The Test of Isaiah 8:20

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#1 Sep 27, 2013
The Test of Isaiah 8:20

Here is a test that every one who is involved or take upon him or herself to preach the Truth should take in order not to be found preaching an evil message.

Isaiah 8:20 - "To the Law and the Prophets" if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no truth in them." If you have not noticed before, there is something very interesting about this test of Isaiah. He speaks of two words "Law and Prophets" then says "according to this word" as if he had mentioned only one.

Judaism was what Isaiah meant by "this word." In fact that's what "the Law and the Testimony" means: Judaism. Do those who are involved with teaching or discussing spiritual truth speak according to Judaism besides the Jews? Obviously not.

Jesus seems to have taken that test of Isaiah 8:20 and was proved an expert at the Truth as we have his own testimony in Matthew 5:17-19. His apostles took the same test and scored the passing test. Paul came next and listened to their gospel and was taken aback
with the impression that they were preaching a bout a different Jesus and took them as false apostles.

The conclusion is that as I have recommended above we all should take that test to make sure we are not teaching empty words of nonsense.
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#2 Sep 28, 2013
The prophet Isaiah was certainly speaking to the Jewish nation of Israel, but especially to his contemporaries, the teachers and priests, who were saying this Scriptural phrase at Isaiah 8:20, his warning that Israel was soon to be completely destroyed by Assyria for practicing what Jehovah God specifically told his people not to do, and also prophetically for Judah which was also practicing spiritism.

It was God's word the Scriptures that Isaiah was saying was the only truth, the Jews did not obey the direction of Isaiah and the nation suffered the consequences by death or slavery. One hundred and fifty years later the disobedient nation of Judah was destroyed by Rome in 70 C.E. That nation and all Jews were cut off by Jehovah God, and the prophecy of Isaiah, Jesus and Paul apply for these last days of this unrighteous world, which will soon be destroyed by God's heavenly Kingdom of Kings and priests and his new spiritual nation of Israel, heavenly Mount Zion as the Jerusalem above.
Hebrews chapter 12.

The only prophet class of people today, that have Almighty God Jehovah's approval are Jehovah's witnesses, the only way a person can come to know, love and serve the one true God in heaven. John 17:3 Matthew 22:37-39

The only way to survive the end of this world and live in God's new world of peace and happiness. Not a brag, just fact with Scriptural truth as proof. Matthew 28:19,20

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#3 Oct 4, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
The prophet Isaiah was certainly speaking to the Jewish nation of Israel, but especially to his contemporaries, the teachers and priests, who were saying this Scriptural phrase at Isaiah 8:20, his warning that Israel was soon to be completely destroyed by Assyria for practicing what Jehovah God specifically told his people not to do, and also prophetically for Judah which was also practicing spiritism.
It was God's word the Scriptures that Isaiah was saying was the only truth, the Jews did not obey the direction of Isaiah and the nation suffered the consequences by death or slavery. One hundred and fifty years later the disobedient nation of Judah was destroyed by Rome in 70 C.E. That nation and all Jews were cut off by Jehovah God, and the prophecy of Isaiah, Jesus and Paul apply for these last days of this unrighteous world, which will soon be destroyed by God's heavenly Kingdom of Kings and priests and his new spiritual nation of Israel, heavenly Mount Zion as the Jerusalem above.
Hebrews chapter 12.
The only prophet class of people today, that have Almighty God Jehovah's approval are Jehovah's witnesses, the only way a person can come to know, love and serve the one true God in heaven. John 17:3 Matthew 22:37-39
The only way to survive the end of this world and live in God's new world of peace and happiness. Not a brag, just fact with Scriptural truth as proof. Matthew 28:19,20
Nice try TCW, the prophetic system in Israel ceased to exist when the Jews returned from exile in Babylon. Ezra qua Malachi was the messenger aka angel to prepare the place and the People for the return of Everlasting Righteousness according to Daniel 9:24. That's when the New Covenant was established and two cultural systems ceased to exist: The tribal system and the Prophetic one.
True Christian witness

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#4 Oct 4, 2013
You only wish that was the truth, or that may be what you were taught, but it certainly is not what the Bible says.

