Pat Robertson on Ft. Hood: Islam is 'not a religion' and...

[Arnold]

That's true. But don't forget, the radical Muslims have the courage and integrity to speak the truth when they say the Quran tells them to act the way they do. It really only seems to be the moderates who lie. Bin Laden, for example, will tell you what he's going to do and why, and he'll outright admit it. Khalid Muhammad recently admitted with glee and boasted in a court of law about him being the mastermind of 911 and said straight out why he did it. These people are being good, honest Muslims. Islam must rule, even if it takes violence, and that is straight out of the Quran. Muslims always try to shift the point when you ask them about this directly. Ask them if Islam seeks to rule the world, and they will sidestep the question and say that Islam does not require all people to be Muslim. But what they won't tell you is that Islam does INDEED require that all people be ruled by Islam, whether they are Muslims or not.

This is what these liars never tell you, and every time I mention this, I get silence from these liars because they know I'm 100% correct, but they don't want non Muslims to know this....at least not yet.

[Arnold]

Can't anybody refute this with anything other than utter nonsense? I don't think that can be done.

[YWN]

Arnold wrote:

He said it was a political movement, rather than a religion. Are you saying Islam is not political? Isn't Islam more political than it is spiritual? Think about it. what is spiritual and deep about the Quran?

Have you heard of Covenant theology (also known as Covenantalism or Federal theology or Federalism)?-

That's where you find the answer -

Here - Start educating yerself with this:

The Challenge of Islam: The Prophetic Tradition

By Norman O. Brown,

Book overview

The Prophetic Tradition: The Challenge of Islam is an enlightening set of lectures given by Norman O. Brown during the 1980s, exploring a wide-ranging array of topics concerning Islam. Brown reveals the overlooked relationship between Islam and early Christianity, exploring Islam’s relation to, and revision of, the Christian tradition, the literary innovation of the Qu’ran, the nature of revolutionary and political Islam, and the vision of a world civilization.

Throughout these lectures, which are remarkably pertinent today, Brown seeks to educate the reader on misunderstood areas of Islam, including the split between the Sunni and Shi’ite sects and Islam’s exemplification of the broad themes of art and imagination in human life. The author’s world-historical perspective of religion and tradition gives readers a crucial alternative to the divisive “clash of civilizations” view that paints Islam as at odds with the West. He exposes the unifying strands between Islam and early Judeo-Christian doctrine, showing that Islam is in fact a genuine part of “Western” tradition, and more importantly, part of a global tradition that embraces us all.

http://books.google.com/books...

[Rex]

I hope all of us become bold to tell the truth like Pat.Robertson in dealing with the atrocities of Muslims in our lands. Bravo Pat.Robinson.

[YWN]

Arnold wrote:

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And is a similar error repreated anywhere else in place you have forgotten to mention?

Have not forgotten, my dear Arnold - I said it before on this site -

Look post #34 May 14, 2009 here:

http://www.topix.com/religion/islam/2009/05/m...

And here is more on the "similar error" from another source:

This monotheizing process arose out of Israel's need to survive, out of its desire for life, so that the prophets could sometimes speak of defeat as an occasion for blessing and blessing as an occasion for sin. The sages introduced global thinking based on people's experiences that had nothing to do with national epics but with the common humanity of all people.

As this monotheizing process continued, it broadened under Greek, then Roman, hegemony to the point that Jesus admonished his followers to love their enemies ( Matthew 5:44). This can only be seen as the (theo)logical conclusion of the monotheizing process, but rather than pursuing this process, Judaism, Christianity and Islam have actually abandoned it in favor of their own particular versions of henotheism.

La ilaha illa Allah

Theologians say Times Op-Ed was wrong: Monotheism is the only way

By Paul E. Capetz and James A. Sanders

November 10, 2007

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/web/la-oe...

[Edwin]

Pat Robertson said the truth. He is one bold person to tell the truth. I salute him Islam is really the political system,hiding under a religious "hijab'.

[King Samuel]

To YWN: Jesus said,"you will know a tree by it`s fruit."(matthew 7:15-16) Muslims, like Muhammed 1400 years ago,kill, raid, rape, etc. Real christians, like Jesus 2000 years earlier, seek only the will of God. Jesus said, "I AM the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes to the Father except through me."(john 14:6) Jesus said,"the thief (Muhammed) has come to "kill, steal, and destroy, but I came so that you might have abundant life."(john 10:10-11) Jesus said that he did not come to destroy,(like the muslims do)but he came to "seek and save the lost."(luke 19:10) Do not harden your heart any further. Jesus said, "I stand at the door of your heart and knock, if any man hear and open, I will come in and we will have fellowship together."(rev.3:20) Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior today. God (Jesus) bless you. GOD IS THREE.

