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No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf

There are 54741 comments on the Daily Times story from Jan 11, 2011, titled No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf. In it, Daily Times reports that:

'Even minorities living in Pakistan cannot blaspheme against the holy Prophet , hence I appeal to religious leaders of every shade of religious persuasion to stop their demonstrations after clear assurances from Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani that no amendment is being made in the blasphemy law,' Altaf said while talking to an assembly of MQM ...

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Deedat

Mumbai, India

#32536 Dec 8, 2012
lMl2000 wrote:
The posters should notice that Clernentia is someone not worth talking to. No one would even give her a second glance to what he/she writes so no one talks to her / him except one person? You would notice that Deedat and Clernentia appear almost immediately one afer another and engage in talking to each other. Why? It is only because both are one. They have always been appearing since the inception of the latest one. As Judge Katju said, 90% of Indians are idiots - so there ...!
Babes ..everything is arranged….where you wanna have that operation…..btw do you think that all the posters and readers are inbred??? Also why your clementia avatar is having some difficulty….grow up as someone on this thread said you should grow up…. Don’t get rattled up what me and Qidwai Sahib is discussing… Also did you not say that you are taking a vacation?

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#32537 Dec 8, 2012
biomystic wrote:
Every megalomaniac totalitarian leader with a Script says the same thing: "There will be peace when all believe as one" (in the leaders ideas or he will have his groupies, his minions, his lackey, his slaves, kill you. And then there will be peace because of no opposition to the leaders ideas or my will.
God is actually on the side of democracy now because males are out of control and need to be reigned in as only offset by women's vote and power can do.
Are you saying that the god who hates women has changed his mind? What happened to the old biblical stance, is there a new bible?
Deedat

Mumbai, India

#32538 Dec 8, 2012
Clernentia wrote:
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lol lol lol lol lol he he he he ha ha ha my chweetie chimp you appear mentally rattled. go ahead and delete my id. imi steadyfreind voice of India fake dak fake neville et el and hundreds of your fake id stink this forum. tell me what you do apart from being a permanent troll and timekeeper on this forum? ans: nothing. wella suits you well. lol lol lol lol lol he he he he ha ha ha
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Lund fakir (the one who is always seeking tool of men in rear and shaved vagina)…what other proof anyone needs when you yourself shed your panties…
PS: do you really believe the posters and readers are inbred like you??? Also if I decide to take you on you will hide your face in micro g-strings…
Now do your Hahaz, loz and Hehez

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#32540 Dec 8, 2012
MUQ wrote:
01. May be you are smarter than me. I just take the post on the thread and answer it. I find it highly immoral for someone to use another man's ID to deceive the people
02. If Chinese goods are so damn cheap why can't Indian goods be also that damn cheap? Labor cost in India is no better than in China? The problem with India is that there are "too many middlemen" in the process. In India people who want to do honest work are very few.
Most of Indians want to do easy job and act as middle men and commission agent. That is why the final cost is much higher than the labor cost.
03. What prevents India to make a "controlled economy". When India was under "socialist wave" its industry was also controlled, did it excel in world market? Then you people said it is because of Govt. inefficiency that is holding the industry, now you say the reverse.
The basic thing is what Is aid, Indians do not like to work hard, they want an easy life.
04. The last resort to bring any country down is to play with its currency. The same tactics was used against Japan in 1980 s to bring it down to its knees. They up valued its Yen from 240 Yen to a dollar to 100 Yens to a Dollar.
The poor country, how could it fight against its good becoming 250 % costlier over a period of 1 year or so. They did not have any army, so they had to accept it.
Now the same tactics they are using against China, and trying to up value its currency.
May be China will loose, but it would be like a "gang war" in which every one joins against one country.
Why can't all the currencies be valued against Gold or Silver? So that all this "fake" valuation of any currency be known.
With Gold selling Rupees 32,000 a Tola, what is the real value of Indian Rupee?
Now look, I'm not holding a brief for any country. But facts cannot be presented selectively, or else you would be open to the accusation of indulging in cherry picking.

Let's look at the strong points of Chinese temperament. Chinese as a race are indeed more disciplined, more amenable to co-operate in team spirit and more respectful of authority and hierarchy than Indians. This may have something to do with their Confucian value system that they may have imbibed into their daily life style. Apart from this, the Chinese society has far more homogeneity which lends to them a greater sense of cohesiveness. This advantage is not there for the Indians, I suppose. But all this should not blind our eyes to the underbelly of Chinese economy.

Time to time news filters out of China, despite the tightly controlled media, about sporadic outbursts of labor unrest in the towns and industrial suburbs of major cities which is then snuffed out with an iron hand. Chinese authorities clamp down on dissent ruthlessly. Thus much of the labor disputes and other factors that can play spoilsport is brushed aside with no fear of accountability that is present in a normal democracy. Hence the present Chinese dominance in the manufacturing sector has come at a great social and political cost.

Devaluation of currency is resorted to by nations themselves. So I don't understand how others can gang up against China.

Since you seem to be a fan of Chinese way of life, I take the liberty of asking you one question. Do you agree with China's family planning system? In China you simply cannot have a large brood of children without paying a price for that. Is this acceptable for you as a muslim? Try to answer this honestly, because China's family planning system has played a major role in its rise.