Both Nehemiah and Malachi and even Ezra all agree that the Jews did not learn their lesson even after they were restored to Jerusalem, after their punishment in exile, but they continued to be disobedient to Jehovah God's arrangement of the Law of Moses. The prophecy of Daniel had a first fulfillment with the appearance of the Messiah, and the greater fulfillment will be at the end of this world at Armageddon. Very soon to be here.
Daniel 2:44

Jesus the promised Messiah of the prophets of the nation of Israel, proved to be the only begotten son of God, sent to earth to deliver the Jews from their bondage, and even redeem all mankind. It was the Jewish leaders that had Jesus put to death, and the nation of Israel was cut off as God's chosen people. Jehovah God would now use the new nation of Spiritual Israel those of the new covenant, and the Law of Christ to be his new spiritual nation of Kings and Priests to rule with Jesus as Messianic King over this earth.
Galatians chapter 4

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#5 Oct 6, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
You only wish that was the truth, or that may be what you were taught, but it certainly is not what the Bible says.
Both Nehemiah and Malachi and even Ezra all agree that the Jews did not learn their lesson even after they were restored to Jerusalem, after their punishment in exile, but they continued to be disobedient to Jehovah God's arrangement of the Law of Moses. The prophecy of Daniel had a first fulfillment with the appearance of the Messiah, and the greater fulfillment will be at the end of this world at Armageddon. Very soon to be here.
Daniel 2:44
Jesus the promised Messiah of the prophets of the nation of Israel, proved to be the only begotten son of God, sent to earth to deliver the Jews from their bondage, and even redeem all mankind. It was the Jewish leaders that had Jesus put to death, and the nation of Israel was cut off as God's chosen people. Jehovah God would now use the new nation of Spiritual Israel those of the new covenant, and the Law of Christ to be his new spiritual nation of Kings and Priests to rule with Jesus as Messianic King over this earth.
Galatians chapter 4
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Your response above just shows how much you know of the Scriptures.
Read Ezekiel 37:22. After the Jews returned from exile in Babylon there were no longer two kingdoms of Israel and Judah. The tribal system had been ceased. Only one People, the Jewish People would own the whole of the Land of Israel. And if you read Jeremiah 31:34
the prophetic system had also ceased. One of the roles of the prophets was to teach the People how to know the Lord. There was no need for that anymore.
True Christian witness

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#6 Oct 7, 2013
Like I already said, you only believe that is true as in your understanding, but those with true faith in the one true God of the Bible, Almighty God Jehovah, know that is not truth. John 3:16

Almighty God Jehovah does have a people today, his named Christian witnesses that are accomplishing His will on earth today, in imitation of our reigning King and only son of God, Jesus.
Acts 15:14-18
Matthew 6:9,10
True Christian witness

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#7 Oct 7, 2013
Our heavenly King Jesus is getting ready to bring this world ruled by Satan the Devil to an end forever, there will be no more wars, crime, sickness or any problems to man and animal from selfish disobedient people with the mark of the original serpent beast, Satan the Devil.
Daniel 2:44

Revelation 14:6

It is because Satan has the influential and inspirational powers to mislead men away from being godly and obedient children of God, all must hear this good news of God's Kingdom that is being preached in the whole world. Individuals who are meek and honest and have the mark of Jehovah God will have the opportunity to become subjects of Jesus our heavenly King, and survive the end of this world, soon to be here.
Ezekiel 9:4

No one can be in Jehovah's spiritual tent of protection
unless they are qualified to receive the free gift of life in God's new world of peace and happiness, where there will be no more tears, ever again.
Revelation 21:3,4