[Kenneth Durham]

HEY MOSLEMS>>>>

So why don't you follow the Koran when it says Israel belongs to the Jews?
17:104 And Allah said thereafter to the Jews, "Dwell securely in the land Israel"
5: 20-21 Moses said to the Jews: O my people! Remember the bounty of God upon you when He bestowed prophets upon you , and made you kings and gave you that which had not been given to anyone before you amongst the nations. O my people! Enter the Holy Land which God has written for you, and do not turn tail, otherwise you will be losers
MUSLIMS PLEASE FOLLOW THE QURAN IN THIS INSTANCE IF YOU MUST INSIST IN FOLLOWING YOUR TERRORISTIC JIHAD PORTION OF THE QURAN

[King Samuel]

Kenneth Durham wrote:

HEY MOSLEMS>>>> So why don't you follow the Koran when it says Israel belongs to the Jews? 17:104 And Allah said thereafter to the Jews, "Dwell securely in the land Israel" 5: 20-21 Moses said to the Jews: O my people! Remember the bounty of God upon you when He bestowed prophets upon you , and made you kings and gave you that which had not been given to anyone before you amongst the nations. O my people! Enter the Holy Land which God has written for you, and do not turn tail, otherwise you will be losers MUSLIMS PLEASE FOLLOW THE QURAN IN THIS INSTANCE IF YOU MUST INSIST IN FOLLOWING YOUR TERRORISTIC JIHAD PORTION OF THE QURAN

Good point, but Im sure they would merely explain that away somehow, and why wouldn`t they? They are anti-christs and liars. And if they refuse to follow the true scriptures when it says Jesus is the Son of God, then it is no surprise that they wont follow the lie either.

[YWN]

Hey, King Samuel,

King Samuel wrote:

To YWN:.... GOD IS THREE.

Jews believe that God is one and indivisible.

Jews do not believe in a trinity.

The Jewish idea of God is that God is One and Indivisible. We cannot divide God up into separate parts, where each part of God is UnEqual to each of the other parts, but somehow they are one and the same.

The Hebrew Scriptures describes God as an absolute One, but the Christian's New Testament describes the Christian idea of God as divisible into three parts called a trinity.

In the Christian's New Testament, Jesus at one point claims to have different knowledge than other parts of the Christian Trinity. For example, Matthew 24:36 or Mark 13:32.

In another verse, Jesus does not have the same power as other parts of the Christian Trinity, for example, Luke 23:34. And in Matthew 26:42, Jesus's will is not the same as the will of the Father. Indeed, Jesus often contrasted himself with the Father, for example, in John 14:28, or Luke 18:19.

Furthermore, Jesus supposedly said that the punishment for blaspheming against one part of the Trinity is not the same punishment for blaspheming against another part of the Trinity.

In the Hebrew Scriptures, however, God is One, as we read in Deuteronomy 6:4, as well as in Isaiah 44:6, where God tells us, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." When Isaiah tells us that God said, "I am the first," it means that God has no father. When Isaiah tells us that God said, "I am the last," it means that God has no literal son.

And when Isaiah tells us that God said, "Besides me there is no God," it means that God does not share being God with any other god, or demi-god, or semi-god, or persons, and there is no trinity.

http://whatjewsbelieve.org/explanation06.html

[King Samuel]

To YWN: Thank you for your post. And while I must apologize(I thought you were muslem when you spoke of monotheism), I still maintain my belief in the Trinity. However, while I must point out that not all christians believe in the Trinity(I am sure you know that), I must make it clear that I dont believe in three gods, but One God manifesting Himself three different ways-like water, ice, and steam. Also, since were made in his image, we can look at ourselves and see that Man, made in His image are individuals, yet three parts. SOUL BODY MIND(SPIRIT) FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT God bless you friend

[Conservatarian]

What an idiot you are. Pat Robertson has never cried "Alahu Akbar" while murdering innocent unarmed people. Islam is the scourge of the Earth, and so is it's politically correct sympathizers like you.

Omni wrote:

I don't know who is worse; Pat Robertson or Muslims

[Conservatarian]

Surprize, surprize, an islamo fascist doesn't like Pat Robertson.

Abu Najda wrote:

Pat Robertson - by a long long stretch.
Interesting how roboblogger picks up these stories giving people like this profile they do not deserve.

