No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf

'Even minorities living in Pakistan cannot blaspheme against the holy Prophet , hence I appeal to religious leaders of every shade of religious persuasion to stop their demonstrations after clear assurances from Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani that no amendment is being made in the blasphemy law,' Altaf said while talking to an assembly of MQM ... Full Story

Since: Sep 11

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#42767 May 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
You wanted to have a logical and reasonable discussion with me.
Is your post the way to do reasonable and logical discussion? You pose a question, answer it yourself and then decide on the outcome. I do not think that it come sunder a logical or even civil discussion.
You should ask a question, and then wait for reply and then have your query on reply, till the matter is settled, or we have had our say on that
You have to go slow and go step by step, no need to hurry.
You have just "glossed over" the most important issue.
That is the issue of Creator!!
When we see this whole and working Universe before me, how come it came out of no where?
So let us first discuss this point first. Unless we solve this point, what is the meaning to discuss Islam and it being the only religion.
So let us concentrate our focus on the issue of Creator of this Universe.
How can this Universe create itself, or can it come by chance?
Let me hear your argument about it.
And unless we decide on this issue, let us raise no other point.
MUQ, nothing makes me more happier than when you swear by logic and reason. And then again, I'm always a votary of civilized discussions. It's always a creative challenge for me as to how to write a hard hitting post without sounding rude. So you can rest assured that you will not catch me on the wrong foot on that front.

I was making a general statement when I said that there can be contrary opinions about the issue of creator. Right now I don't want to resort to polemics by bringing in my own personal ideas about creator. All I want to say is that our approach to questions regarding universe and its origin, the teleological argument for the existence of God originate and operate within a particular paradigm. A paradigm is like a working model which satisfactorily explains a certain phenomena from the start to the end.

But just because a working model is a satisfactory explanation of a certain phenomena, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is the absolute representation of truth. A working model can become dysfunctional if it cannot harmonize any new parameters or variables brought into the system.

Creation and creator model, where the two are separate, also operates within a certain paradigm. There is another paradigm about original substance and the forms of that original substance, for example clay and the forms made out of clay. If you a ask a quantum physicist as to who created this world he would give the answer as quantum field. Similarly a taoist would say that this whole universe is a dream dreamt by God. So it all depends on which paradigm your mind operates in. Each of these paradigms can give you a successful working model to explain our universe.

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#42768 May 19, 2013
Dragnet52 wrote:
<quoted text>MUQ, nothing makes me more happier than when you swear by logic and reason. And then again, I'm always a votary of civilized discussions. It's always a creative challenge for me as to how to write a hard hitting post without sounding rude. So you can rest assured that you will not catch me on the wrong foot on that front.
I was making a general statement when I said that there can be contrary opinions about the issue of creator. Right now I don't want to resort to polemics by bringing in my own personal ideas about creator. All I want to say is that our approach to questions regarding universe and its origin, the teleological argument for the existence of God originate and operate within a particular paradigm. A paradigm is like a working model which satisfactorily explains a certain phenomena from the start to the end.
But just because a working model is a satisfactory explanation of a certain phenomena, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is the absolute representation of truth. A working model can become dysfunctional if it cannot harmonize any new parameters or variables brought into the system.
Creation and creator model, where the two are separate, also operates within a certain paradigm. There is another paradigm about original substance and the forms of that original substance, for example clay and the forms made out of clay. If you a ask a quantum physicist as to who created this world he would give the answer as quantum field. Similarly a taoist would say that this whole universe is a dream dreamt by God. So it all depends on which paradigm your mind operates in. Each of these paradigms can give you a successful working model to explain our universe.
..What a horrible post .."Dragnet52"..Do you love the sound, of your own voice ...?

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#42769 May 19, 2013
number four wrote:
<quoted text>..What a horrible post .."Dragnet52"..Do you love the sound, of your own voice ...?
I'm sorry that I cannot tailor my post to win the popularity ratings. I know that a Bible wielding creationist like you must be disappointed with my post, but I don't have any easy options either. I'm not someone who minces his words so that he can be known as an affable person.

