No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf

There are 54489 comments on the Daily Times story from Jan 11, 2011, titled No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf. In it, Daily Times reports that:

'Even minorities living in Pakistan cannot blaspheme against the holy Prophet , hence I appeal to religious leaders of every shade of religious persuasion to stop their demonstrations after clear assurances from Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani that no amendment is being made in the blasphemy law,' Altaf said while talking to an assembly of MQM ...

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MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37645 Feb 15, 2013
DAKO wrote:
01. Your post which is a sheer affront to human intelligence has forced me to interject myself in your discussion with Observer. You make it sound as if muslims have unlimited freedom to debate, contemplate or speculate on the theological niceties of Islam. You make it sound that the lack of corrections or amendments to Koran is due to scholars not finding any flaws and arriving at a consensus about the correctness of Koran after marathon debates and discussions.

02. MUQ, how much more conceited you can become. Doesn't the second sura in the Koran begins by saying, "this book is not to be doubted." As if this was not ominous enough, Koran is littered with verses prohibiting muslims to stray from the so called revelations of Koran, prohibiting muslims to carry out any critical analysis of Mohammad and his times. Failing to do so comes with its own package of serious implications for those who are not discreet enough in their criticism of Koran or Mohammad.

03. MUQ, do you seriously think that any muslim would attempt to carry out a critical study of Koran or Mohammad, forget about bringing amendments to Koran, when the swords of shirk, blasphemy, apostasy are hanging above his head?

04. I will just give you a modern day analogy to show you how ridiculous the claim of Koran is when it asks its followers not to doubt it. Would you purchase a life saving medicine just on the basis of claims made by its manufacturer? Wouldn't it be more credible if that pharmaceutical product was certified by independent body of experts like FDA?
Ans.

01. I do not know what was in my post that so agitated you that you could not control yourself and put on a “juicy rejoinder”.

I think you people are so much suffering with “inferiority complex” about Quran and Prophet of Islam, that none of your post is complete untill you add hundreds of words criticizing it.

You put conditions on Islam which no one ever puts on any other religions. Which religions in the world is based on “every one of its followers” having fully understood each line of its scripture and analyzing each and every one its directives?

It is for scholars on Islam to analyze and proof to any one that Islamic teachings are correct and reasonable and logical. Not each and every Muslim.

02. Quran does start with a claim “That this The Book, in which there is no doubt”….and this claim is justified by “challenging whole human kind to bring a book like it”.

So it is a claim along with the proof. If humans are unable to bring any thing like Quran (I already explained how a small chapter like 112 and its outstanding contribution).

Muslims believe in Quran and accept Prophet Mohammad as their prophet, for those who are Non Muslim, it is our duty to propagate them the message of Islam.

Now it is left to individuals to accept it or not. They have to be answerable to their Creator in the hereafter about the choice they made.

03. There is no Sword hanging on your head, you prove to me that Quranic teachings are wrong and unreasonable and harmful to development of human civilization.

04. If you want to buy a medicine after trying it, then I thing either you will not buy any medicine or will be dead before you buy anything.

You look at the label, the contents, the manufacturer and see how it affected other people.

In Islam you have all positive ingredients!!

It is from God Al Mighty, There is No Doubt in it and it brought a nomad people of Arabia into the World rulers in mere 30 odd years.

What else proves you need?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37647 Feb 15, 2013
Dabang wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice post
Thank you for appreciation. Look what "Others" thought about the same verse.

The problem is not in the verse but in the mindset. Some people are molded like "If it is in Quran, it HAS to be false and we will NEVER appreciate it".

Since there is kink and blackness in their hearts, they see every thing black.

If you are of unbiased mind, you will appreciate, where you see the truth.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37648 Feb 15, 2013
Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum,(THE SEALED NECTAR, Biography of the Noble Prophet [pbuh], by SAFI UL RAHMAN al-Mubarakpuri
Jamia Salafia - India Translated by Issam Diab Maktaba Dar-us-Salam Publishers and Distributors, Part- 67
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/SM_t...

The Battle of Uhud (Contd.)

