In America, atheists are still in the...

In America, atheists are still in the closet

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“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

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#18659 Jun 23, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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Wow you sound like some Christians do when talking about gays. But I don't we need more people deciding things that are legal and guaranteed under the constitution should obliterated because you don't like them. Pretty ironic huh?
.. so, you support same-sex marriage ??..

.. good for you !!..

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#18660 Jun 23, 2012
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>My guess would be that other people have chewed things off to get away from him.
Coyote love?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#18661 Jun 23, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I've saved two people from drowning, and one from a traffic wreck.

I figure that means that I can kill a coupla people and still be ahead of the game.
Hmmm...

Never thought of it that way.

“free your mind.”

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#18662 Jun 23, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Well, my point exactly. How do we KNOW that our suspect does have the information we need? How do we discern a good statement from a bad one? If you were to approach me with a chainsaw, bent on sawing off my limbs until I talked, I would blurt out *a* confession, plan, story or whatever. How will you know if it is usable?
As for mi familia - that's a personal matter. I will raise all sorts of hell if anyone of them are in peril.
Moral highground is an objective POV, not a subjective one, methinks
Yes. I was /am in agreement.
Although things like 'the greater good' and the 'right' thing to do are subjective, I would hope there would be a consensus on which human beings could agree , a 'high ground' as in ' ideal' to aspire to..
Keeping some simple rules or statements as its basis.
That 'it is wrong to kill or to cause deliberate harm to another'(including and in particular,torture)would be one.
'To respect another person's humanity' would be another.
So that even where circumstances arise which test these mandates to the limit and beyond, they should always be upheld as having preedence over other considerations ..
Where there are conflicting considerations, and action 'needs' to be taken contrary to this principle, it should never be seen as ok or right that one party has been harmed or murdered in the process..
..thats just me..

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#18663 Jun 23, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. as usual, awesome post Nontheist ..
.. hoping HFY & AIN will provide some insight regarding the brain's development ..
.. hoping Buck will give his input on the spiritual capacity of the young brain ..
.. would be an interesting debate ..
I have seen two definitions for athesit. Some only have one like this site. The primary definition is:

atheist

noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheis...

Noun 1. atheist - someone who denies the existence of god
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist

That is an acquired position. By definition, or the one commonly assigned, someone would not be an atheist at birth. They wouldn't fit either definition of atheist or theist IMO.

Although I have seen some secondary definitions, can't remember what dictionary source off-hand, where it also says something like "lack of a belief in a deity". So I can see a basis for the argument but IMO the primary or only definition in most cases in the first and going by that one would have to conclude it is a learned belief.

(T) Peace

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#18664 Jun 23, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Disbelief is to reject something as untrue.

You don't know what you're talking about.

How many ways do you wish to lose this argument?
One would be a start.

Let us know when you've found one.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#18665 Jun 23, 2012
IRYW wrote:
<quoted text>Do you refer to the third grade as your senior year?
If he'd made it that far...

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#18666 Jun 23, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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Because when you die you are dead? The body dies on earth and the soul in hell. You are mad at a religion that doesn't save you from death even though you don't believe in life after death or the religion. That makes sense.
You are projecting. I could care less about your mythology, until you start shoving it in my face.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#18667 Jun 23, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>That's nice.

But nowhere does it say that inhaling water is drowning.

People inhale water, as in saliva, every day and do not drown.

This is the dumbest goddamned thread I have ever visited.
Inhale saliva?!

Really?!

How?

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#18668 Jun 23, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I would go ahead and saw a limb off of you, and see if you changed your story.
If you stood firm on it, then I'd go with it.
I really hope that you are joking..speaking for yourself personally.

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#18669 Jun 23, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. so, you support same-sex marriage ??..
.. good for you !!..
People can get married for money, power, fame, citizenship, security, obligation, etc yet somehow nobody talks about the sanctity of marriage then. Or a society where 50% of marriages end in divorce. The argument is a sham. And because of the societal prejudices and some people feeling they either have to keep their orientation private or maybe even less public then a marriage I would think it is more likely more people in same-sex marriages do so for love then hetero-sexual marriages. I have no problem personally with two people marrying for love.

And spiritually speaking since I am hetero-sexual it isn't going to effect me and what others do is between them as God.

Societally-speaking I think it is unconstitutional to prevent it since rights are attached. And I don't think religion should be allowed to legislate morality.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#18670 Jun 23, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmm...
Never thought of it that way.
Okay, I was a bit cynical when I wrote that.

