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There are 364 comments on the Daily Mail story from Jul 30, 2014, titled High Court judge orders that teenage boy should be given.... In it, Daily Mail reports that:

High Court judge orders that teenage boy should be given life-saving treatment against the wishes of his Jehovah's Witness mother A High Court judge gave the go-ahead for a gravely ill teenage boy to be given potentially life-changing treatment against the wishes of his Jehovah's Witness mother.

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UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#1 Jul 30, 2014
The teenager probably knew that the Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong about plasma.
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#2 Jul 30, 2014
The Jehovah's Witness mother would rather have sacrificed her son to the wicked Watchtower god than learned mercy from Jesus (Matthew 9:13).
True Christian witness

Slick, OK

#3 Jul 31, 2014
The Bible, if you believe it is God's written word to mankind, using ordinary men to write what God wanted written down, then you must decide to obey it or not, as Christian followers of Jesus taught you must not eat or use blood.
Acts 15:29

Almighty God Jehovah views all blood as sacred and belonging to him, animal blood and human blood, and as God told Adam not to eat the fruit on His tree, it belonged to Him, you must decide to obey or not.

Genesis 9:4,5

Leviticus 17:14

The Bible is written for direction to God's earthly children, it would not be forced on anyone who rejects it.
There is no eternal fire punishment for any one, Jesus died for everyone, the wicked and the righteous.
John 3:16

Since: Nov 09

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#4 Jul 31, 2014
You really don't believe what you just wrote do you?

aadriver

Since: Aug 09

Bedfordshire, England

#5 Jul 31, 2014
True Christian witness wrote:
The Bible, if you believe it is God's written word to mankind, using ordinary men to write what God wanted written down, then you must decide to obey it or not, as Christian followers of Jesus taught you must not eat or use blood.
Acts 15:29
Almighty God Jehovah views all blood as sacred and belonging to him, animal blood and human blood, and as God told Adam not to eat the fruit on His tree, it belonged to Him, you must decide to obey or not.
Genesis 9:4,5
Leviticus 17:14
The Bible is written for direction to God's earthly children, it would not be forced on anyone who rejects it.
There is no eternal fire punishment for any one, Jesus died for everyone, the wicked and the righteous.
John 3:16
Dont you understand that the gov body have decreed that some parts of blood are acceptable and some are not.These are their imperfect ideas which continually change. What they say today could well change tomorrow. No wonder the world laughs at them
True Christian witness

Slick, OK

#7 Aug 1, 2014
Just to set the matter correctly, the Governing Body does not allow anyone to use blood, or give anyone permission in any way shape or form, when you decide by your own conscience to use any means from blood, you are accountable to Jehovah God, not the G.B.

Making the use of fractions or any means of using your own blood is a conscience matter, the Scriptures say you must not put any kind of blood into your body or eat it. To take a transfusion would be a direct rejection of God's commandment if you did, and a dismissal from the congregation.

“God Saves, Watchtower Lies”

Since: Nov 12

Ashland, OH

#8 Aug 1, 2014
True Christian witness wrote:
Just to set the matter correctly, the Governing Body does not allow anyone to use blood, or give anyone permission in any way shape or form, when you decide by your own conscience to use any means from blood, you are accountable to Jehovah God, not the G.B.
That's a lie.

Every single thing a member of the Watchtower religion does is based on whether it is permitted by the governing body (Watchtower clergymen) or not.

Everything.
DR SOS

Humble, TX

#9 Aug 1, 2014
Sparlock wrote:
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That's a lie.
Every single thing a member of the Watchtower religion does is based on whether it is permitted by the governing body (Watchtower clergymen) or not.
Everything.
Technically you are correct,

The sorting out of which blood fractions are a "conscious decision" or not is dictated by the WTS GB.

If it was TRULLY a conscious decision the GB would never have had to actually get detailed and sort out which blood fractions are acceptable and which ones are not.

It's called "going beyond what is written" and is clearly evident in the fact that "blood fractions" are never even HINTED about in the Bible.

Since: Jun 09

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#10 Aug 1, 2014
Sparlock wrote:
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That's a lie.
Every single thing a member of the Watchtower religion does is based on whether it is permitted by the governing body (Watchtower clergymen) or not.
Everything.
You are a moron that apparently can't understand anything.

