Masterbation a sin?
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Sean

Southfield, MI

#1 Oct 26, 2006
ok so the other day i was watching this vidoe online and some guy was ranting on how masterbation was a sin...if i am correct i belive that it is a natural behavior with everyone. the man also said u would go to hell for it....damn if masterbation was a sin i would be satan... so please ppl send me ur views on this.
Openly Okie

Cathedral City, CA

#2 Oct 26, 2006
We'd ALL be Satan if masterbation was a sin. I'm certain that several Christian groups define the sin of Onan as sinful on the grounds that it's something like aborting a child when you ejaculate seman. Since women's bodies don't function that way they can probably get a pass on masterbation, but the morality police are pretty specific about men.

It's one of the major flaws in the philosophy of the ancient Jewish beliefs concerning who children are formed. Back in the olden time, Jews believed that men, alone, where responsible for bringing children into the world by virtue of their seman. Women's bodies were, to the ancient Jews, like a fertile field where a seed is planted.

Modern science has shown that women provide an egg, and that egg was unknown in ancient Israel, thus a man's seman was considered highly precious and the belief was that it wasn't to be wasted under any circumstances. The problem with that belief is that men can manufacture seman for the duration of their lives. The only problem men have is erectile dysfunction, no seman production.

Many churches who once held masterbastion to be sinful have changed their views. The Catholic Church and the Mormons have not. They have a pro-life attitude concerning masterbation as if to say one should not waste seman because it is a human life. Biology is in direct conflict with that belief, yet since when that scientic evidence ever matter to the Catholic Church or the Mormons.

At the minimum, masterbation is a PRIVATE act, as it should be. There is such a thing as chronic or excessive masterbation. When one engages in the practice to the detriment of personal responsiblity, that's a problem. The frequency varies with the age. Older men and woman are not as interested in masterbastion as young people are. It's a natural aspect of growing older. It is also used as a form of birth control and that's where you run into the "sin" aspect with religious groups. I advise that you ignore them.
tyo

Hull, UK

#3 Oct 27, 2006
no it's not a sin
DGMagnolia

Columbia, MD

#4 Oct 27, 2006
The act of saying that masturbation is a sin is a sin unto itself. How easily we forget that publicizing the shortcomings (no pun intended) of others is a sin. Many years ago a great philosopher warned us about the problem with noticing the splinter in an eye of another person while ignoring that there was a plank in our own.
The following bit of humor revolves around the philosophy that Mary the Mother of Jesus was sinless. The purpose of posting it here is not to offend anyone but to simply render a smile for the day. A former Catholic Archbishop shared it with me. If you don't have a bit of a chuckle after reading it, you do need help.
Jesus was about to witness the execution of a woman accused of adultery. His only instruction to the executioners was that the one among them who had no sin could cast the first stone. It was reported by some observers that his Mother proceeded to pick up and then throw a bolder.
DJ MAN

Salt Lake City, UT

#5 Nov 5, 2006
ITS A SIN NOT MATTE WHAT U SAY,.. I HAE GON THROUGH IT I KNOW IT 1ST HAND
JESUS SAVES

Salt Lake City, UT

#6 Nov 5, 2006
JESUS WANTS TO SAVE EVERY ONE JUST HAVE TO BELEIVE,.. NO MATTER IF U BELIVE IT BUT ON THE LAST DAY EVERY ONE WILL BOW ON THER KNEES BEFORE GOD. THATS WHERE THE FINAL JUGEMENT WILL BE.
sir galahad

Liverpool, UK

#7 Nov 5, 2006
well the koran doesn't say anything about masterbation just look how many islamic wankers there are
Bill

Leesburg, FL

#8 Nov 5, 2006
OK, follow me on this ...
The bible says that muder is a sin. And the thought among the Christian zealots is that masturbation is a sin, because you are killing a potential human ...

So, if I were a fervent believer (which I'm most certainly not), then I would stop masturbating.

The problem with that plan is a little act refered to as the "wet dream". So, God (ahem) tells us it's wrong to kill, but then creates us in his image. If that is to be believed, then surly God must have had, at one time, wet dreams also. Yes? So, by telling us not to masturbate, as it's against his rules, then creating us so that we break one of those rules while sleeping, does this mean that God really wants all of us in hell?

Folks, before you jump up on the religous high-horse, and call me all manner of vile names, truly try to think about what I propose ... are we truly sinning if God made our bodies after his own?

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Villus

Neuss, Germany

#9 Nov 8, 2006
I elieve masturbation is a sig against the personsl body, relations, soul and spirit.
Its difficult to stop but God is the answer to all our short comings pray and flee from the act.
God bless you all.
OO - Openly Okie

Cathedral City, CA

#10 Nov 8, 2006
Villus wrote:
I elieve masturbation is a sig against the personsl body, relations, soul and spirit.
Its difficult to stop but God is the answer to all our short comings pray and flee from the act.
God bless you all.
Yeah. Well thanks for your feedback on that and good luck on the abstenence thing. If you're single and strongly religious I've heard abstenence can be rewarding; spiritually speaking. But if you're single and abstinent, you should understand that single men who are abstinent have the highest suicide rates of all single people. It can be very stressful. I'd risk a little spiritual discomfort before I allow myself to get so depressed that I'd want to kill myself.