I'll try not to let it happen again.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#18671 Jun 23, 2012
IRYW wrote:
<quoted text>Aspirate me!
Aspirate

To suck in Chest medicine noun Fluid withdrawn from a cyst verb To inhale foreign fluid or semi-fluid material, in particular gastric content into the upper respiratory tract, resulting in aspiration pneumonia Clinical medicine The drawing of a fluid under negative pressure from a joint–eg, to ↓ pressure Lab medicine The drawing of a fluid under negative pressure into a receptacle for storage—eg syringe, or for analysis—as in a laboratory instrument that aspirates material being tested on a batch analyzer

Notice the word "inhale" in that definition.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

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#18672 Jun 23, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>(EDITED)
Well I certainly understand why you are so against it. This is becoming rather enlightening. Just a fair warning since I tend to be a little pompous around people acting bigoted, I know the bible pretty well.
.. the two pillars of bigotry are fear and ignorance. They support each other ..

.. if you look at nature, you find diversity. To pretend it doesn't exist is just plain stupid ..

.. ultimately, bigotry is a security blanket for a fragile ego ..

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#18673 Jun 23, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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You are projecting. I could care less about your mythology, until you start shoving it in my face.
You posted me

As did the poster that initiated the conversation

Nobody was shoving anything in your face. You are so thin-skinned that hearing someone talk about a religion you could care less about even when they are not talking to you causes you to take it personally and respond claiming it is being shoved in your face?

Does this apply to other places. For instance anybody in the same room as you or restaurant or party or office is talking about something you don't even care about according to you and you can hear it they are shoving it in your face?

Your posts seem to be progressively getting more dishonest. Why not simply come clean and admit because I made some decent rebuttals you sought to aid some fellow posters and had nothing to do it with so you resorted to an attempted insult either out support and/or spite? Or if you don't have the integrity to do that at least stop making things up and just let it go. Jumping in to try to insult someone's beliefs just for the sake of doing so simply isn't an intelligent level of discourse.

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#18674 Jun 23, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
No. That is atheism. Everybody either has a god belief or not. The reason why not isn't important to the definition. A theist is somebody who believes in a god or gods. Everybody else is an atheist.
<quoted text>
No, an infant is not agnostic. Agnosticism is a belief that follows in some people after they have heard about gods, and decided that they do not - or cannot - know the truth about their reality. The atheism of infancy becomes the atheism of adulthood with the acquisition of knowledge about people's god claims, and the realization that one does not believe.
But since neither the baby nor the adult were theists, they were both atheists. Everybody is one or the other, just like everybody is either pregnant or not. Once you define terms clearly, there's no middle ground.
Atheism surely implies some awareness of the idea of a god .. as I now see does 'agnostic'.?
Whatever the hairsplitting of meaning of the terms applied , it's true that a baby is born with no belief in a god.. of course.. although the capacity for that belief is laid down in the mental makeup of that child..
If nobody believed in a god and no one taught that child such, that child would likely grow up wondering if there was something beyond our understanding and knowledge.. what form that 'something' took would be individual to that person's experience and imagination.

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#18675 Jun 23, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. the two pillars of bigotry are fear and ignorance. They support each other ..
.. if you look at nature, you find diversity. To pretend it doesn't exist is just plain stupid ..
.. ultimately, bigotry is a security blanket for a fragile ego ..
Brilliant

I think diversity should be celebrated. How boring life would be if we were all the same.

The last person that wanted that killed over 6 million Jews.

Nobody gets a free pass because of the group they are in. Hold them accountable. But to judge anybody based on anything than what that individual themselves has done is simply ignorant at best and bigotry at worst.

(T) Peace

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#18676 Jun 23, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>Buck, to drown in beer you have to inhale, not drink. I don't recommend that, though, as it would be quite unpleasant.
For who?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#18677 Jun 23, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
You don't get away with shit like that when I'm around.
You are the shit when you're around.

Let me save you some trouble: I´m not interested in any of your sophistry, nor your pissy rants.

It's this simple: I tell you what the word means when I say it, and the conversation is over. When I use the word in theway that I have indicated, I have communicated - except to stubborn, incalcitrant pedants and whiny, petulant, tantruming infants.

There are three of you theists right now on various threads the quibbling the semantics of the word atheism - you, barefoot, and Snow Bunny, a stealth theist who is fighting the same moronic battle on another thread about whether Dawkins is an atheist or not because he also calls himself an agnostic.

Now hear this: the opinions of theists are of no interest in this discussion any longer. Intelligent skeptics have gotten tired of your pointless quibbling and moved on and ceased listening to you. Theists are less than indifferent to our needs - you actively work against them and us. You aren't trusted, and your counsel is not solicited.

We don't need your understanding or approval, and we don't care if you accept our usage or not. It is ours, we understand ourselves, and we will continue to communicate in whatever way we feel we best, we will likely outnumber you in a few decades.

That's how it is.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

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#18678 Jun 23, 2012
Nontheist wrote:
So what? A newborn baby has little *thought* of anything, other than hunger, bowel movement, sleep, succor. None of that qualifies as reasoned thought.
.. day old infants have a biologically ingrained preference for beauty. They prefer looking at an attractive face so they are not blank slates. Something is going on in the brain ..

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