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#8 Oct 8, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
Like I already said, you only believe that is true as in your understanding, but those with true faith in the one true God of the Bible, Almighty God Jehovah, know that is not truth. John 3:16
Almighty God Jehovah does have a people today, his named Christian witnesses that are accomplishing His will on earth today, in imitation of our reigning King and only son of God, Jesus.
Acts 15:14-18
Matthew 6:9,10
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There you are again preaching Replacement Theology by using the false gospel of Paul. Read II Corinthians 11:3-6,13 and tell me why Paul considered the Apostles of Jesus false apostles and preachers of a different Jesus from the one he was preaching? Tell us something true for once in your life.

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#9 Oct 8, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
Our heavenly King Jesus is getting ready to bring this world ruled by Satan the Devil to an end forever, there will be no more wars, crime, sickness or any problems to man and animal from selfish disobedient people with the mark of the original serpent beast, Satan the Devil.
Daniel 2:44
Revelation 14:6
It is because Satan has the influential and inspirational powers to mislead men away from being godly and obedient children of God, all must hear this good news of God's Kingdom that is being preached in the whole world. Individuals who are meek and honest and have the mark of Jehovah God will have the opportunity to become subjects of Jesus our heavenly King, and survive the end of this world, soon to be here.
Ezekiel 9:4
No one can be in Jehovah's spiritual tent of protection
unless they are qualified to receive the free gift of life in God's new world of peace and happiness, where there will be no more tears, ever again.
Revelation 21:3,4
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Wow! This post of yours above is a real a message of superstitions and myths; a real piece of idolatry. But hey, what is life without illusions for those who are completely absent from reality?
True Christian witness

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#10 Oct 9, 2013
Ben_Masada wrote:
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There you are again preaching Replacement Theology by using the false gospel of Paul. Read II Corinthians 11:3-6,13 and tell me why Paul considered the Apostles of Jesus false apostles and preachers of a different Jesus from the one he was preaching? Tell us something true for once in your life.
The replacement theology is only in your head, Paul preached the Truth (John 17:17) to Gentiles, ex pagans who were now worshiping Jehovah God as Christian followers of Jesus, the Messiah to the Jews. These Greeks had to accept the Law of Moses and the Prophets as absolute truth from Jehovah God.

Certain Christian Jews who were preaching that Christians must be circumcised, insisting that it was a command to obedience to the Law of Moses, these misled Jewish Christians who would not give up the Law of Moses, were not being obedient to the Law of Christ, the new covenant Jehovah God made with the Christians. Paul was exposing them as hypocrites. Acts 15:1-29

Circumcision is not a requirement for a person to become a true Christian and worship Almighty God Jehovah, our heavenly Father.
Matthew 24:14

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#11 Oct 10, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
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The replacement theology is only in your head, Paul preached the Truth (John 17:17) to Gentiles, ex pagans who were now worshiping Jehovah God as Christian followers of Jesus, the Messiah to the Jews. These Greeks had to accept the Law of Moses and the Prophets as absolute truth from Jehovah God.
Certain Christian Jews who were preaching that Christians must be circumcised, insisting that it was a command to obedience to the Law of Moses, these misled Jewish Christians who would not give up the Law of Moses, were not being obedient to the Law of Christ, the new covenant Jehovah God made with the Christians. Paul was exposing them as hypocrites. Acts 15:1-29
Circumcision is not a requirement for a person to become a true Christian and worship Almighty God Jehovah, our heavenly Father.
Matthew 24:14
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You are so knowledgeable of the NT that you don't even know whom was Paul preaching against circumcision. I know that Christians are not required to circumcise but Paul preached to the Jews in the Diaspora not to circumcise their children. Read Acts 21:21. His arrogance was without limit.

