Bill Maher vs. God: 'Real Time' host crucifies organized faith ...

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Maher, who has been picking on organized religion for years on his TV shows "Politically Incorrect" and "Real Time," zealously traveled the world for " Religulous ," his documentary challenging the validity and ...
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God Stuff

United States

#493 Oct 1, 2008
Pretty baby wrote:
He is obnoxious , isn't he.
Not as obnoxious as most religions. Mr. Maher is very good at what he does. Maybe he can wake a few more people up from the dream fantasy worlds of mystical beings and fairy tales called religions. Free thinking people have one more voice in masses of ignorant and brainwashed believers.

Thank you Bill Mahar,
Allah Ackbar and Praise Jesus....
Tsailor

United States

#494 Oct 1, 2008
Age wrote:
<quoted text>The work of a "professional"? And only a professional will let you know if you should be concerned. And if a professional disagrees you can hire another professional until you get the opinion that coincides with your own. In that case, save money, and draw your own conclusions. Faith in God is the same deal. I don't want priests or others telling me how to view the world, my afterlife (or lack thereof), how to interpret the bible, etc. I can do that on my own, thank you very much.
I may be right. I may be wrong. But, by God, I am pleased as punch that He (or She or It) allowed me the ability to think for myself.
I don't necessarily quarrel with anything in your above post. The original motto of the Royal Academy of Science until recently was "on the word of no one". Which basically meant to test, experiment, observe, and reason on the observations (as distinguished from facts which are somewhat more elusive).

I contend the process is similar in the matter of faith, correctly understood. Many here have taken the plain English mean of "belief without proof". As I and several others have pointed out, the Bible defines faith differently. Words such as "assured", "evident", and "prove" are used often in connection with faith. It is supportable by a very similar process, of test, observe and reason.

“It's Evolution Baby.....”

Since: Feb 07

Allentown Pa

#495 Oct 1, 2008
Real Woman wrote:
On what rights does it infringe? On NOT going to hell?? If you're an atheist, then you should NOT care. DUH!!!
Blue laws, for example. Not to mention that, in case you haven't noticed, we're in a bit of an economic funk. Yet we continue to grant tax exempt status to organized religion, which is a for profit business, pure and simple.

And don't even get me started on the terrorists at the Women's clinic.
Real Woman wrote:
I bet you are the first one in this picture, right?
Oh, I get it. It's funny, right? Yeah, I've never heard that one before.

“It's Evolution Baby.....”

Since: Feb 07

Allentown Pa

#496 Oct 1, 2008
Old School Mets Fan wrote:
Most atheists/agnostics I have discussed this with will readily admit that the complexity of the universe undercuts the argument of randomness. If it's not random, then it was created and I submit the more statistically probable explanation.
It doesn't undercut anything. The complexity of the Universe? How is the Universe complex? How are you measuring complexity? By a HUGE margin, the most abundant element in the Universe is Hydrogen. It doesn't get much simpler than that.

Again, read up on the Anthropic Principle.
Baltimore

Upper Falls, MD

#497 Oct 1, 2008
Age wrote:
<quoted text>You absolutely have the right to free speech, at least in this country (so far, until China owns us). God Bless America.
What you should recognize is that you don't have the right to insist that your religion be brought into the schools and God forbid the government. I'm tired of wishing people "Happy Holidays". I've reverted back to "Merry Christmas". If they are offended, tough patooties. I don't walk around trying to hurt. It's the spirit intended and mine, just like "God Bless You, when someone sneezes, is meant kindly.
It's the religious nutjobs with their relentless campaign and inability to converse without quoting the bible that makes the majority of Christians seem like...well, I'll say it...completely out of control and possibly insane.
If Christians do not have the right to bring religion why would Athesist's have the right to bring evolution into the schools or government.

Face it I'm not happy about what is going on in the Government now, but I am subject to the vote of the people. We all have to be a part of something we don't always want. That's America.

“It's Evolution Baby.....”

Since: Feb 07

Allentown Pa

#498 Oct 1, 2008
Evolution wrote:
Evolution is also based on fossil remains as evidence that it is the basis of the beginning of life. It's just as hard for a person who believes in God to accept the postulation by something a scientist dug up out of a hole.
Fossils are a very, very small part of evolution.