The Most Awkward Hour in the Messenger’s Life
After the fall of Ibn Sakan, the Messenger of Allah [pbuh] remained alone with only those two Quraishites. In a version by Abu ‘Uthman — authorized in As-Sahihain— he said: "At that time, there were none with the Prophet [pbuh] except Talha bin ‘Ubaidullâh and Sa‘d bin Abi Waqqas.[Sahih Al-Bukhari 1/527, 2/581] That was the most awkward and dangerous hour for the Prophet [pbuh], but it was a golden opportunity for the idolaters who promptly took advantage of it. They concentrated their attack on the Prophet [pbuh] and looked forward to killing him….

At-Tabarani states that the Prophet [pbuh] said: "Allah’s Wrath is great on those who besmear the face of His Messenger," observed silence for a short while and then resumed saying:
"O Allah, forgive my people for they have no knowledge." [Fath Al-Bari 7/373]
In Sahih Muslim it is stated that the Messenger of Allah [pbuh] said:
"My Lord, forgive my people for they have no knowledge." [Sahih Muslim 2/108]
In Ash-Shifa — a book by ‘Ayad Al-Qadi — it is related that the Prophet [pbuh] said:
"O Allah, guide my people for they have no knowledge." [Ash-Shifa 1/81]..

In a version by ‘Aishah [R] recorded in Ibn Hibban’s Sahih, she narrated that Abu Bakr had said:

When it was Uhud Day and at the time that the Prophet [pbuh] was left behind, I was the first to go back and see him. Before him I saw a man fighting to shield him from the enemies. I said to myself:‘I wish he were Talha. Let my father and mother be sacrificed for you.(O Allah) Let him be Talha! Let my parents be sacrificed for you!’ On the way, I was overtaken by Abu ‘Ubaidah bin Al-Jarrah, who was then moving as swiftly as a bird.

We both rushed to dress the Prophet [pbuh]’s wounds. There we found Talha suffering from serious wounds before the Messenger of Allah [pbuh]. The Prophet [pbuh] said:‘See to your brother. His deed entitled him for an abode in Paradise.’ I noticed that two rings of the iron-ringed helmet had penetrated his cheek. So I set out to take them out; but Abu ‘Ubaidah demanded:‘By Allah, O Abu Bakr — I beseech you, let me do it myself.’ Fearing to hurt the Prophet [pbuh] he started pulling one of the two rings out very slowly and carefully with his mouth. Then he pulled the arrow out by his mouth, too. Consequently, his front tooth fell.

Then I proceeded to pull the second out; but Abu ‘Ubaidah besought me to leave it:‘O, Abu Bakr, I adjure you by Allah to let me do it.’ He pulled the second ring very slowly and carefully with his mouth — till it came out. The Messenger of Allah [pbuh] said:‘See to your brother. He has proved to be worthy of being housed in Paradise.’ We approached Talha to cure him but found out that he had had some ten sword-strokes in his body.[Za'd Al-Ma'ad 2/95](This showed how efficiently Talha had fought and struggled on that day)."…

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#37653 Feb 15, 2013
Dabang wrote:
IMI fu*** his sister as ordered by Allah. He is a follower of katlu Moahammad.
chup be chump change...darr darr ki thokren kha raha hei! honestly, tere jaisee kisi ki nahin chudi.
Dabang

Ashburn, VA

#37654 Feb 15, 2013
Owaisi got bail,wohowoho..Ma chod do hinduo ki

Since: Jan 08

San Mateo, CA

#37655 Feb 15, 2013
What does PBUH mean, Put Butter Under Ham?

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#37656 Feb 15, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for appreciation. Look what "Others" thought about the same verse.
The problem is not in the verse but in the mindset. Some people are molded like "If it is in Quran, it HAS to be false and we will NEVER appreciate it".
Since there is kink and blackness in their hearts, they see every thing black.
If you are of unbiased mind, you will appreciate, where you see the truth.
OK MUQ, here is the truth.
Do you have a unbiased mind?

The one God Muslims claim to be the true God that created the world is a false god.
Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad's day. Prof. Coon goes on to say, "Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being."

This fact answers the questions, "Why is Allah never defined in the Qur'an? Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?" Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god.

