Buffalo Bishop Accused of Harassment

Full story: WGRZ Buffalo

The alleged incident happened Saturday night at a hotel in Dunkirk. The co-founder of an organization to prevent area church closings says Bishop Edward Kmiec began harassing him over his efforts.
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Rae

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Aug 15, 2007
 
Hmm, this thing was all a set up. Mr. Parks diliberately seeked out the Bishop, had his picture taken with the Bishop, then announced to the world that he has been the person that has been fighting the Bishop about the closings of the Church in Dunkirk. Well, I'd have been upset too if some jerk ambushed me. That's human instinct. Mr. Parks then went to Dunkirk Police station and swore out a complaint about the Bishop getting upset. Well, Mr. Parks, if you didn't seek out the Bishop in the first place, you wouldn't have been allegedly poked in the chest by the old Bishop. Secondly, you took it upon yourself to report the incident. thirdly, you contacted the press to bring this story to light and fourth WHO THE H*ll CARES. Only the Catholic bashers. So what did you accomplish?
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#56
Aug 15, 2007
 
Rae wrote:
Hmm, this thing was all a set up. Mr. Parks diliberately seeked out the Bishop, had his picture taken with the Bishop, then announced to the world that he has been the person that has been fighting the Bishop about the closings of the Church in Dunkirk. Well, I'd have been upset too if some jerk ambushed me. That's human instinct. Mr. Parks then went to Dunkirk Police station and swore out a complaint about the Bishop getting upset. Well, Mr. Parks, if you didn't seek out the Bishop in the first place, you wouldn't have been allegedly poked in the chest by the old Bishop. Secondly, you took it upon yourself to report the incident. thirdly, you contacted the press to bring this story to light and fourth WHO THE H*ll CARES. Only the Catholic bashers. So what did you accomplish?
i think you might be right
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#57
Aug 15, 2007
 
Rae wrote:
Hmm, this thing was all a set up. Mr. Parks diliberately seeked out the Bishop, had his picture taken with the Bishop, then announced to the world that he has been the person that has been fighting the Bishop about the closings of the Church in Dunkirk. Well, I'd have been upset too if some jerk ambushed me. That's human instinct. Mr. Parks then went to Dunkirk Police station and swore out a complaint about the Bishop getting upset. Well, Mr. Parks, if you didn't seek out the Bishop in the first place, you wouldn't have been allegedly poked in the chest by the old Bishop. Secondly, you took it upon yourself to report the incident. thirdly, you contacted the press to bring this story to light and fourth WHO THE H*ll CARES. Only the Catholic bashers. So what did you accomplish?
I agree.
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Aug 16, 2007
 
I think you are both wrong. What the man brought to light was the true personality of the bishop who has a propensity for the drink and has a background, which will be brought to light, of getting rather "pushy" when confronted. This isn't the first time. It has happened before with his priests, some of whom are going to be coming forward to tell that truth. What happened, I believe, was Mr. PArks was so shocked AT what happened that he called the media and the police. Anyone and everyone has right to seek out the bishop, speak to him, ask tough questions, require accountability and tell him exactly what you think. What is expected is that the bishop will repond with decency, not anger. Just watch and see... this is a pattern for Kmiec, not an isolated incident.
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Aug 16, 2007
 
Sister Mary wrote:
I think you are both wrong. What the man brought to light was the true personality of the bishop who has a propensity for the drink and has a background, which will be brought to light, of getting rather "pushy" when confronted. This isn't the first time. It has happened before with his priests, some of whom are going to be coming forward to tell that truth. What happened, I believe, was Mr. PArks was so shocked AT what happened that he called the media and the police. Anyone and everyone has right to seek out the bishop, speak to him, ask tough questions, require accountability and tell him exactly what you think. What is expected is that the bishop will repond with decency, not anger. Just watch and see... this is a pattern for Kmiec, not an isolated incident.
I respectfully disagree...
Mr. Parks has an agenda. If you have not seen his website, check it out. It appears that he is interested in saving the buildings, but cares not for the congregations involved. He talks about keeping the parish families together, but in the next breath, he says they should leave the Catholic Church and explore other faiths. The site
recommends "reverse pledges". He advocates closing the Seminary.
I truly don't understand his logic. His plan to save his Parish is to get people to leave the Church, not to donate, and close the Center that educates our clergy. If he truly loved his Church, wouldn't he work to support attendance at Mass, evangelism, and vocations?