Since: Jun 09

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#11 Aug 1, 2014
UNchained wrote:
The teenager probably knew that the Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong about plasma.
Typical comment from an idiot. In all likelihood the young man wasn't thinking clearly or perhaps the procedure was explained to him in a way he didn't realize that albumin or FFP would be used for replacement. You are a buffone.

aadriver

Since: Aug 09

Bedfordshire, England

#12 Aug 2, 2014
True Christian witness wrote:
Just to set the matter correctly, the Governing Body does not allow anyone to use blood, or give anyone permission in any way shape or form, when you decide by your own conscience to use any means from blood, you are accountable to Jehovah God, not the G.B.
Making the use of fractions or any means of using your own blood is a conscience matter, the Scriptures say you must not put any kind of blood into your body or eat it. To take a transfusion would be a direct rejection of God's commandment if you did, and a dismissal from the congregation.
JWs would not even have considered using fractions if it was not for the governing body. The moment they change their view on something and make it a conscience matter, then the witness can make a decision. But if it is a no no a loyal witness will always obey the gov body whatever the bible says about something.
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#13 Aug 2, 2014
How I See It wrote:
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You are a moron that apparently can't understand anything.
I have a few questions for you:

1. Which blood products can a Jehovah’s Witness accept, which blood products can a Jehovah’s Witness not accept and where in the Bible is this explained?

2. If consuming blood was a capital offense, why were Saul’s men not executed when they fell to eating blood along with the meat?
(1 Samuel 14:31-35)

3. Jesus was willing to perform miracles on the Sabbath in order to save lives, or simply heal the sick, and he did not condemn the woman with the flow of blood for touching him and making him ceremonially unclean. Rather, he condemned the Pharisees for their legalistic view.

In view of that, would Jesus make an exception to a dietary rule to save a human life?

4. Since Jehovah's witnesses reason that food offered to idols may be eaten and that some blood components may be used, would a little fornication also be OK?

5. If a blood transfusion is essentially an organ transplant, how can it be viewed as “eating blood” since no digestion or nutritional benefit accrues?

Can a blood transfusion be an organ transplant and a meal at the same time?

6. On what basis do Jehovah's Witnesses use the expressions “sustaining life” or “taking in” with respects to accepting a blood transfusion when those words never occur in the Bible?

7. What does the expression “abstain from blood” in Acts 15:29 really mean?

What does the context suggest?

8. Why is it that plasma, red cells, white cells and platelets are forbidden when 100% of their components are on the approved list for Jehovah's Witnesses to take in order to “sustain life?”

9. Why can Jehovah’s Witnesses accept 100% of blood fractions and benefit from the blood that others donate, but are not donating blood themselves?

Would not giving blood to help save others’ lives, including the lives of your spiritual brothers and sisters, be the loving and Christian thing to do?

10. What should I do?

My child is gasping for air. His blood count is perilously low. His heart rate is at 200, and climbing. The doctors have told us that without a transfusion, he will die of respiratory distress and heart failure. Blood expanders will not help at this point, he needs more red blood cells. He is horribly pale and listless and with wide eyes, he looks at me and whispers “Help me, Daddy.”

Should I let my child die based on the word of an organisation that has changed its mind about organ transplants, vaccinations, civil service, the “sheep and the goats,” the “generation”, 1799, 1874, 1878, 1881, 1914, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1975, etc., etc., etc.?

Should I let my child die?

Is this really what Jehovah and Jesus expect of me?

How will I feel if the blood ban finally becomes just one more old doctrine that is forgotten?

Will I be able to forgive myself?

*****
False Christian Witness REFUSED to answer ANY of those questions.

Will you step up to the plate and hit a home run out of the ball park or will you strike out just like him and slither back to your dugout?
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#14 Aug 2, 2014
The teenager probably knew that the Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong about plasma.
How I See It wrote:
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Typical comment from an idiot. In all likelihood the young man wasn't thinking clearly or perhaps the procedure was explained to him in a way he didn't realize that albumin or FFP would be used for replacement. You are a buffone.
I bet he is smarter than you give him credit.

I venture to say that the young man will probably leave the Jehovah's Witness cult by the time he is 20 years old.

He's alive today because he told the doctors that he would accept the procedure.

If his crazy Jehovah's Witness mama had her way, he would be dead today.