Replacement Theology is the soul of the NT. To get rid of Replacement Theology in the NT the whole of Christianity may collapse. You deny because you have no learning of your own Bible.
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#12 Oct 10, 2013
The Jewish people today have the same opportunity to become children of Almighty God Jehovah as any Gentile of this world, the good news of the Kingdom is available to anyone to accept and obey to survive the end of this world. Matthew 24:14

Jehovah's witnesses will teach anyone their Bible, but Jesus said, only the meek and honest will listen and obey, and since very few people want to live under God's Kingdom Government today, they prefer this world ruled by Satan, therefore they are his children, and their blood is on their own heads.
John 3:36

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#13 Oct 10, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
The Jewish people today have the same opportunity to become children of Almighty God Jehovah as any Gentile of this world, the good news of the Kingdom is available to anyone to accept and obey to survive the end of this world. Matthew 24:14
Jehovah's witnesses will teach anyone their Bible, but Jesus said, only the meek and honest will listen and obey, and since very few people want to live under God's Kingdom Government today, they prefer this world ruled by Satan, therefore they are his children, and their blood is on their own heads.
John 3:36
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How "Jehovah's witnesses" teach their Bible by plagiarizing Isaiah 43:10 to identify themselves? This is Replacement Theology which has been classified by some scholars as Christian anti-Semitism.
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#14 Oct 11, 2013
Almighty God Jehovah is the author of the whole Bible, He is the One who chooses who He wants to represent Him, as He did with Jesus and the Apostles and gave Jesus all the authority and power to do the same thing today, as King of God's heavenly Kingdom, in these last days of this world ruled by Satan, the god of this world.
2Corinthians 4:4

Isaiah 43:10 is the motivating factor for God's people today to live up to the standard Jehovah God set for his people back then, just as the early Christians did as they faced persecution and trials for imitating Jesus, Jehovah God's promised Messiah to the Jews.
1Peter 2:21

Today Jehovah's witnesses worship Jehovah God as Jesus did and taught, and we teach other people their Bible so they can also worship the one true God Jehovah, and have the protection and care Jehovah promises for his united world wide congregation of His named people, Jehovah's witnesses. John 14:31
Acts 15:14

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#15 Oct 11, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
Almighty God Jehovah is the author of the whole Bible, He is the One who chooses who He wants to represent Him, as He did with Jesus and the Apostles and gave Jesus all the authority and power to do the same thing today, as King of God's heavenly Kingdom, in these last days of this world ruled by Satan, the god of this world.
2Corinthians 4:4
Isaiah 43:10 is the motivating factor for God's people today to live up to the standard Jehovah God set for his people back then, just as the early Christians did as they faced persecution and trials for imitating Jesus, Jehovah God's promised Messiah to the Jews.
1Peter 2:21
Today Jehovah's witnesses worship Jehovah God as Jesus did and taught, and we teach other people their Bible so they can also worship the one true God Jehovah, and have the protection and care Jehovah promises for his united world wide congregation of His named people, Jehovah's witnesses. John 14:31
Acts 15:14
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Not according to Jesus; the Almighty Jehovah is not the Author of the whole Bible if are including the NT. Every time Jesus referred to the Word of Jehovah he had the Tanach in mind and not the NT. He never even dreamed that the NT would ever rise.

Regarding Satan as the god of this world is true only for those who believe in him. When you believe in a god than he is your god.
For us, Satan is only a concept to illustrate the evil inclination in man.

The whole chapter 43 of Isaiah is about Israel the Jewish People if you read Isaiah 43:1. I wonder how you don't feel ashamed to plagiarize the Bible of another people to lie about yourselves being what you cannot be.