Whether you believe it or not, evolution is now accepted as fact. This is no longer in dispute. The Theory of Evolution is the best explanation we have to explain the fact that evolution is happening, and has been happening, nonstop, to every living plant, animal, fungus, and the other Kingdoms of organisms for billions of years.

Here's a great place to start if you're interested.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

“It's Evolution Baby.....”

Since: Feb 07

Allentown Pa

#499 Oct 1, 2008
Evolution wrote:
I was referencing the fact that the earth is perfectly situated away fro the sun, tilted on axis for seasons. The atmosphere supports life...etc....That a pretty complicated process that runs pretty well.
http://www.anthropic-principle.com/

“It's Evolution Baby.....”

Since: Feb 07

Allentown Pa

#500 Oct 1, 2008
Baltimore wrote:
If Christians do not have the right to bring religion why would Athesist's have the right to bring evolution into the schools or government.
Because one is pure superstition and one is scientific fact. Think that may have something to do with it?

Evolution is the most tested theory in the history of Man. Over 150 years, and it hasn't been cracked, not even once.

Evolution is both a fact, and a theory, as I've explained above.

Evolution has been tested many times more than the theory of gravity, for example. So why is nobody complaining that we're teaching kids about gravity?
Baltimore

Upper Falls, MD

#501 Oct 1, 2008
Age wrote:
<quoted text>Baloney. We all care about how we are viewed by others. It's instinctive. Unless you are a complete recluse, you are going to love kudos and despise knocks.
Where I work and have worked I've been called a genius one second and an idiot the next. I figure I fall somewhere between which would mean I have normal intelligence. I am secure enough with myself to realize people are emotional and run hot and cold. You can see that at any sporting event. I do not base my opinion of myself on what others think or say. I would go nuts. Some people love you some people hate you. That’s just the way it is.
Baltimore

Upper Falls, MD

#502 Oct 1, 2008
Fed Hill wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahh, I see and that fact is compelling. But given the almost unimaginable size of the universe wouldnt it be bound to happen to one planet.
You would have to tell me the odds on that. I haven't won the lottery yet and I bet it has better odds. Who knows maybe in a billion years I'll win.
Baltimore

Upper Falls, MD

#503 Oct 1, 2008
steve-2304 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because one is pure superstition and one is scientific fact. Think that may have something to do with it?
Evolution is the most tested theory in the history of Man. Over 150 years, and it hasn't been cracked, not even once.
Evolution is both a fact, and a theory, as I've explained above.
Evolution has been tested many times more than the theory of gravity, for example. So why is nobody complaining that we're teaching kids about gravity?
Evolution is scientific fact? I will need more then you vouching for it. Who has tested evolution? Evolution may have been sucessful in debate with religion but evolution as Scientific FACT. I'm not convinced.

It's interesting you bring up Gravity. A force not seen and the effects can be tested and observed and measured but you are correct. How do you prove gravity? Science says it is the natural attraction of one body (of mass) to another. Science can explain what it is...but cannot explain WHY it is. It is just there and it just happens. We all take it for granted because it JUST IS.

Science can explain only so much and then it still takes a certian amount of faith to believe that we will wake up tomorrow and gravity will still be there.

So is Gravity superstition?
Crackerman

United States

#504 Oct 1, 2008
Crackerman

United States

#505 Oct 1, 2008
Tsailor

Boston, MA

#507 Oct 1, 2008
steve-2304 wrote:
<quoted text>
Evolution has been tested many times more than the theory of gravity, for example. So why is nobody complaining that we're teaching kids about gravity?
Really! I was under the assumption that more than 6 billion people tested it every time they take a step. That's not even counting all the other creatures and inanimate objects on the earth.
Baltimore

Upper Falls, MD

#508 Oct 1, 2008
Steve -2304
I went to your link and found this statement

“Simple compatibility, in itself, is insufficient as scientific evidence, because all physical observations are consistent with an infinite number of unscientific conjectures. Furthermore, a scientific explanation must make risky predictions— the predictions should be necessary if the theory is correct, and few other theories should make the same necessary predictions.”