Since: Jun 09

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#15 Aug 2, 2014
UNchained wrote:
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I have a few questions for you:
1. Which blood products can a Jehovah’s Witness accept, which blood products can a Jehovah’s Witness not accept and where in the Bible is this explained?
2. If consuming blood was a capital offense, why were Saul’s men not executed when they fell to eating blood along with the meat?
(1 Samuel 14:31-35)
3. Jesus was willing to perform miracles on the Sabbath in order to save lives, or simply heal the sick, and he did not condemn the woman with the flow of blood for touching him and making him ceremonially unclean. Rather, he condemned the Pharisees for their legalistic view.
In view of that, would Jesus make an exception to a dietary rule to save a human life?
4. Since Jehovah's witnesses reason that food offered to idols may be eaten and that some blood components may be used, would a little fornication also be OK?
5. If a blood transfusion is essentially an organ transplant, how can it be viewed as “eating blood” since no digestion or nutritional benefit accrues?
Can a blood transfusion be an organ transplant and a meal at the same time?
6. On what basis do Jehovah's Witnesses use the expressions “sustaining life” or “taking in” with respects to accepting a blood transfusion when those words never occur in the Bible?
7. What does the expression “abstain from blood” in Acts 15:29 really mean?
What does the context suggest?
8. Why is it that plasma, red cells, white cells and platelets are forbidden when 100% of their components are on the approved list for Jehovah's Witnesses to take in order to “sustain life?”
9. Why can Jehovah’s Witnesses accept 100% of blood fractions and benefit from the blood that others donate, but are not donating blood themselves?
Would not giving blood to help save others’ lives, including the lives of your spiritual brothers and sisters, be the loving and Christian thing to do?
10. What should I do?
My child is gasping for air. His blood count is perilously low. His heart rate is at 200, and climbing. The doctors have told us that without a transfusion, he will die of respiratory distress and heart failure. Blood expanders will not help at this point, he needs more red blood cells. He is horribly pale and listless and with wide eyes, he looks at me and whispers “Help me, Daddy.”
Should I let my child die based on the word of an organisation that has changed its mind about organ transplants, vaccinations, civil service, the “sheep and the goats,” the “generation”, 1799, 1874, 1878, 1881, 1914, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1975, etc., etc., etc.?
Should I let my child die?
Is this really what Jehovah and Jesus expect of me?
How will I feel if the blood ban finally becomes just one more old doctrine that is forgotten?
Will I be able to forgive myself?
*****
False Christian Witness REFUSED to answer ANY of those questions.
Will you step up to the plate and hit a home run out of the ball park or will you strike out just like him and slither back to your dugout?
My child would die and have the hope of resurrection. Yours might too but you would have no hope after your death. Seems you may have saved your underage child but lost your own life for not putting Jehovah's commands first. You simple minded people apparently think this life is all there is. Enjoy your seventy or eighty years because that's all you may have.

Since: Nov 09

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#16 Aug 2, 2014
How I See It wrote:
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My child would die and have the hope of resurrection. Yours might too but you would have no hope after your death. Seems you may have saved your underage child but lost your own life for not putting Jehovah's commands first. You simple minded people apparently think this life is all there is. Enjoy your seventy or eighty years because that's all you may have.
How old are you, 12?

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#17 Aug 2, 2014
aadriver wrote:
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JWs would not even have considered using fractions if it was not for the governing body. The moment they change their view on something and make it a conscience matter, then the witness can make a decision. But if it is a no no a loyal witness will always obey the gov body whatever the bible says about something.
It's strange how the GB make such bones about abstaining from blood at the sake of risking one's life.....but the GB has since decided that "blood fractions" are permissible. I still fail to understand their most peculiar reasoning on this.
DR SOS

Humble, TX

#18 Aug 2, 2014
How I See It wrote:
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My child would die and have the hope of resurrection. Yours might too but you would have no hope after your death. Seems you may have saved your underage child but lost your own life for not putting Jehovah's commands first. You simple minded people apparently think this life is all there is. Enjoy your seventy or eighty years because that's all you may have.
"My child would die and have the hope of resurrection."

Interesting

A lot of stuff to go over here

At what age do YOU think your child would be capable of making its own decision in regards to a blood transfusion?

I ask because if a child can CHOOSE to get baptized at 12 or even younger then logic would tell us that that same child at that same age should be able to decide what they want to do in regards to blood transfusions or fractions.Many things to discuss here,take your time........

Since: Jun 09

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#19 Aug 2, 2014
The Real Karen wrote:
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How old are you, 12?
Please, I know it's difficult for you to follow anything with an intellect greater than 12 but try if you want to comment.

Since: Jun 09

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#20 Aug 2, 2014
DR SOS wrote:
<quoted text>"My child would die and have the hope of resurrection."
Interesting
A lot of stuff to go over here
At what age do YOU think your child would be capable of making its own decision in regards to a blood transfusion?
I ask because if a child can CHOOSE to get baptized at 12 or even younger then logic would tell us that that same child at that same age should be able to decide what they want to do in regards to blood transfusions or fractions.Many things to discuss here,take your time........
I wasn't given the age in the example. If my child was baptized at the age of 12, I would expect him/ her to refrain from blood but as the guardian I would refuse as well. So what exactly is your point? If it were fractions, I would not give consent either but that child when on its own would need to decide based on his conscience.

Since: Nov 09

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#21 Aug 2, 2014
How I See It wrote:
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Please, I know it's difficult for you to follow anything with an intellect greater than 12 but try if you want to comment.
And you still wont answer a simple question. ;)

Seriously HISI, your name calling and constant trying to belittle others is so childish, you cant even respond to a simple question without doing it. Are you so unsure of your self that you have to do this?

Others have commented to me about how silly you act at times, and I started noticing it, and they are right, you do act like a jealous child. Try to grow up, and act a little more mature, maybe just maybe others will start to take you seriously then.

And remember, you are not setting a good example to those who come here to see how JWs act.

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