Does he believe in "one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church"? If not, I would hope that he finds a faith community that is in line with his belief system, and go in peace. In the meanwhile, I pray that he stops working for the ruination of the Church.
Sister Mary

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Aug 16, 2007
 
The seminary ought be closed if egos were not involved. It costs the dciocese FAR more to maintain it and keep it open than it would to send the few seminarians to other seminaries that far outweigh ours in academia and vision. Besides the fiscal reasons, sending the few seminarians we have to other seminaries would give them a larger view of the church and cause them see they are part of a bigger picture than the insular church of Western New York. Mr. Parks and others are right in saying it ought close. If they use the same standrads as they apply to closing parishes, it would stand the seminary ought be closed. Further, the diocese has the huge building downtown that could easily house lay and deacon training with ample space.

I have seen the website in question. I have also seen the diocese lie abouth things and matters that I, as an insider, know they are lying about to the media and the people.

Jerry Sullivan and David LiPuma are running the show, not the bishop. Neither, has any credentials to be running a diocese. Regina Murphy has wanted to close parishes since Bishop Head's days. She is a one-woman office at her own request and still she bemoans the fact she "is only one woman" and cannot respond to everyone. Knowing the diocese was embarking on a plan of this magnitude, Regina should have forseen a huge amount of communicatin necessary to allow people to feel they are at least informed when they have a question, as opposed to being brushed off.

The Priest Council is a rubber stanp for every recommendation. They have, to date, not rubber stamped a recommendation. So, the bishop is not really a part of the entire process. For heavens sake, he hasn't even had the decency to respond to Mr. Parks or countless media requests for him to say something, rather is is traveling outside the diocese, yesterday in Louisville, KY!

I think what I perceive Mr. Parks doing is deemanding accountability from the hierarchy. And that is perfectly congruent with Jesus' message. "To him whom much has been given much shall be required."

Unfortunately, the Catholics of Western New York are of the mind that the bishop can do no wrong and what he says is somehow God speaking. I disagree with that completely. The Church disagrees with that completely! The Church IS the People of God and we have every right to demand accountability from our bishops and priests.

Demanding accountability and answers is not harassment! Kevin Keenan can spin it so it appears it is harassment, but remember he has been known to spin all manner of things including how little the diocese paid out in sex abuse settlements. His number is fiction. Fr, Bernard (Corky) Mach alone cost the diocese 2 million and that was in 1995.

So, if you want to look at the recoord, be clear in looking at both sides. The church lies. Mr. Parks asks hard questions and demands answers. The church gets angry and says, "who the heck does this man think he is?!" and then the church seeks to discredit the one who asks the tough questions. It is an act replayed over and over in so many dioceses, most recently Los Angeles!

And while all this goes on, you have men like Bishop grosz who is spending millions and putting in new air conditioning a huge church that sits amidst the worse poverty in the city.

There is little accountability in this diocese. Precious little, if any. And then officials get mad when they are confronted. Even religious and clergy are afraid to speak up for fear of retribution.

As for the ruination of the church: It needs neither Parks nor anyone outside. It seems Frs. Sullivan LiPuma and Bps. Grosz and Kmiec are doing a fine job with the spinmaster Kevin Keenan writing the various chapters... all this and the bishop is silent.