Who doesn't love the sound of his own voice? I'm not so self effacing to say that I don't love the sound of my own voice. And coming to my post I'm eagerly waiting to see you write a brilliant counter reply which can clearly elucidate as to why my post is a horrible one.

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#42770 May 19, 2013
Dragnet52 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sorry that I cannot tailor my post to win the popularity ratings. I know that a Bible wielding creationist like you must be disappointed with my post, but I don't have any easy options either. I'm not someone who minces his words so that he can be known as an affable person.
Who doesn't love the sound of his own voice? I'm not so self effacing to say that I don't love the sound of my own voice. And coming to my post I'm eagerly waiting to see you write a brilliant counter reply which can clearly elucidate as to why my post is a horrible one.
..Apology accepted ...
..See , you are affable ...don't sell yourself short ..

Muslims "do" hold to reason and logic , in as much as it leads one to believe in the certainty of God ..

..But, once God is a given and Islam is the chosen path towards Him , that is where reason and logic ...END ..

There are no deep thinkers no doctors of the faith , no one to plumb the depths ...In Islam ..

I'm pretty sure you know this ,("MUQ" knows it too)...I felt that your verbiage was just that ...meant to confuse poor "MUQ" ...while in the post itself "no" question was posited ...

NB..Why'd you have to call "me" a Bible wielding creationist .....that kinda hurt my feelings ...I HAVE A NAME..!!!
Jury Judge n Executioner

Anonymous Proxy

#42774 May 19, 2013
number four wrote:
<quoted text>..What a horrible post .."Dragnet52"..Do you love the sound, of your own voice ...?
WHAT A ROYAL SLAP ON THIS BROWN TROLL'S FACE? WOW WOW WOW WOW ! WHAT A WELL DESERVED KICK IN HIS GROIN ? HIS ATTEMPT HAS BEEN TO GET SOME KIND OF RECOGNITION AND WHAT DOES HE GET ? A WELL DESERVED RESPONSE FROM THE MAN WHO MATTERS HERE THE MOST1 Even King Solomon could not have adjudicated more wisely!
The Judge

Anonymous Proxy

#42775 May 19, 2013
number four wrote:
<quoted text>
...I felt that your verbiage was just that ...
brilliant and succinct ! You have hit the nail at the right place sealing this troll's fate ! The word "verbiage" explains everything about his post. Every reader gets the same message - where the "f" is the need for writing a post that uses too many words or excessively technical expressions ????? Do you remember he was being taunted very often by imi2000 for using thesaurus? well...you have simply said it more accurately ! oh n°4 !
number four wrote:
<quoted text>
NB..Why'd you have to call "me" a Bible wielding creationist .....that kinda hurt my feelings ...I HAVE A NAME..!!!
hah hah hah hah...this is a typical response from the botch when you step on her tail. Mind you, she is wounded now and she will get back at you as and when she can. You have literally ruined her scenario.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#42776 May 19, 2013
Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum,(THE SEALED NECTAR, Biography of the Noble Prophet [pbuh], by SAFI UL RAHMAN al-Mubarakpuri
Jamia Salafia - India Translated by Issam Diab Maktaba Dar-us-Salam Publishers and Distributors, Part- 109 A
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/SM_t...
The Delegations (Contd.)

4. Sudâ’ Delegation:
The arrival of this delegation was after the departure of the Messenger of Allah [pbuh] from Al-Ji‘ranah in the eighth year of Al-Hijra. It was because the Messenger of Allah [pbuh] had already dispatched a mission that comprised four hundred Muslims and asked them to go to where Sudâ’ was. Sudâ’ was (a fresh-water fountain) in Yemen. While the mission was camping there at the starting point of a canal. Ziyad bin Al-Harith As-Sudâ’i learned of their stay, so he came to the Messenger of Allah [pbuh] and said:

"I have come to you as a deputy of my people, so tell your army to go back and I guarantee of my people." The army were sent away off the canal. In his turn As-Sudâ’i went back, cherished and urged his people to come and meet the Messenger of Allah [pbuh]. Eventually fifteen of them came and pledged allegiance to him as true Muslims. Returning home, they in their turn, urged the rest to be Muslims. Thus Islam spread among them. Later on, a hundred men joined the Messenger of Allah [pbuh] in Hajjatul-Wada‘(Farewell Pilgrimage.)