In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the Moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is to accept that the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods." This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not, "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest," i.e., he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the "greatest" except in a polytheistic context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser. That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. This "Allah" was the Moon-god according to the archeological evidence. Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the Moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians, he said that Allah was their God too. But both the Jews and the Christians knew better and that is why they rejected his god Allah as a false god.
Dabang

Kolkata, India

#37657 Feb 15, 2013
SaIIy wrote:
<quoted text>
Lightening Sally hits so hard
Chump Change the drag, he looks retard
Grandest shitter of all the time
Sally the master looks sublime
Incomparable and best of all
Sally hits for anal cap rupture
Grandest is Sally's game
Hardest hitter got best of fame
Cmpare not Chump Change, can't compare
Sally is most we care
Sally is the star they talk
Best in world, he is a Chodu Champ
Sally knows that grand his name
Makes Chump Change pale with shame
Sally is on all fans lips
Sally's footprint is what they kiss
Topix got its grandest story
And Sally gave the glory
Love your hard hitting posts
Sally makes us all feel high
GAYYYYYYYYYYYY HIND !
Teri ammi ki chut me mere kutte ka moot

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#37658 Feb 15, 2013
HAJI KAJI wrote:
I doubt if Babur ever come to India ...with any Army.
After all Baburnama is written by him- wou tou kuchch bhi lkh sakta haey (like you say about Chandra Ji). I have a theory that Babur never came to India....he died taking a shot while potting ganja and whring in Kandahar. And like Don ...
Muslims never ruled !
<quoted text>
LOL ! Nice analogy. Like Muq ko logic mein koi defeat nahin kar sakta, tum ko imagination mein wohi status hei !(((((((((Applause))))))))))

Heard of Russell Peters? The racist comedian ? He is best known for making jokes on Indians, Asians and Blacks! Yesterday, I saw a new clip by him and remembered you.

He says that India doesn't have homeless problem but some western countries like great Britain and USA have it. How come? LOL ! Then he explained - He said the homeless problem exists in UK and USA as there was a time when these people had homes and due to circumstances, they have lost it now so they are termed as Homeless but in the case of Indians - majority of them have never had a home and they have the same status even today. He asked a man on the footpath " hey, where were you born" ? The homeless replied pointing towards a spot on footpath " right here" then Russell asked him " where was your father born" He points to a place about 10 mtrs away " there" and then he showed a spot on the sidewalk someplace for his grandfather. He said his cousins, brothers sisters were all born here and there within one kilometer ........! It was very surreal as this is the impression you even get today whenever you see most of the Indians.

I do have a very low opinion of India and Indians and unfortunately I happen to be an Indian so in a way it is not a good thing to do. But it is not something I do willingly but this feeling has come due to my experience and facing them in some walk of my life - almost daily. There is no doubt that you are an intelligent humorous lad we have from India but such a feat is not often repeated despite of the fact that we are one billion plus "essholes" ! If linguistics were to decipher your writings and accent therein - they would definitely mention that Haji Kaji is a ranker (someone who who has risen from low ranks and is now a captain). There is no mistake that between your "junglipana" "jhuggi, lungi, madari" talk, one can sense an educated Indian who is doing well. Probably you are in China for monitoring supply chain of your business as your education is not meant for marketing purposes. And we all know that China is known for manufacturing goods - so your role is not hidden. So, this is how history is also written. You look at people of today and get in to reverse engineering and land up digging up their backgrounds. How far can the fallen fruit be from its tree?

For three four days I am increasingly getting busy on a project where I am working closely with India's Ministry of Human Resource Development - Department of Higher Education. Quite often I remember what Greg Chappell's summation of Indian culture was - "The Poms (British) taught them really well to keep their head down. For if someone was deemed to be responsible, they'd get punished. So the Indians have learned to avoid responsibility. So before taking responsibility for any decisions, they prefer not to"

The culture of India is such that, if you put your head above the parapet someone will shoot it. Knock your head off. So they learn to keep their head down and not take responsibility.

The (Indian) culture is not for the free, it's not a team culture. They lack leaders in the team because they are not trained to be leaders. From an early age, their parents make all the decisions, their schoolteachers make their decisions, their cricket coaches make the decisions.

