTFLMAO!

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#192 Apr 1, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Cretin Atheist,
Never in my lifetime have I agreed with you!!! But I am always making fun of you because of your low I.Q.!!! Hen >>>> Check!!!
Adrian Hastings was never excommunicated but plainly distanced himself from the Roman Catholic Church!!! You could not keep someone in a false religion if he has already discovered the following abominable images of the Roman Catholic Church:
"Church of sinners and of fools."
Reference:(Hastings, Adrian. In Filial Disobedience, p. 126.)
"the power of the Church (Catholic) has been used in history to do the devil's work."
Reference:(Hastings, Adrian. In Filial Disobedience, p. 127.)
All Roman Catholics, United Church of Christ in the Philippines, Philippine General Council of Assemblies of God, Philippines For Jesus Movement, Atheists, United Methodist Church Philippines, General Assembly of Presbyterian Church in the Philippines, Convention of Philippine Baptist Churches, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Bereans, "Ang Dating Tumbong Doon" K.Y.J. Eli Fernando Soriano, Baptists, Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches, Seventh-day Adventists, Evangelicals, Charismatics, Spurious Born-again, Presbyterians, Orthodox, Aglipayans, 700 Bar Club members, Episcopalians, Methodists, Branch Davidians, members of European and American cults, Skeptics, Agnostics, and those outside of the true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) must improve their low I.Q.s!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
All of those words and you merely agreed with me again. You rely on excommunicated former priests to support the lies of your cult. Meanwhile, you ignore those who escaped the scam called the Iglesia ni Cristo and share their experience with the world.

Fraud.
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#194 Apr 4, 2013
nyg wrote:
INC growth - 7 to 10 million in 98 years
Newsflash! The Catholic Church has growth from 437 million in 1950 to 1.16 billion right now. Growth of 723 million in 63 years.
Your 'church' is irrelevant!
Ozzy,

Catholic increase in members is due to uncontrolled births and not because of conversions!!! Also, only 3 percent of the Roman Catholic members go to worship services and therefore they are only Catholics in name and not in acts!!! Hre's the proof:

Reference:(Francis J. Reynolds, et. al., The Story of the Great War: History of the European War From Official Sources, vol. 2, p.291).
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"The first decade of the 21st century is characterized by a "Great Religious Recession". Making matters worse, the economic recession in 2007 "did not drive people to religion; instead, it drove religion farther into irrelevance." (p. 82)

"In the United States for example, the Willow Creek Community Church---one of America's famous megachurches---"has suffered membership stagnation and a lack of enthusiasm among the faithful".(Ibid. p.73.)

"Even the Catholic Church has barely maintained its share of the population, mostly because immigrant Catholics offset the massive loss of U.S.-born members".(Ibid. p.20)
Reference:(Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of New Spiritual Awakening, pp. 82, 73, 20.)

An Italian weekly magazine, Sette, which boasts of a circulation reaching 483,000, vivvidly illustrated this rapid decline in Catholic members' enthusiasm in their religion. In an article written by Cesare Fiume in its April 5, 2012 issue, the publication made this observation:

"The number of Catholic marriages and that of priests and nuns are lessened (beaten). To bring religion to the members they must go to the malls ...Here is the 'spiritual X-ray' of Italy. The church was reopened Sunday for Palm Sunday, after months of closure. It was closed from Christmas and remained so until the day before yesterday--unless for some funeral host--due to lack of offerings. The alms were no longer enough to pay the bills for electricity and heating, so the pastor has barred the door ..."

The author likened the Catholic Church to a "candle that is consumed at the base," lamenting that the churches (are) empty, no more odor of frankincense ..." The magnitude of this problem is underscored by the fact that Italy is the seat of Catholicism---yet the "spiritual recession" among her adherents there is strikingly evident. This general atrophy in people's zeal for God is precisely the fulfillment of Christ's prophecy that in these last days, the love of many will grow cold.