Prohibitions against masterbaston go back to the biblical story of Onan who "spent his seed upon the ground." In that time in history, the Jews believed men, alone, where responsible for bringing a child into the world. They had no knowledge that women carried an egg that had to be fertilized. From that theoritical position, the Jews believe that since men carried the key to life from his sperm, he shouldn't waste any arbitrarily by means of masterbastion. However, they faild to take into account that men produce seman their entire lives. A man can father a child as early as age 11 or 12 and can continue to do so until the day he dies. Men's bodies constantly replenish seman and you'd have to wonder what God was thinking about he he gave man the ability to do this, gave them the will and desire to ejaculate most of their lives, but prohibited them from doing so except to specifically create children at a given moment. Men have amourous feeling a great deal more than is necessary to father a child every 9 months with his wife. Men of the bible often had MANY wifes and that put demands upon an individual husband. It's no less desireable to experience ejaculatory orgasm for single men than it is for married men, and the truth is, nothing is really wasted. In fact, it's probably a bit of good health practice to do it in preparation for marriage, or to relieve a bit of sexual stress while married when one's wife cannot accomodate a man's desire for sex.
Zoompad

Stafford, UK

#11 Nov 8, 2006
Sean wrote:
ok so the other day i was watching this vidoe online and some guy was ranting on how masterbation was a sin...if i am correct i belive that it is a natural behavior with everyone. the man also said u would go to hell for it....damn if masterbation was a sin i would be satan... so please ppl send me ur views on this.
Yeah, well, the sort of people who stand at the front and rant are usually the biggest wan*ers of all/
Dave

Seattle, WA

#13 Nov 19, 2006
Masturbation is a perfectly normal, natural and fun activity. Alone or with others of like mind. There is nothing sinful, at all, in masturbating. Just enjoy it and have fun. Human sexual activity, is good with or without religious blessings.
In fact any type of sexual activity between consenting adults is normal, natural and blessed by God, since God is un-conditional and non-judgemental love. He is not the horrible, judgemental old man the conservative Christians make him out to be. Thank God they don't represent all of Christianity. For worthwhile teachings/attitudes on/about human sexuality attend inclusive churches. Their teachings on sex are more rational.
AisSedi

Seaside, CA

#14 Nov 19, 2006
Masterbation is not the all devil thing that pple make it out to be... I mean cmon.. we dont live the in the biblical days anymore.. God no longer talks to us in person like he did to Moses and the 10 commandments.. Masterbation is a helthy part of growing up.. it satisfies the urges that we get thru puberty.. it beats compleatly breaking the scriptures that all of christianity put upon us.. that is premerital sex.. i for once would rather masterbate and get rid of these feelings than to keep them in and end up raping some poor girl from lack of ejaculation.. and im not saying that is what makes pple rape anyone.. but hey.. i have heard that it is one of the many causes..
Yesenia

Houston, TX

#15 Nov 22, 2006
The reason why the Catholic Church declares masturbation to be sinful is because a this action is selfish and objectifying contrary to the way love should be. Masterbation allows for the objectification of whatever that person is getting aroused to, is directed by self indulgence in the act, and directs all the energy to him/herself resulting in a false feeling of satisfaction.

The truth is that masterbation is NOT natural. It's a person's own distruption of nature by coercing a feeling of joy that just degrades humanity. Natural ejaculation in the form of "wet dreams" is what nature designed for this excess sperm buildup, and it is nothing to be ashamed of. This is natural when masterbation is not.

Lust and temptations only increase one's want for masterbation... Be careful because it is very addicting and can lead to other more damaging sins. What happens when masterbation does not satisfy your "urges"? This can lead to more objectifications and selfish indulgences with real people, using a girlfriend for pleasure and not to share your equal selfless love with eachother, searching for prostitutes, strip clubs, porn, rape. It is dangerous to yourself because you are training your brain to want this satisfaction , which just introduces a battle between lust and love.

I urge you to find help. Don't listen to people that answer with the lies they tell themselves. Ask an expert in the church and ask WHY. Don't just ask if it is a sin, but really try to understand WHY. I recommend you read John Paul II's Theology of the Body or listen to Jason Everett and Christopher West speak on this dillema. You are not alone, but don't allow yourself to be fooled by ignorance and the bandwagon. We have all been desentisized to sin. Thank God you are asking this question, which means you feel at least a small drop of guilt. Check out this thread on masturbation as sin. http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php...