No one in the government or educational institutes is willing to take a decision and that is a sign of deep rooted slavery that we all have gotten used to.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#37659 Feb 15, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism or "non religion" GOD should be the step for this "Dr Meena". I believe there is some other underlying reason such as a man in her life. We are not told the truth..I suspect.
Why don't you take people on their face values? Dr Meena says something about reading Geeta and then switching to Islam. Hema Mailini, another south Indian, became a Muslim to marry another Hindu turned Muslim Dharmendra (both BJP-Hindu party leaders). Both never confessed their religion change officially or even the marriage so we can presume that it was a momentary escape from Hinduism for worldly pleasures and both are back now fighting mandir and Masjid cause on the lines of Advani doctrine.
Dak-Original wrote:
<quoted text>
However, how come this self declared atheist,IM2000, come to post the propaganda clip for Islam, here? LOL>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>
There is not trash being dumped here so I only forwarded a clip I thought was important for you all.

I repeat - all religions are man made inventions to control the minds and bodies of the masses. No exceptions.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#37660 Feb 15, 2013
Dabang wrote:
<quoted text>
Teri ammi ki chut me mere kutte ka moot
Ma ke bhosdde, I have written some long posts today so take your pick, ma ke laudde chump change!
Chump Change

Danielson, CT

#37661 Feb 15, 2013
lMl2000 wrote:
<quoted text>
chup be chump change...darr darr ki thokren kha raha hei! honestly, tere jaisee kisi ki nahin chudi.
Beware! Chump Change is everywhere!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37662 Feb 15, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>OK MUQ, here is the truth.
Do you have a unbiased mind?
The one God Muslims claim to be the true God that created the world is a false god.
Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad's day. Prof. Coon goes on to say, "Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being."
This fact answers the questions, "Why is Allah never defined in the Qur'an? Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?" Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god.
In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the Moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is to accept that the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods." This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not, "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest," i.e., he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the "greatest" except in a polytheistic context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser. That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. This "Allah" was the Moon-god according to the archeological evidence. Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the Moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians, he said that Allah was their God too. But both the Jews and the Christians knew better and that is why they rejected his god Allah as a false god.
I am preparing a questionnaire about which God we Muslims believe in and which God you Jews and Christians believe in. It shall be Inshallah posted on the thread "Who is Allah" soon.

I ask you to wait and have passion for a while.

But off hand that it is idiotic to say that Allah is moongod, because in Quran itself we find:

"Do not prostrate to Sun or Moon, but prostate to Allah who created sun and moon"

That single verse is enough to shatter every one's claims who say that Allah is moongod.

But there are idiots at all times and in every times and there is no cure to solve the problems of idiots.

I do not know where you are permanent idiot or get temporary lapses into idiocy.
harminder

Mumbai, India

#37663 Feb 15, 2013
lMl2000 wrote:
<quoted text>

Heard of Russell Peters? The racist comedian ? He is best known for making jokes on Indians, Asians and Blacks! Yesterday, I saw a new clip by him and remembered you.
so you listen to racist comedians , bhaands and

shows ur aptitude and class. Zero ...typical of illiterate muslim inbred s
harminder

Mumbai, India

#37664 Feb 16, 2013
lMl2000 wrote:
<quoted text>

For three four days I am increasingly getting busy on a project where I am working closely with India's Ministry of Human Resource Development - Department of Higher Education.

No one in the government or educational institutes is willing to take a decision and that is a sign of deep rooted slavery that we all have gotten used to.
yea this government is trying its level best to educate brain dead inbred muslim filth.Everyone knows that.That "endeavour" WILL fail inspite of the huge amount of kick back riyals given by qatar shaikh al thani and his wife to kapil dhimmi sibal.(he has already pocketed more tham half)>That scandal will soon come out.
Chump Change

Danielson, CT

#37665 Feb 16, 2013
lMl2000 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ma ke bhosdde, I have written some long posts today so take your pick, ma ke laudde chump change!
Keep writing longer posts! A wella like you has too much time at his disposal!!! Anything new in your posts?
He he he he he
Tom

UK

#37666 Feb 16, 2013
lMl2000 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ma ke bhosdde, I have written some long posts today so take your pick, ma ke laudde chump change!
So one thing is certain and that is you are sally...otherwise why would you respond to dabang's post to sally. You muslims are really vulgar and foul mouthed people with crude manners and uncivilized jungli manners.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#37667 Feb 16, 2013
Tom wrote:
<quoted text>So one thing is certain and that is you are sally...otherwise why would you respond to dabang's post to sally. You muslims are really vulgar and foul mouthed people with crude manners and uncivilized jungli manners.
chump change, you keep abusing me every now and then so I have no rules for you. jahan dikhega, gaand pe laat maroonga ! Samjha kya, choot chamaar? Chal fut yahan se, bhangi !