Reference: Cesare Fiume. Sette. April 5, 2012 issue

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#195 Apr 4, 2013
nyg wrote:
INC growth - 7 to 10 million in 98 years
Newsflash! The Catholic Church has growth from 437 million in 1950 to 1.16 billion right now. Growth of 723 million in 63 years.
Your 'church' is irrelevant!
Nyg,

The Iglesia ni Cristo already outnumbered long ago the combined communities of both Protestants and Muslims!!!

Here's what Dr. Reed of the University of California, in the US, in his work published in 1990 said:

" ... the INC has been transformed into the most dynamic and powerful indigenous belief system in the Philippines. Growing at a phenomenal rate ... this upstart community of faith may have recently surpassed Islam as the nations's second largest religion.... Indeed the INC ... may be the most successful form of 'Indigenous Christianity emanating from the Third World in this century."

Reference:[ Reed, Robert R., ed. Patterns of Migration in Southeast Asia, Berkeley, CA: Centers for South and Southeast Asia Studies, 1990, pp. 154-155]

In 2001, Dr. Robert Reed updated on the Iglesia Ni Cristo, describing its spread and progress worldwide as "from an obscure Philippine faith to a global belief system." Its strides, even in the US, "has bee nothing less than spectacular".

Reference:(Jounal of the Humanities and School Sciences of Southeast Asia and Ocenia, 2001.)

Dr. Arthur Leonard Tuggy, a baptist preacher had this to say:

"Independent churches have sprung into vigorous life in many, if not all, countries in the Third World. One of the largest, wealthiest, and most powerful of these is the rapidly growing Iglesia Ni Cristo in the Philippines ... And it has grown by leaps and bounds to a place where it now rivals in size the entire Protestant community in the Philippines."

Reference:(Iglesia Ni Cristo: A Study in Independent Church Dynamics, Quezon City, Philippines: Conservative Baptist Publishing, Inc. 1976, p.vii)

The same Baptist author further stressed in his book that:
"On the world-wide scene its significance is great, primarily because of its size and wealth. The Iglesia Ni Cristo is the largest [non-mission related] independent church in Asia."

Reference:(Iglesia Ni Cristo: A Study in Independent Church Dynamics, Quezon City, Philippines: Conservative Baptist Publishing, Inc. 1976, p.244)

What is funny here is the fact that the one who is authenticating the spectacular growth of the true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) is a member of the so-called "Born-again" cult!!!

Another very funny thing here is the fact that the Protestants were ahead in proselytizing their doctrines if compared to the Iglesia ni Cristo!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Improve your low I.Q.!!!
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#196 Apr 4, 2013
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
<quoted text>
Bwahahahahahahaha! How can he save anyone when his corpse is rotting in the ground? He exalted himself with a phony story AFTER he was challenged for control of your cult.
Fraud.
By the way, how long do 'these last days' go on for? ROTFLMAO!
Cretin Atheist,

Christ is the savior of the Church of Christ while Brother Felix Y. Manalo and his co-ministers are tasked by God and Christ to proselytize the "other sheep" in these last days because the Iglesia ni Cristo is the beneficiary of the redeeming value of Christ's blood:


"Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with his blood." [Acts 20:28, Lamsa Translation]

The body is the Church of Christ.(Rom. 16:16) How does Christ manifest His love and compassion for the Church, which should ultimately end the clamor of Protestants and many other professing Christians who proclaim that "faith-alone belief" saves? We quote from Ephesians 5:25:

"In whom we have redemption through the blood, even the forgiveness of sins:" (Col. 1:14, KJV)

The members of the Church of Christ obtained the forgiveness of their sins through the shedding of Christ's own precious blood. Therefore come Judgment Day what can members of the Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ) look fiorward to? What will Christ do to them?

"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body." (Eph. 5:23, Ibid.)

If this exclusivism is detested by other preachers and professing Christians, then they detest our Lord Jesus Christ and God. It is an act of God, His will, that man be gathered in Christ, and to fulfill this will of God, Christ laid down His law and established His Church, the Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ). Anyone then who wants salvation should enter it.

As the BIble has proven it, the Church of Christ has the exclusive right to serve God and to attain salvation. Christ will save only His Church -- the Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ).