The link you sent me to suggests that the theory of evolution “must make risky predictions”.
I understand that this is the case for scientific study. You have to start somewhere and test the theory. I just have not seen the “FACT” part you mention. It is still based on prediction. I understand fossils are not the only evidence presented for evolution, but it is a very big part of your case. I will need more and better evidence.

In the case for Christ being Messiah. The books of the old testament proclaimed the coming of the Messiah and documented where he would be born, and what would happen to him in great detail.(book of Daniel and Isiah are two) These books were written long before Christ was born.

Christ's birth was predicted by prophets hundreds of years before his birth. The detail of his birth, life and death is very detailed in the book of Daniel and Isaiah. There is also a great amount of detail on the historic accounts of Daniel and Isaiah and their place in history.

True Prophecy is based on the accuracy of the prophet. In the case of Daniel and Isaiah they were also tested on their accuracy and found to be correct 100% of the time. They were also tested and have passed the test of time. Much more then 150 years of research you mentioned.

It may not be Scientific fact but it is historial fact. But then again evidence is evidence.

It's funny how people put a great deal more weight on something because you say it is "scientific". There are a great many big words in the link you sent which make it look very impressive. Almost as impressive as the latest "bail out" bill being presented by congress. just because the words are big and there are lots of them does not make it fact.

“It's Evolution Baby.....”

Since: Feb 07

Allentown Pa

#509 Oct 1, 2008
Baltimore wrote:
Evolution is scientific fact? I will need more then you vouching for it. Who has tested evolution? Evolution may have been sucessful in debate with religion but evolution as Scientific FACT. I'm not convinced.
I do not have the time to start from scratch and try to educate every doubter I encounter on these boards.

The facts are out there. There are literally thousands of websites, textbooks, and research papers available online.

I could post hundreds of these links, direct you to the Evolution threads here on Topix where real scientists and researchers post regularly.

But what good would that do? If you have to ask if gravity is superstitious because it can't be seen, then your knowledge of basic Biology and of the scientific method are so weak that all those big words are sure to intimidate you there too.

But here are a couple, just in case you do care to read up:

http://www.talkorigins.org/

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php...

http://www.nsta.org/publications/evolution.as...
Doc Ok

Cypress, CA

#510 Oct 1, 2008
All of you are getting too worked up over Maher. Regardless what anyone thinks about religion, it won't go away--whether you want it to or not. So just let Maher have his cathartic experience and we'll all get on with life as it is. Perhaps he'll feel better now. In any case, the movie will be forgotten within a year.
Laura

Salisbury, MD

#511 Oct 1, 2008
Marge wrote:
<quoted text>Imagine if Maher had the guts to make fun of Muslims.
He won't because he knows they would kick his butt.
It isn't brave to beat up someone that won't punch back.
Muslims punch back and Maher avoids them.
He is a wussy.
And he won't make fun of Jewish people because the producers wouldn't have that.
If Maher had guts he would go after all religions. They all have their own oddities.
The 79 virgins thing is kinda funny.....
You obviously know nothing about Maher - he HAS made fun of all these groups.
Thinking

United States

#512 Oct 1, 2008
Evolution wrote:
<quoted text>
I was referencing the fact that the earth is perfectly situated away fro the sun, tilted on axis for seasons. The atmosphere supports life...etc....That a pretty complicated process that runs pretty well.
Quite a stretch to believe that this all happened by accident. Don't you think?

Since: Sep 08

AOL

#513 Oct 1, 2008
faith wrote:
<quoted text>
that's right. they must be crazy or ignorant. at one time everyone thought the world was flat (crazy or ignorant?).
Imagine what Jesus would think as Bush sends 4500 American troops (and counting) to kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for a lie. A preventative (not preemptive) war? I think he would disapprove. Not sure he'll make it to heaven.
you people better get your head out of the sand (or Bible) and have faith in man, because I'm afraid God is not going to help. As long as you have that crutch nothing is going to improve.
HAVE YOU SEEN ANYTHING IN THE NEWS THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO HAVE FAITH IN THE HONOR AND ETHICS OF MANKIND. THINK FRAUDS AND CROOKS AS LEADERS OF ALL PHASES OF LIFE AT THIS TIME,THE WORST IN HISTORY. amen

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