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#37668 Feb 16, 2013
Haji Kaji,

Do allow me sometime to answer your mails as and when I have time but for now let me tell you all as to how I imagine you all if I was to place you based on the faces from Bollywood.

a) Dak original - http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3456349440/nm0451...

b) Chuy - http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pUiZq3SBsfg/UBJrxp5...

c) MUQ -
in the role of nana.

d) HC - http://www.santabanta.com/bollywood/30468/adm...

e) Haji Kaji - http://www.timescontent.com/tss/showcase/prev...

f) Laudoo Yaudhya - http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2...

g) voice of India - http://wassupbollywood.blogspot.de/2012/08/ra...

h) Sally -
http://bollywood-updates.net/wp-content/uploa...

i) steady friend (freind)- http://www.bollywoodworld.com/wp-content/uplo...

j) Harminder
http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/stor...

k) chump change -
http://www.pinkvilla.com/files/images/rajpaly...

Have fun

imi
Tom

UK

#37669 Feb 16, 2013
lMl2000 wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL ! Nice analogy. Like Muq ko logic mein koi defeat nahin kar sakta, tum ko imagination mein wohi status hei !(((((((((Applause))))))))))
Heard of Russell Peters? The racist comedian ? He is best known for making jokes on Indians, Asians and Blacks! Yesterday, I saw a new clip by him and remembered you.
He says that India doesn't have homeless problem but some western countries like great Britain and USA have it. How come? LOL ! Then he explained - He said the homeless problem exists in UK and USA as there was a time when these people had homes and due to circumstances, they have lost it now so they are termed as Homeless but in the case of Indians - majority of them have never had a home and they have the same status even today. He asked a man on the footpath " hey, where were you born" ? The homeless replied pointing towards a spot on footpath " right here" then Russell asked him " where was your father born" He points to a place about 10 mtrs away " there" and then he showed a spot on the sidewalk someplace for his grandfather. He said his cousins, brothers sisters were all born here and there within one kilometer ........! It was very surreal as this is the impression you even get today whenever you see most of the Indians.
I do have a very low opinion of India and Indians and unfortunately I happen to be an Indian so in a way it is not a good thing to do. But it is not something I do willingly but this feeling has come due to my experience and facing them in some walk of my life - almost daily. There is no doubt that you are an intelligent humorous lad we have from India but such a feat is not often repeated despite of the fact that we are one billion plus "essholes" ! If linguistics were to decipher your writings and accent therein - they would definitely mention that Haji Kaji is a ranker (someone who who has risen from low ranks and is now a captain). There is no mistake that between your "junglipana" "jhuggi, lungi, madari" talk, one can sense an educated Indian who is doing well. Probably you are in China for monitoring supply chain of your business as your education is not meant for marketing purposes. And we all know that China is known for manufacturing goods - so your role is not hidden. So, this is how history is also written. You look at people of today and get in to reverse engineering and land up digging up their backgrounds. How far can the fallen fruit be from its tree?
For three four days I am increasingly getting busy on a project where I am working closely with India's Ministry of Human Resource Development - Department of Higher Education. Quite often I remember what Greg Chappell's summation of Indian culture was - "The Poms (British) taught them really well to keep their head down. For if someone was deemed to be responsible, they'd get punished. So the Indians have learned to avoid responsibility. So before taking responsibility for any decisions, they prefer not to"
The culture of India is such that, if you put your head above the parapet someone will shoot it. Knock your head off. So they learn to keep their head down and not take responsibility.
Do you take such comedians seriously?? They have to make a living and the only way they can do is to make fun of their own ethnic groups. He wouldn't dare to make fun of other groups for that would not be found funny by other groups.

But we had comedians making fun of poms, yanks, jews, muslims, the pope, the american president, you name it the whole range. Indians are amongst the most successful immigrant groups in UK and US and they don't indulge in crimes like the London blasts which muslims did. And remember the yankees were also ruled by the Brits and now they are doing quite well for themselves.

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