The arrival of Ka‘b bin Zuhair bin Abi Sulma:

Ka‘b who was a member of a family of poets, was considered one of the most poetic Arab poets. He used to satirize the Prophet [pbuh] when he wasn’t a Muslim. In the eighth year of Al-Hijra and at the time that the Messenger of Allah [pbuh] had already gone back from At-Ta’if Campaign , Bujair bin Zuhair wrote a letter to his brother Ka‘b warning and advising him: "The Messenger of Allah ([pbuh]) had killed some men in Makkah who used to satirize and harm him, and that the other poets who had survived fled in all directions for their lives. So if you want to save your skin, hasten to the Messenger of Allah [pbuh].

He never kills those who resort to him as repentant. If you refuse to do as I tell, it is up to you to try to save your skin by any means." The two brothers corresponded with one another for a long time till Ka‘b was awkward and felt as if the earth had constrained on him. Arriving in Madinah, he stayed at a man’s house from Juhainah as a guest. They performed the dawn prayer together; but when he was about to leave, the man suggested that he go to the Messenger of Allah [pbuh]. He went there, sat by him, put his hand in his.

The Messenger of Allah [pbuh] who had never seen Ka‘b before, did not recognize him. Ka‘b then said: "O, Messenger of Allah! Ka‘b bin Zuhair has come to you as a repentant Muslim; will he be secure and forgiven if I fetch him?" The Messenger of Allah [pbuh] said, "Yes." "I am Ka‘b bin Zuhair," said he. Upon hearing that one of the Helpers rose to his feet and asked the Messenger’s allowance to cut his throat. "Leave him alone!" Said the Prophet [pbuh], "He has become a repentant Muslim after his disposal of the past."

Ka‘b then recited his well-known poem "Su‘ad appeared..." in which he praised the Prophet [pbuh], thanked him and apologized for the wrongs he had done. He acknowledged Muhammad’s mission...

1.‘Udharah Delegation:

This delegation which consisted of twelve men, had arrived in Madinah in Safar, the ninth year of Al-Hijra. They spent three days there. One of them was Hamza bin An-Nu‘man.

We have relatives and kinspeople." So the Messenger of Allah [pbuh] welcomed them and gave good tidings to them, which was Ash-Sham Conquest; but he, on the other hand, forbade them from consulting a soothsayer and from eating the slain animals they slaughtered. Eventually they became Muslims, stayed there for several days then went back.

Abridged
(Contd.)





MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#42777 May 19, 2013
Why WTC Towers Collapsed?… Thermite Materials found in WTC Dust Part-2

INTRODUCTION

The destruction of three skyscrapers (WTC 1, 2 and 7) on September 11, 2001 was an immensely tragic catastrophe that not only impacted thousands of people and families directly, due to injury and loss of life, but also provided the motivation for numerous expensive and radical changes in domestic and foreign policy. For these and other reasons, knowing what really happened that fateful day is of grave importance.

A great deal of effort has been put forth by various government- sponsored and -funded investigations, which led, in large part, to the reports released by FEMA [1] and NIST [2]. Other studies of the destruction have been less well publicized but are no less important to the outstanding obligation that remains to the victims of that tragedy, to determine the whole truth of the events of that day [3-10].

A number of these studies have appropriately focused attention on the remaining physical material, and on available photographs and video footage, as sources of evidence still in public hands, relating to the method of destruction of the three skyscrapers.

The collapses of the three tallest WTC buildings were remarkable for their completeness, their near free-fall speed [11] their striking radial symmetry [1, 12] and the surprisingly large volume of fine toxic dust [13] that was generated.