Perhaps he is washing his hands and saying "sit scripsi scripsit."
SMS

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#64
Aug 16, 2007
 
Sister Mary,
Again, I must disagree...
You cannot say that merging parishes is detrimental to the Church, but closing Seminaries is good. Christ the King is not only used as a training site for Priests, but is also a training and education site for the Diocese. As the shortage of Priests increases, the need for Christ the King's Campus will increase as a Center to train the laity.
You have stated that the Church in Western New York is insular in it's thinking, and in the same breath, you criticize the Bishop of Buffalo for traveling outside the Diocese.
The website tells much about Mr. Park's position. His effort is directed to keep the buildings open, period. He goes on to advocate that people leave the Church. He advocates not supporting the Churches financially. How does this help? The Buffalo news recently had a photograph of St. James Parish in Buffalo. I used to sing in their Choir. In the photo of a weekend Mass, there were about 10 people in attendance. Either People need to return to the Church (the best option), or that Parish should merge with other Parishes to form a more vibrant faith community. I love old Church architecture (being a musician), but I love the Catholic Faith more. Being Catholic is more that pretty buildings, isn't it?
The website directs people to look at Lutheranism, Anglicanism, Methodism, Protestantism, and Baptist Churches. He advocates married Priests. By doing this, is he not in schism? Your screen name is Sister Mary. It implies that you are in a religious order, and have taken vows. As an "insider", shouldn't your focus be toward saving souls and bringing them to the Church rather that away?
Finally, I think that reasoned debate and dialog are valuable, but personal attacks and gossip really have no place in this discussion.
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#65
Aug 16, 2007
 
CKS as well as some of the parishes SHOULD close. What is detrimental is the flawed process and the standards that change depending on who is the pastor of a church or institution.

If laity education is in high demand as it ought well be, the Catholic Center downtown is quite sufficient and far more central to the diocese.

Bishop is not out of town gaining wisdom for his office, I assure you. He is getting ready to retire for heavens 'sake!

Unfortunately, the onlything that gets the attention of our bishop and most bishops is the dollar. If we don;t give as much they listen. Without our giving he cannot live in his mansion, I assure you. It is an attention getter.

Saving souls is imperative! We do not do that, though, by cover-ups, lies and living like kings (Oakland Place). we do it by humble service where every member of the Body of Christ is valued because we have been redeemed by God through Christ.

I have lived through quite a few administrations. This, dear friend, by far is the most chaotic and by far, the least honest.
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Aug 16, 2007
 
And by the way, dear soul, there were no personal attacks, nor gossip.
SMS

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Aug 16, 2007
 
Sister Mary wrote:
And by the way, dear soul, there were no personal attacks, nor gossip.
Bishop Kmiec, Rev. Jerry Sullivan, Rev. David LiPuma, Sr. Regina Murphy, Kevin Keenan, and the Priests Council might disagree.

Taking a link from Mr. Park's website...
Is this your vision of the Roman Catholic Church of the Future? www.rentapriest.com
Sister Mary

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Aug 16, 2007
 
Those were not personal attacks, but EXAMPLES of the problems with the diocese's administration. Those names illustrate very well the crux of the problems at hand.

As for Rent-A-Priest, can it be that bad? Think about it, you have been renting nuns for years!
You rent our services where and when needed and when we are not, we must look for other employ.
SMS

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Aug 16, 2007
 
"Jerry Sullivan and David LiPuma are running the show, not the bishop. Neither, has any credentials to be running a diocese".

I am pressed for time, but it does seem personal.
You say Fr. Sullivan does not have the credentials. Here is a bio from the website of the Diocese of Buffalo...
Rev. W. Jerome Sullivan, JCD, is the Pastor of Saint Mary of the Lake Parish in Hamburg NY and the Coordinator of the Priests' Personnel Board. After ordination to the priesthood on December 20, 1961, Monsignor Sullivan obtained a doctorate in Canon Law from the Lateran University in Rome in 1966 after which he served as Vice Chancellor. He has served as Parochial Vicar at Saint John Fisher Parish, South Dayton NY, Saint Paul Parish, Kenmore NY, Our Lady of Perpetual Help, Buffalo NY. He was the Administrator of Assumption and Queen of All Saints Parishes in Lackawanna NY, and Pastor of Saint Mary of Sorrows Parish, Buffalo NY. He also has served as Chairman of the Council of Priests along with several terms as a member of the Priests' Personnel Board.
He seems qualified.
SMS