You do not worship Jehovah as Jesus taught. Jesus worshiped Jehovah according to the Law and the Prophets. In a word according to Judaism and you worship a demigod according to Hellenism which is an idolatry. Read Isaiah 8:20, according to the thread. If you don't worship Jehovah according to Judaism you don't have the Truth
but Greek Mythology.
True Christian witness

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#16 Oct 13, 2013
No wonder you can't reason on God's word the Bible, you are just another preacher who is teaching your own understanding of what he believes, that is exactly what the priests and ministers in Christendom do, and make a lucrative living at it. Matthew 15:9

This unrighteous world will soon be gone forever, and God's new world of peace and happiness will replace it, and the only people who will survive the end of this world will be Jehovah's witnesses, people who are no part of this world ruled by Satan the Devil.
ISAIAH 65:17
Revelation 21:3,4
Proverbs 2:21,22

Jesus taught the meek will inherit the earth, and they are proving to be Jehovah's witnesses, the loyal and obedient subjects of God's heavenly Kingdom Government, with Jesus as King of kings and Lord of lords.
Matthew 24:14

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#17 Oct 14, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
No wonder you can't reason on God's word the Bible, you are just another preacher who is teaching your own understanding of what he believes, that is exactly what the priests and ministers in Christendom do, and make a lucrative living at it. Matthew 15:9
This unrighteous world will soon be gone forever, and God's new world of peace and happiness will replace it, and the only people who will survive the end of this world will be Jehovah's witnesses, people who are no part of this world ruled by Satan the Devil.
ISAIAH 65:17
Revelation 21:3,4
Proverbs 2:21,22
Jesus taught the meek will inherit the earth, and they are proving to be Jehovah's witnesses, the loyal and obedient subjects of God's heavenly Kingdom Government, with Jesus as King of kings and Lord of lords.
Matthew 24:14
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Tell me, are you trying to teach Judaism to the Jews? How can the student teach the master? Jesus himself said that the Truth is the Word of God, which according to Psalm 147:19,20 was given to the Jews only and to no other people on earth.(John 17:17) No wonder Jesus said that salvation comes from the Jews.(John 4:22)

This "Unrighteous world" will never be gone forever as long as Israel remains as a People before the Lord Jehovah. Read Genesis 8:21,22; Jer.31:35-37 and John 4:22 in that sequence. The witnesses of Jehovah are the Jews according to Isaiah 43:1-10. The reason why you claim this chapter of Isaiah for yourselves is because you love to behave like vandals at plagiarizing the Jewish Scriptures with the things of Christianity.

When you claim that Satan rules this world the message you convey is that Satan rules the lives of those who believe in him. Jews don't believe in Satan. Since you do, Satan rules your life.

The Heavenly Kingdom Jesus referred to was a peaceful state of mind which we are supposed to maintain within ourselves. Read Luke 17:21. Not even your NT you know how to handle and now you are pretending to handle the Jewish Scriptures? This is vandalism of the Word of Jehovah.
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#18 Oct 15, 2013
I wish you all the happiness you can possibly have in this world, but you will never see everlasting life until you follow Jesus and obey his requirements for his earthly subjects. Matthew 7:21

The nation of Israel are no longer God's chosen people, Jehovah God is dealing with a new nation of Spiritual Jews, Jehovah's witnesses. Revelation 7:14

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#19 Oct 20, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
I wish you all the happiness you can possibly have in this world, but you will never see everlasting life until you follow Jesus and obey his requirements for his earthly subjects. Matthew 7:21
The nation of Israel are no longer God's chosen people, Jehovah God is dealing with a new nation of Spiritual Jews, Jehovah's witnesses. Revelation 7:14
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There is nothing everlasting about man. To believe so it would be to deny the Word of Jehovah in Genesis 3:22 which states that the reason why man was denied the tree of life was to prevent him from acquiring the attribute of eternal life. But alas! What do you understand? You prefer to obey the gospel of Paul than God's Word.

I think of the two of us I am the one who follows Jesus and you follow Paul. Jesus taught according to the Law and the Prophets if you read Mat.5:17-19 and Paul taught against them if you read Acts 21:21.

Regarding your arrogant Replacement Theology you only show how anti-Jewish you are. Instead of following Jesus you rather follow the Antichrist that Paul was.

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