In order to better understand these features of the destruction, the authors initiated an examination of this dust. In June 2007, Dr. Steven Jones observed distinctive bi-layered chips, with both a red and a gray layer, in a sample of the WTC dust. Initially, it was suspected these might be dried paint chips, but after closer inspection and testing, it was shown that this was not the case. Further testing was then performed on the red/gray chips in an attempt to ascertain their composition and properties. The authors also obtained and examined additional samples of WTC dust which had been collected by independent observers on, or very soon after, 9/11.

All of the samples examined contained these very small, peculiar red/gray chips. Previous studies discussing observations of the WTC dust include reports by the RJ Lee Company [14], the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS)[15], McGee et al.[13] and Lioy et al.[16] Some of these studies confirmed the finding of iron-rich micro-spheres, which are also peculiar [5, 8, 11, 13-15] but the red/gray chips analyzed in this study have apparently not been discussed in previously published reports. It is worth emphasizing that one sample was collected about ten minutes after the collapse of the second Towers, so it cannot possibly have been contaminated by clean-up operations [17].

1. http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2...
[2] Sunder S, Grosshandler W, Lew HS, et al. Final report on the collapse of the World Trade Center Towerss, NIST NCSTAR. National Institute of Standards and Technology: Gaithersburg, MD 2005.
3. http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200...
11. http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php...
12. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/coll...
13. http://www.ehponline.org/members/2003/5930/59...
14. http://www.nyenvirolaw.org/WTC/130%20Liberty%...
15. http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2005/1165/508OF05-116...
16. http://www.ehponline.org/members/2002/110p703...
17. http://video.google.com/videoplay...

Contd. http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php...

Since: Sep 11

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#42778 May 19, 2013
number four wrote:
<quoted text>..Apology accepted ...
..See , you are affable ...don't sell yourself short ..
Muslims "do" hold to reason and logic , in as much as it leads one to believe in the certainty of God ..
..But, once God is a given and Islam is the chosen path towards Him , that is where reason and logic ...END ..
There are no deep thinkers no doctors of the faith , no one to plumb the depths ...In Islam ..
I'm pretty sure you know this ,("MUQ" knows it too)...I felt that your verbiage was just that ...meant to confuse poor "MUQ" ...while in the post itself "no" question was posited ...
NB..Why'd you have to call "me" a Bible wielding creationist .....that kinda hurt my feelings ...I HAVE A NAME..!!!
You could be right about that. Muslims are not particularly known for plumbing the depths. But then as I said before I approach my subject with all the sincerity at my disposal. I cannot take a shallow but popular approach so that it appeals to the lowest common denominator. Discussions of this nature sometimes tend to be dense because you have to explain abstract concepts. You called my post verbiage which in a way signifies that you have not read any philosophical treatises apart from your Bible. For that matter it seems that you have not read any of the classic novels also where the language is similarly dense.

Just after your post the resident troll of this forum, IMI2000 appeared to express his elation. I would have left it as a case of "whatever floats his boat." But I wanted to say something since it is pertinent to our discussion. Trolls like him belong to what I call the lowest common denominator mass of humanity. It is this common denominator mass of humanity which contributes to the mob effect. Even a highly intelligent individual who is law abiding loses his individuality and sense of ethics when he becomes a part of the mob. The mob effect created by trolls like IMI2000 dumbs down all uniqueness, intelligence and initiative. This troll for long has been groaning about the fact that life is unfair since it creates individuals with vast disparities in talent, education and achievement. Who would not if he was in the troll's place dealing with someone like me.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#42780 May 19, 2013
Murugan wrote:
MUQ,

Humbly I ask some questions to your logical and truthful self.

1. What is logical about circumcision in Islam? Did angel Gabril whisper in Mohammad's ear that Allah wanted all his male followers to get their tools snipped?