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Aug 16, 2007
 
And for Bishop Kmiec...
Bishop Kmiec’s baptismal parish, St. Hedwig’s in Trenton, is where he attended school throughout his grammar school years, and from St. Hedwig’s he went on to Trenton Catholic Boys High School. In 1954, Edward Kmiec left the Trenton area to attend St. Charles' College in Catonsville, Maryland, and later St. Mary's Seminary in Baltimore, where he received his B.A. degree in 1958. Subsequently, he was sent to Rome for his theological studies, residing at the North American College and attending the Gregorian University. He was ordained to the priesthood on December 20, 1961 at St. Peter's Basilica in Rome, and his first Mass was celebrated at St. Peter’s in the Chapel of Our Lady of Czestochowa. He continued his studies and received his S.T.L. degree in 1962 from the Gregorian University.
Bishop Kmiec served as associate pastor of St. Rose Parish in Belmar, New Jersey. In 1965, he was appointed Secretary and Master of Ceremonies to His Excellency, Bishop George W. Ahr, whom he served in that capacity through 1980.
Bishop Kmiec was named Prelate of Honor (Monsignor) by His Holiness Pope Paul VI in 1977. On November 3, 1982, he was ordained to the Episcopacy. He served as auxiliary bishop of the Diocese of Trenton from 1982 until he was named tenth bishop of Nashville by His Holiness Pope John Paul II and was subsequently installed to that office on December 3, 1992.
For more than 27 years, Bishop Kmiec was actively involved in various phases of administration of the Diocese of Trenton. This included serving as vice chancellor of the diocese from 1966 through 1982. He was a member of the Diocesan Budget Committee, the Diocesan Priests’ Council and the Diocesan Board of Consultors. He also served as Moderator of the Curia and Vicar General of the diocese, and he was the general secretary for the Fourth Synod of the Diocese of Trenton that ended in 1991. He also was a member of the Public Policy Committee of the New Jersey Conference of Catholic Bishops, for whom he also served as secretary-treasurer.
Bishop Kmiec served as chairman of the Bishops' Committee on the Diaconate from 1995 through 1998 and was chairman of Region V of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops from 1994 through 1998. He has also served on numerous other national and regional committees, the Bishops' Committee on Human Values, the Bishops' Committee on Pastoral Research and Practices, and the Bishops’ Committee of Priestly Life and Ministry. He has been on the Board of Trustees of his alma mater, the North American College, Rome.
Bishop Kmiec also served as a member of the Bishops' Secretariat for Catholic-Jewish Relations, the Secretariat for Catholic-Orthodox Relations. He also served on the Bishop's Committee on the Laity and the Board of the Southeast Regional Office for Hispanic Affairs, and was a regional Episcopal Advisor for the Cursillo Movement.
He is a former member of the Ad Hoc Committee for Catholic Charismatic Renewal and Administrative Committee of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops as Alternate Representative for Region V.
Since 1997, Bishop Kmiec has served on the Roman Catholic Dialogue Committee with the Polish National Catholic Church. He currently chairs the committee.
In addition, Bishop Kmiec currently serves on the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Nominations Committee. He also serves on the Bishops’ Advisory Committee to the Maryknoll Fathers and Brothers, Board of the Northeast Regional Office of Hispanic Affairs, and the Board of Trustees of SS. Cyril and Methodius Seminary in Orchard Lake, Michigan.
Bishop Kmiec is a member of the Canon Law Society of America, the Catholic League for Religious Assistance to Poland, the Kosciuszko Foundation, the Polish Institute of Arts and Sciences, and the American Center of Polish Culture. He is a Fourth Degree Knight of Columbus and Knight Commander of the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre.

Again, he seems qualified.
AMDG
SMS

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Aug 16, 2007
 
Sorry last two posts were out of order.