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OO - Openly Okie

Cathedral City, CA

#16 Nov 22, 2006
Yesenia wrote:
The truth is that masterbation is NOT natural. It's a person's own distruption of nature by coercing a feeling of joy that just degrades humanity. Natural ejaculation in the form of "wet dreams" is what nature designed for this excess sperm buildup, and it is nothing to be ashamed of. This is natural when masterbation is not.
I'll assume you mean by "not natural" that, outside of humans, it's not seen in nature. Science has no use for that hypothesis. Masterbation has been documented in hundreds of animal species and, notibly, in primates: apes and monkeys, who DNA we share 95% of. So while wet dreams are certainly a natural means of ejaculating, there's nothing immoral about masterbating unless you fall for that Catholic baloney. It's just another of the contrived ways the Catholic church uses to lay guilt on people.

Doesn't it occur to you how ironic it is for God (if there is a God) to create man so that he can ejaculate daily, even several times, and his body almost immediately manufactures new sperm, then to have some arbitrary rule made by the church that makes the ability that God created somehow sinful? Add to that moral conumdrum the additional problem of God creating man with a powerful physical sensation, an orgasm, then making it sinful to have one. As you know, many devout Catholics ONLY have sex to procreate. In some Catholic traditions, the male and female bodies are separated by, at minimum, a piece of fabric to prevent their flesh from touching each other. What possible purpose could the be in creating people who have and enjoy the physical pleasure of sex only to make it into a moral failing? Milliions of years of human evolution created these desires and physical sensations and they have proven to be useful in the propagation of the human animal. Abstinence from masterbation creates in some people such an overpowering backlash of unleashing pent up sexual frustration, they indeed do go overboard. But there's absolutely notice negative about enjoying masterbation unless it becomes such an obsession that it affect your ability to uphold your normal responsibilities. Even then, there's no religious immorality involved, just personal irresponsibility
itsme

Virginia Beach, VA

#17 Nov 30, 2006
Would you be proud to tell other of what you have done? If not then its probably a sin.. Could you Ask god to bless or use that activity for his own purposes?
OO - Openly Okie

Cathedral City, CA

#18 Nov 30, 2006
Private sexual acts are not a matter of discussion. Certainly married people don't strike up a conversation with friends to them what they did in bed. The same goes with masterbastion. Just because you don't discuss your private sex life with other doesn't have mean it is somehow shameful. It' private. If God gave our bodies the capacity to feel the pleasure, there's no doubt that doing it for its intended purpose is precisely what God designed our bodies for. Otherwise, he would have designed us to only find pleasure in sexual contact with a mate. The entire religious theory behind the so-called sinfullness of masterbaster was devised by religious orders of men in the 11th century to conform to their desire for the perfection of their spirit. I do not apply to people who have no such religious goal. We may thank God Almighty for giving us this wonderful capability, and I most certainly do give thanks for it.
john

Coco, Costa Rica

#19 Dec 2, 2006
i beleive its a sin cause the bible says not to lust and what are you doing when you are masterbating?
OO - Openly Okie

Cathedral City, CA

#20 Dec 2, 2006
john wrote:
i beleive its a sin cause the bible says not to lust and what are you doing when you are masterbating?
I would say that if you have a problem reconciling masterbastion and the naturally occuring emotions that accompany it, then don't do it. I think religious people should understand that calling naturally-occurring sexual desire a name like "lust" is a reaction to knowing that a person's sexual life can overwhelm their responsibilities. We call it "lust" when we feel a sexual impulse toward a person who is not our spouse. Is that wrong? In many cases it very well may be wrong if one is so absorbed with sex they cannot keep their desires within the bounds of marriage or uphold their day-to-day responsibilities. But many men and women who maintain life-long committment and fidelity to their mates do, indeed, have sexual reactions to people who are not their spouse. The difference is, they don't act on the feelings. They reserve their actions for their mate. They will often take that very reaction and use it as motivation and inspiration in their own marital relationship. Regardless of whether people want or do not want these feeling to occur, the human mind is basically helpless to prevent them. So what is better for a man whose wife is disabled or unable to perform sexually, infidelity or masterbastion? Just because a man's wife cannot be sexually available to him, it does not mean that his mind ceases to have sexual thoughts. Is it better for a single man to masterbate or to go ahead and have sex with a woman he is not married to? Those are the real delimmas people face. And sexual arousal has a mind of its own. There's no need to allow it to control you life. But there is absolutely no harm in engaging in masterbastion to relieve sexual stress or even recreationally. We have to exercise our bodies to keep them fit to perform. Masterbastion serves that same purpose and we needn't impose some arbitrary evil conotation to it when we behave responsibly.
TheRealTruth

Oulu, Finland

#22 Dec 10, 2006
sir galahad wrote:
well the koran doesn't say anything about masterbation just look how many islamic wankers there are
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