2. Did Mohammad get circumcised as an adult. Who circumcised him? Or did he circumcise himself?

3. If Mohammed was circumcised at birth, then was he born Jewish since only Jews did tool snipping?

4. Did most of Mohammad's male followers also got circumcised at different ages after accepting Islam? Who circumcised them Saar?

5. Does Koran specifically give a reason for males to get circumcised?

6. Saar, according to you "millions" of people across the world are converting to Islam every day. Does that mean millions of males are getting their tools snipped everyday to please Allah?

7. Can you be a good Muslim without getting your tool mutilated?

MUQ Saar, I humbly request of you to provide logical and truthful answers to these questions.

Murlidharan Murugan
Ans.

Here are short answers for what you asked Brother Murugan.

There is a lot of sarcasm in your post, which I ignore, because this is the first time we are discussing with each other.

I hope that you would leave out sarcastic words when you reply to my post.

1. What is logical about circumcision in Islam? Did angel Gabril whisper in Mohammad's ear that Allah wanted all his male followers to get their tools snipped?

MUQ: From what we know, Circumcision is a hygienic practice, by which the foreskin of male member is removed once the child is born.

The foreskin is needed during per-natal and pre-birth stages, but does not serve any purpose afterwards.

I do not know the exact date when it started, but study of Bible tells us, that it was God's Command to prophet Abraham to circumcise himself and all his family members.

This became common practice amongst the descendents of Abraham and his followers.

Since Arabs also originate from Abraham, so they were circumcised, even before our prophet was born.

Since our prophet continued to follow every good practices of his people, when he got the mission, circumcision is also a "very desirable" thing to do.

But it is not a Dogma in Islam as it is made in Judaism and Christianity.

2. Did Mohammad get circumcised as an adult. Who circumcised him? Or did he circumcise himself?

MUQ:

We have no info, who circumcised our prophet.

It might have been done at very early stage as was the custom amongst Arabs.

Our prophet was born like any other human child, so there was no "magical event" at the time of his birth.

3. If Mohammed was circumcised at birth, then was he born Jewish since only Jews did tool snipping?

MUIQ:

As I told you, there is no "reliable" info that our prophet was born "pre-circumcised", some people say that because of reverence and not based on any knowledge.

This is not a dogma issue.

You are wrong to say that "Only Jews" followed the practice of Circumcision. All descendents of Prophet Abraham followed this practice and Arabs, did it much before the birth of our prophet.

4. Did most of Mohammad's male followers also got circumcised at different ages after accepting Islam? Who circumcised them Saar?

MUQ:

Since "most" of initial followers of our prophet were Arabs, they were all circumcised. There was no "grown up males" to get circumcised.

As for new converts to Islam I do not know that getting circumcised was a "pre-condition" for them to become Muslim.

It is only a recommended practice in Islam to get it done for the benefits it does to humans.

Contd.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#42781 May 19, 2013
5. Does Koran specifically give a reason for males to get circumcised?

MUQ:

There is no mention of Circumcision in Quran to the best of my knowledge.

Quran speaks about the basics and fundamental issues and getting circumcised is not a fundamental issue in Islam.

6. Saar, according to you "millions" of people across the world are converting to Islam every day. Does that mean millions of males are getting their tools snipped everyday to please Allah?

MUQ:

I did not say that every day "millions" of people are accepting Islam (Even though I wish it was so), I said that there is no day passed unless people enter into house of Islam.

As I told you it is not a "must" for new entrants to get circumcised, if they want they could do it.

But this is a good practice and way of our prophet, and good for our health,

7. Can you be a good Muslim without getting your tool mutilated?

MUQ:

As I told you, it is not a must for any Muslim.

But if some one does not do it and does not want to do it for their new born children, then it seems he "hates" this practice and if you "hate" some thing which our prophet recommended, you are certainly not a good Muslim.

A Muslim, must respect teachings and action of our prophet, the name Muslim means "Surrender"

8. MUQ Saar, I humbly request of you to provide logical and truthful answers to these questions.

MUQ:

I have provided truthful answers to your questions.