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#197 Apr 4, 2013
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
"Br. Felix Manalo is God's Holy and Last Angel. His virtue is the grace of God incarnate. The many blessings of God were given him so that he may shine a light upon us all. Br. Manalo is one in spirit with God."
Reference:(June-July Pasugo 1951)
That sounds an awful lot like he is God. Only fools would believe that a man who was bitch slapped by the Philippine Court of Appeals is virtuous.
All praise the rapist and adulterer. Worship at his shrine and before his graven images in your home. ROTFLMAO!
Cretin Atheist,

A member of the Iglesia ni Cristo can easily spot a twisted reference!!! There is no teaching in the Iglesia ni Cristo about God incarnating!!! For God is not man nor man God!!!

It is the Roman Catholic Church which possess the doctrine that God incarnated and the matter was swallowed whole by the Protestants!!! Two of the earliest proponents of the so-called Incarnation of God were Tertullian (c. 160-230) and Origen (c. 185-254), considered as Church Fathers by the Catholic Church. Their ideas were highly considered when the doctrine of the hypostatic union was formulated into a creed in Chalcedon in 451.

Tertullian, in his work, On the Flesh of Christ, says, "Thus the nature of the two substances displayed Him as man and God ... this property of the two states--the divine and the human--is distinctly asserted with equal truth of both natures alike ... The power of the Spirit proved Him to be God, His sufferings attested the flesh of man" (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 3, p. 525).

Origen, in his De Principiis writes, "Secondly, That Jesus Christ Himself, who came (into the world), was born of the Father before all creatures; that, after He had been the servant of the Father in the creation of all thinsg--'For by Him were all things made'--He in the last times, divesting Himself (of His glory), became a man, and was incarnate although God, and while made a man remained the God which he was; that he assumed a body like to our own, differing in this respect only, that it was born of a virgin and of the Holy Spirit" (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 4, p.240)

Both Tertullian and Origen claimed that Christ had dual nature--He is both man and God. This position had made significant contribution to the formulation of the doctrine of the Trinity.

It can be recalled that it was the Council of Nicea that declared that "Jesus Christ is "truly God and truly man, true God from true God, begotten not made." Although ubbiblical and incomprehensible, the belief that a true God would come from another God was favored by the more than 250 bishops, was formulated into a creed, and is now believed to be divinely inspired!

In the absence of valid biblical basis, such a confounding and absurd doctrine had to rely on faulty inferences. Biblical verses were stretched in the attempt to prove that Jesus is both God and man. In spite of hundreds of years trying to refine it, the incongruity and incoherence still persist, with no lucid and biblical pronouncements to back up the claim.

All Roman Catholics, United Church of Christ in the Philippines, Philippine General Council of Assemblies of God, Philippines For Jesus Movement, Atheists, United Methodist Church Philippines, General Assembly of Presbyterian Church in the Philippines, Convention of Philippine Baptist Churches, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Bereans, "Ang Dating Tumbong Doon" K.Y.J. Eli Fernando Soriano, Baptists, Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches, Seventh-day Adventists, Evangelicals, Charismatics, Spurious Born-again, Presbyterians, Orthodox, Aglipayans, 700 Bar Club members, Episcopalians, Methodists, Branch Davidians, members of European and American cults, Skeptics, Agnostics, and those outside of the true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) must improve their low I.Q.s!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#198 Apr 4, 2013
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
<quoted text>
Bwahahahahahahaha! How can he save anyone when his corpse is rotting in the ground? He exalted himself with a phony story AFTER he was challenged for control of your cult.
Fraud.
By the way, how long do 'these last days' go on for? ROTFLMAO!
Cretin Atheist,

How long would "these last days" last??? No one knows!!! Only God knows!!! Not Christ nor the angels!!! But the Roman Catholic Church predicted its ending on January 1, 1000 A.D.!!! Pope Sylvester II predicted Judgment Day:

Web results. Definition of Sylvester II predicted Judgment Day by TheFreeDictionary.List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events - Wikipedia, the free ...
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1000 Jan 1, Pope Sylvester II, The Millennium Apocalypse at the end of the ....
1689, Pierre Jurieu, This prophet predicted that Judgement Day would occur this ...