[King Samuel]

Conservatarian wrote:

Surprize, surprize, an islamo fascist doesn't like Pat Robertson. <quoted text>

They hate Pat for the same reason the LEFTIES do. For the same reason they crucified the Son of God. For the same reason they WAGE WAR ON Zion. They(the children of darkness) are of the devil and they hate ALL THINGS GOD.

[Reality]

Arnold wrote:

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Let's go people. Stare at it. See it. Acknowledge it's realty, and do something about.

That's your own reality. I see no one jumping to your side in agreement...

YEAH, RAH RAH RAH, Let's get us a lynching mob formed ..rah rah rah

Well get those killers let's go find them and kill them...
You're a sick vomit joke if ever there was one.

[Reality]

Conservatarian wrote:

What an idiot you are. Pat Robertson has never cried "Alahu Akbar" while murdering innocent unarmed people. Islam is the scourge of the Earth, and so is it's politically correct sympathizers like you.
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No but HIS Jew buddies cried ot aaaaaargh before killing large numbers of Palestinian innocents.

and about the phrase that is used as top choice today....'Kill them all'.....

It was actually Catholic crusaders against the Cathars in the southern France region during the Albigensian Crusade in 1209. Not against Protestants but against what the Catholic church considered heretics some 300+ years before there were any Protestants to be found.

I knew the actual quote - "Tuez-les tous; Dieu reconnaitra les siens."

and its source - Arnaud-Amaury, Abbot of Citeaux

[Arnold]

YWN wrote:

<quoted text>Have you heard of Covenant theology (also known as Covenantalism or Federal theology or Federalism)?-
That's where you find the answer -
Here - Start educating yerself with this:
The Challenge of Islam: The Prophetic Tradition
By Norman O. Brown,
Book overview
The Prophetic Tradition: The Challenge of Islam is an enlightening set of lectures given by Norman O. Brown during the 1980s, exploring a wide-ranging array of topics concerning Islam. Brown reveals the overlooked relationship between Islam and early Christianity, exploring Islam’s relation to, and revision of, the Christian tradition, the literary innovation of the Qu’ran, the nature of revolutionary and political Islam, and the vision of a world civilization.
Throughout these lectures, which are remarkably pertinent today, Brown seeks to educate the reader on misunderstood areas of Islam, including the split between the Sunni and Shi’ite sects and Islam’s exemplification of the broad themes of art and imagination in human life. The author’s world-historical perspective of religion and tradition gives readers a crucial alternative to the divisive “clash of civilizations” view that paints Islam as at odds with the West. He exposes the unifying strands between Islam and early Judeo-Christian doctrine, showing that Islam is in fact a genuine part of “Western” tradition, and more importantly, part of a global tradition that embraces us all.
http://books.google.com/books...

how is this supposed to tell me that Islam is not a political religion. This is a bunch of bullshit. Ask and Muslim if Islam is a political religion and see what you get.

[Arnold]

Reality wrote:

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That's your own reality. I see no one jumping to your side in agreement...
YEAH, RAH RAH RAH, Let's get us a lynching mob formed ..rah rah rah
Well get those killers let's go find them and kill them...
You're a sick vomit joke if ever there was one.

Well then the conclusion, based on your post, is that you agree that San Diego should have appeasement for Muslim prayer in school, while the Government stifles Jewish and Christian prayer, right? and you think that's right, correct? Never mind, we both know you won't answer that honestly. You are an extremely dishonest person and something tells me you don't fancy it to be dishonest or negative behavior, but rather fancy it as clever or positive behavior, and the only reason I could see for this is your Islamic upbringing. Truly a continual and consistent disgrace.

[Arnold]

Conservatarian wrote:

Surprize, surprize, an islamo fascist doesn't like Pat Robertson.
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Sometimes, the only way to counter extreme ignorance is with ignorance. Pat may not be the brightest bulb in the box, but it's people liike him that prevent Muslims from getting more and more emboldened

[Arnold]

Arnold wrote:

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Well then the conclusion, based on your post, is that you agree that San Diego should have appeasement for Muslim prayer in school, while the Government stifles Jewish and Christian prayer, right? and you think that's right, correct? Never mind, we both know you won't answer that honestly. You are an extremely dishonest person and something tells me you don't fancy it to be dishonest or negative behavior, but rather fancy it as clever or positive behavior, and the only reason I could see for this is your Islamic upbringing. Truly a continual and consistent disgrace.

Why even bother asking when you answer the question yourself?
What an air head you are.