And if you are very much concerned about "integrity of your male member" and this is the ONLY thing preventing you from accepting islam, then my advice to you is, you can be "complete in body" and still be a Muslim, provided you do not make fun of people doing it.

May Allah guide you to follow true path.

Allah Knows Best.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#42782 May 19, 2013
Dragnet wrote:
MUQ, nothing makes me more happier than when you swear by logic and reason. And then again, I'm always a votary of civilized discussions. It's always a creative challenge for me as to how to write a hard hitting post without sounding rude. So you can rest assured that you will not catch me on the wrong foot on that front.

I was making a general statement when I said that there can be contrary opinions about the issue of creator. Right now I don't want to resort to polemics by bringing in my own personal ideas about creator. All I want to say is that our approach to questions regarding universe and its origin, the teleological argument for the existence of God originate and operate within a particular paradigm. A paradigm is like a working model which satisfactorily explains a certain phenomena from the start to the end.

But just because a working model is a satisfactory explanation of a certain phenomena, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is the absolute representation of truth. A working model can become dysfunctional if it cannot harmonize any new parameters or variables brought into the system.

Creation and creator model, where the two are separate, also operates within a certain paradigm. There is another paradigm about original substance and the forms of that original substance, for example clay and the forms made out of clay. If you a ask a quantum physicist as to who created this world he would give the answer as quantum field. Similarly a taoist would say that this whole universe is a dream dreamt by God. So it all depends on which paradigm your mind operates in. Each of these paradigms can give you a successful working model to explain our universe.
Ans.

Thank you for your civil response.

So we will first sort out this issue of Creator first before we go any further.

Do not confuse the issue with what one group says and what another group says.

When we see this vast universe before us, the basic question is, was it created or not?

What our gathered knowledge says on this?

PS:

Your answer that a Quantum Physicist would say Quantum Field created this universe is in complete.

It is only a description of process, the question would be who created this Quantum Field.

So either this Universe created itself, or it just came by chance, or there was a Creator.

We have to discuss this and decide before we move further.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#42783 May 20, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
Thank you for your civil response.
So we will first sort out this issue of Creator first before we go any further.
Do not confuse the issue with what one group says and what another group says.
When we see this vast universe before us, the basic question is, was it created or not?
What our gathered knowledge says on this?
PS:
Your answer that a Quantum Physicist would say Quantum Field created this universe is in complete.
It is only a description of process, the question would be who created this Quantum Field.
So either this Universe created itself, or it just came by chance, or there was a Creator.
We have to discuss this and decide before we move further.
Okay, let's start straightaway. I don't claim to know the right answers, but what I will aim to do is to ask the right questions. Questions will be of a provocative nature so that they can elicit the right answers.

My first question is, is God a convenient original cause to explain the origin of our universe?

Second question is, if God is eternal and self born then why can't those same attributes be attested to the universe. Here the quantum field of the physicist can be considered as the original cause having created itself. If you ask the question as to who created the quantum field, then a similar question can be asked about who created God or how God came into existence.
Pskak

Delhi, India

#42784 May 20, 2013
MUQ
Since Arabs also originate from Abraham, so they were circumcised, even before our prophet was born.
u are wrong to say that "Only Jews" followed the practice of Circumcision. All descendents of Prophet Abraham followed this practice and Arabs, did it much before the birth of our prophet.

Pskak
Most of arab didn't know about abraham before muhammad start mentioning him.
This is a historical fact.so practice of circumcision from the time of abraham is simply out of question..

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#42785 May 20, 2013
Dragnet52 wrote:
<quoted text>Okay, let's start straightaway. I don't claim to know the right answers, but what I will aim to do is to ask the right questions. Questions will be of a provocative nature so that they can elicit the right answers.
My first question is, is God a convenient original cause to explain the origin of our universe?
Second question is, if God is eternal and self born then why can't those same attributes be attested to the universe. Here the quantum field of the physicist can be considered as the original cause having created itself. If you ask the question as to who created the quantum field, then a similar question can be asked about who created God or how God came into existence.
..GOOD HEAVENS...!!!..Is there a right and wrong ...is it subjective or objective ..???