I am pressed for time, but it does seem personal.
You say Fr. Sullivan does not have the credentials. Here is a bio from the website of the Diocese of Buffalo...
Rev. W. Jerome Sullivan, JCD, is the Pastor of Saint Mary of the Lake Parish in Hamburg NY and the Coordinator of the Priests' Personnel Board. After ordination to the priesthood on December 20, 1961, Monsignor Sullivan obtained a doctorate in Canon Law from the Lateran University in Rome in 1966 after which he served as Vice Chancellor. He has served as Parochial Vicar at Saint John Fisher Parish, South Dayton NY, Saint Paul Parish, Kenmore NY, Our Lady of Perpetual Help, Buffalo NY. He was the Administrator of Assumption and Queen of All Saints Parishes in Lackawanna NY, and Pastor of Saint Mary of Sorrows Parish, Buffalo NY. He also has served as Chairman of the Council of Priests along with several terms as a member of the Priests' Personnel Board.
He seems qualified.
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Aug 16, 2007
 
Jerry Sullivan is a good man, no doubt. However, he has no plan for priests (pastors)left without a parish. He has not thought out what will happen to the guys whose parishes are closed/merged and will no longer be pastors. That is quite telling. He is clearly out of his league.

Bp. Kmiec is also out of his league. He tells everyone he knows that he is just counting the days until retirement. He may be a talkative sort, but he is clearly not running the diocese.
Within the diocese, everyone knows that ti is David LiPuma who has the bishop's ear and is calling the shots. It frustrating ad infintum to those of us who must deal pastorally with a bishop who cannot deal with a thing.

Biographies are one thing, practical running a diocese or a program is quite another. Adolf Hitler's biography looked pretty good on paper, as did myriad of others whose actions bespoke something quite contrary to their actions. Case in point: Fr. John Aurelio. His biography was superb. His ministry at St. Catherine's had quite the following. His days in psychiatric work were stellar. Yet he was molesting kids. So much for a biography that is lovely to read.
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Aug 16, 2007
 
Danny wrote:
Dunkirk NY census in 1970 - 22,500
Dunkirk NY census in 2000 - 9,500
So explain to me why they need so many churches?
plus it is taxe free ?
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Aug 16, 2007
 
biggest land owner in buffalo ny tax free hmmmmmmmm
SMS

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Aug 16, 2007
 
Sister Mary wrote:
Adolf Hitler's biography looked pretty good on paper,
To the best of my knowledge, he has not worked for the Diocese of Buffalo.

Farewell, Sister Mary.
As for me and my house, we shall serve the Lord.
Sister Mary

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Aug 16, 2007
 
Serve the Lord with the common sense, intelligence and desire for knowledge that he placed in human beings! Blind service is worthless. Dear soul, I never suggested Hitler worked for the diocese of Buffalo. I was making what is called an analogy to make a point. When all else fails, it is amazing how someone takes something out of context. I take great pride in serving my Lord who gave me intellect, sense and eyes that are open to see following Him does not equal following the folly of men. Sometimes God's Will and man's does go hand in hand and other times it doesn't and it is painfully obvious. For me, the fruit of prayer reveals this whole situation is not of the Lord who said, "first make peace with your brother who has sinned against you and THEN go offer your gift at the altar." Bishop has not given nor asked for forgiveness. As our leader, he should set the standard by example. Unfortunately, in this regard, he has failed.
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Aug 16, 2007
 
Sister Mary wrote:
Serve the Lord with the common sense, intelligence and desire for knowledge that he placed in human beings! Blind service is worthless. Dear soul, I never suggested Hitler worked for the diocese of Buffalo. I was making what is called an analogy to make a point. When all else fails, it is amazing how someone takes something out of context.
I agree with serving the Lord with common sense, intelligence, and desire for knowledge.

But I sense condescension in your statement above. I also understand that it is often difficult to appreciate nuisance on a computer screen. If I am mistaken in my perception, forgive me.

Please be assured that I understand literary devices. Your metaphor was poor. You disagree with those who are in positions of authority in the Diocese. This I understand. But to bring Hitler and child molestation into this discussion is disingenuous. Are you next going to imply that the Journey of Faith and Grace was responsible for the Inquisition?

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood...
Farewell

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