There are lots of American cults which predicted Judgment Day or the end of these last days!!! Among these is the Jehovah's Witnesses!!!

Jehovah Witnesses lost one million members within 1975-1985--

"Between 1975 and 1985, about one million members left the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society known commonly as the Jehovah Witnesses,...

"Why is the growth of the religion in the U.S. slowing? Many think it has a lot to do with an explosion of anti-Jehovah's Witnesses literature being published worldwide by dozens of organizations whose members are mostly former Witnesses.

" The defections were also fueled by the failure of the Watchtower's prediction that the world would end in 1975.(The Jehovah Witnesses also predicted that the world would end in 1914, 1918, 1925,, and 1932.)"

Reference:(Jehovah's Witnesses Growth slows," Moody, January 1987, p. 37)

Improve your low I.Q. and pedigrees for of all atheists, you have the lowest!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Ozzy

Catskill, NY

#199 Apr 4, 2013
Isnt every day one day closer to the last day? bwahahaha...such INC garbage and vomit!

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#200 Apr 4, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Cretin Atheist,
Christ is the savior of the Church of Christ while Brother Felix Y. Manalo and his co-ministers are tasked by God and Christ to proselytize the "other sheep" in these last days because the Iglesia ni Cristo is the beneficiary of the redeeming value of Christ's blood:
"Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with his blood." [Acts 20:28, Lamsa Translation]
All of those words and you still cannot answer the question - how long are 'these last days'? So far, the INC has fooled stooges into believing that it is longer than their lifetimes. LOL!

The Lamsa verse disagrees with every other translation, by the way.
"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body." (Eph. 5:23, Ibid.)
Is that why the INC treats women like second class citizens?

Conveniently, you failed to read the rest of the chapter.

Here it is:

Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not become partners with them; for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret. But when anything is exposed by the light, it becomes visible, for anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore it says,“Awake, O sleeper and arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”

Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise but as wise, making the best use of the time, because the days are evil. Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit, addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.

Hmmmm?

It seems you will be rotting in your grave soon. You have ignored most of what the verse required. Felix ignored the entire second paragraph of that chapter!
As the BIble has proven it, the Church of Christ has the exclusive right to serve God and to attain salvation. Christ will save only His Church -- the Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ).
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Really? Your founder broke every rule asked of him. Stooge.

The Bible also clearly stated that Jesus was Lord and God. You pretend that it is a mistake. ROTFLMAO!

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#201 Apr 4, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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Cretin Atheist,
How long would "these last days" last??? No one knows!!!
Bwahahahahahahahahaha! How many times have you written that the Roman Catholic Church believes in a Trinity that they cannot explain but then you just did the same thing now? Too funny!

The Iglesia ni Culto threatens their fools into compliance with an empty promise.
There are lots of American cults which predicted Judgment Day or the end of these last days!!! Among these is the Jehovah's Witnesses!!!
That means the INC has a lot in common with them.

Did you know the Jehovah's Witnesses, as they have been known since 1931, reports worldwide membership of over 7.78 million adherents involved in evangelism, convention attendance of over 12 million and annual Memorial attendance of over 19 million? Your cult had a decade plus jump on them and they are still larger. Hmmmm?
Jehovah Witnesses lost one million members within 1975-1985--
"Between 1975 and 1985, about one million members left the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society known commonly as the Jehovah Witnesses,...
"Why is the growth of the religion in the U.S. slowing? Many think it has a lot to do with an explosion of anti-Jehovah's Witnesses literature being published worldwide by dozens of organizations whose members are mostly former Witnesses.
" The defections were also fueled by the failure of the Watchtower's prediction that the world would end in 1975.(The Jehovah Witnesses also predicted that the world would end in 1914, 1918, 1925,, and 1932.)"
Reference:(Jehovah's Witnesses Growth slows," Moody, January 1987, p. 37)
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Your cult has lost even more. Until you can provide an accurate accounting, you cannot disagree. As your cult refuses to divulge how poorly they are doing, you will remain my bitch.

Nice try.

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