...(example)..Who is the better man Gandhi or Stalin ..??

God has "ALWAYS" existed ..our minds are just to limited to understand eternity/infinity ...

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#42786 May 20, 2013
Dragnet52 wrote:
<quoted text>You could be right about that. Muslims are not particularly known for plumbing the depths. But then as I said before I approach my subject with all the sincerity at my disposal. I cannot take a shallow but popular approach so that it appeals to the lowest common denominator. Discussions of this nature sometimes tend to be dense because you have to explain abstract concepts. You called my post verbiage which in a way signifies that you have not read any philosophical treatises apart from your Bible. For that matter it seems that you have not read any of the classic novels also where the language is similarly dense.
Just after your post the resident troll of this forum, IMI2000 appeared to express his elation. I would have left it as a case of "whatever floats his boat." But I wanted to say something since it is pertinent to our discussion. Trolls like him belong to what I call the lowest common denominator mass of humanity. It is this common denominator mass of humanity which contributes to the mob effect. Even a highly intelligent individual who is law abiding loses his individuality and sense of ethics when he becomes a part of the mob. The mob effect created by trolls like IMI2000 dumbs down all uniqueness, intelligence and initiative. This troll for long has been groaning about the fact that life is unfair since it creates individuals with vast disparities in talent, education and achievement. Who would not if he was in the troll's place dealing with someone like me.
..why..??.."Dragnet52 "...why must you describe yourself as highly intelligent .....?

are you familiar with baseball ...one of the greats ..said..

.."If you have talent ...you don't 'have' to tell anybody.."..

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#42788 May 20, 2013
Jury Judge n Executioner wrote:
<quoted text>
WHAT A ROYAL SLAP ON THIS BROWN TROLL'S FACE? WOW WOW WOW WOW ! WHAT A WELL DESERVED KICK IN HIS GROIN ? HIS ATTEMPT HAS BEEN TO GET SOME KIND OF RECOGNITION AND WHAT DOES HE GET ? A WELL DESERVED RESPONSE FROM THE MAN WHO MATTERS HERE THE MOST1 Even King Solomon could not have adjudicated more wisely!
...thank-you ....I didn't know, I was so susceptible to flattery ......I LIKE IT ...!!!!

“Piss the Queen off Our coins!”

Since: Nov 11

Adelaide

#42793 May 20, 2013
The western world should just nuke the middle east.. would solve a lot of problems.
Coco Chanel

France

#42794 May 20, 2013
number four wrote:
<quoted text>...thank-you ....I didn't know, I was so susceptible to flattery ......I LIKE IT ...!!!!
After all the high talk of morals and remaining on ground has collapsed and we can see a cheapskate who is obviously not in to destitute but can easily afford a nice shirt but feels proud of himself for being closely related to douche bags hence buys a cheap low quality tunique.....LMAOLOLROFLHAHAHAH A
Sword of Allah

Alexandria, VA

#42795 May 20, 2013
number four wrote:
<quoted text>...thank-you ....I didn't know, I was so susceptible to flattery ......I LIKE IT ...!!!!
The Rewards for Justice Program has been effective. Since the inception of the Rewards for Justice program in 1984, the United States has paid more than $100 million to over 70 people who provided credible information that put terrorists behind bars or prevented acts of international terrorism worldwide. The program played a significant role in the arrest of international terrorist Ramzi Yousef, who was convicted in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. Today, the Rewards for Justice Program plays a critical role in the 2014 Afghanistan Transition Plan.

People with information on any past or planned act of international terrorism against the United States anywhere in the world are urged to contact the the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the U.S. military, or Rewards for Justice. Rewards for Justice can be contacted directly via any one of the following avenues:


Internet:
www.rewardsforjustice.net

Email:
RFJ@state.gov

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