Since: Oct 12

Muscat,Oman

#32541 Dec 9, 2012
Tyr Bloodaxe wrote:
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Mr Hyde and not Dr Jekyll was the greatest man alive and not certainly " prophet"""!!
Mr Hyde and Dr Jekyll are the greatest man in your dreams.PROPHET MUHAMMAD [S.A.W] was the man who taught the man how to live in this universe,what is necessary and what is not.When the new born girls were buried alive by the Arabs it was the Great Prophet Muhammad [S.A.W] who taught them that this is wrong and many other things.You can't compare these new people with the all the Great Prophets not only Prophet Muhammad [S.A.W].these people are nothing in front of Prophets.

Since: Oct 12

Muscat,Oman

#32542 Dec 9, 2012
jai wrote:
My holy religion of piss-islam is only the true religion present in this vast universe, other are just false. Muhammad is my secretary also my first follower.
What type of person you are,what is your personality,you have showed everything.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#32543 Dec 9, 2012
lMl2000 wrote:
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It is knowing too much ! That is my problem.
I grew up indoctrinated by Indian political correctness. Like majority of educated citizens in India, I got brainwashed: Castes do not exist, all are equal. Saying anything different, saying that there are castes differences, is racism, a crime.
In school I heard disparaging remarks about Baba Ambedkar and other “dishonest”“cheating” social workers doing wrong things to our country with all the caste differences.
India has been categorized as a country with an average IQ of 80 or so. There always was some complicated theory to explain away the IQ differences:
a) Different culture For example Children of UP, Bihar, Orissa, Rajasthan would not be so bright as Kids of Gujarat, Maharshtra, Punjab, Kashmir)
b) Parental expectation ( Again Parents of BIMAROU would expect their children to earn by hook or crook by forcing them hard labour , beg, borrow or steal so they grow up as utmost dishonest corrupt and form a picture of India that sticks like a stigma for the rest of our lives with us no matter how different the Gujjus, Maharashtrians or Punjabis perform
c) Mother’s malnourishment ( Besides BIMAROU belt, we have southern region of India that excels in producing malnourished kids who remain mentally and physically challenged for the rest of their lives. We have seen some prominent south Indians on this forum who think some western skaters dancing on some vague Bollywood theme would help Mahendra and Tata sell substandard Indian cars in the western world.
d) IQ measurements are racially and culturally biased
My perception changed when I read about trans-caste adoption studies. That is what explained all these desperate attempts to explain away racial differences in intelligence.
The best evidence for the genetic basis of caste-IQ differences comes from trans-racial adoption studies of Oriental children, Bimarou children, South Indian children, and Black children. All these children have been adopted by White parents at an early age and have grown up in middle-class White homes.
Chinese and Vietnamese babies from poor backgrounds, many of whom were malnourished, were adopted by White American and Belgian families. When they grew up, they excelled in school. The IQs of the adopted Oriental children were 10 or more points higher than the national average for the country they grew up in. Bimarou children, South Indian children, and Black children had problems in the school and had diminishing IQ and were lower by 20 or more points than the national average for the country they grew up in.
In plain English: adopted Oriental babies grew up to be very bright, while adopted Bimarou children, South Indian children, and Black children grew up to have low intelligence.
One more desperate theory that was posed to salvage the “racial equality” dogma by people from your states:
“expectancy effects,” not genes, explained the pattern.
As usual you speculate with gay abandon, both with regards to my personal life as well as the larger issues raised in your post.

Your post is reeking with snobbishness, so much so that you think that being a snob is an accomplishment in its own right. This is one place where you could have shown your mettle by looking at things from a larger perspective and presenting more insightful analysis and creative solutions. Instead you come up with a lazy superficial treatment of what ails India and you top it up with third world feudalistic attitudes towards people down on the ladder of development. Being a snob, looking down on others, showing how much flabby fat you have accumulated is very easy as you don't have to jog your brain cells. No one gives much respect to these kind of fake, insincere shallow minded snobs with third world feudalistic attitudes.

Since: Oct 12

Muscat,Oman

#32544 Dec 9, 2012
Tyr Bloodaxe wrote:
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Mr Hyde and not Dr Jekyll was the greatest man alive and not certainly " prophet"""!!
Every Prophet had his own quality.They had almost every quality for e.g

1.Faithful 2.Guardianship 3.Vindicate 4.Never telling a lie 5.truth
6.trustful 7.Very brave 8.trust in God 9.generosity 10.gentleness 11.good manners 12.believe in god 13.true nature 14.helping others 15.being trustworthy 16.forgiveness

what qualities are not in our Prophets.No one can compare them with any other ordinary human.
Deedat

Mumbai, India

#32545 Dec 9, 2012
shahid afridi wrote:
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Mr Hyde and Dr Jekyll are the greatest man in your dreams.PROPHET MUHAMMAD [S.A.W] was the man who taught the man how to live in this universe,what is necessary and what is not.When the new born girls were buried alive by the Arabs it was the Great Prophet Muhammad [S.A.W] who taught them that this is wrong and many other things.You can't compare these new people with the all the Great Prophets not only Prophet Muhammad [S.A.W].these people are nothing in front of Prophets.
Pathan brother as it is very evident that you have not read Quran Shariff and other Islamic texts…here is something for you It was Not Muhammd (saw) who said that new born babies should not be bury new born girl childs alive, it was Zaid ibn Arm the haniff….and it was not ; a common practice how come Muhammad (saw) and rest of the believers came to this world if Arabs were busy in burying new born baby girl childs

Since: Oct 12

Muscat,Oman

#32546 Dec 9, 2012
Deedat wrote:
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Pathan brother as it is very evident that you have not read Quran Shariff and other Islamic texts…here is something for you It was Not Muhammd (saw) who said that new born babies should not be bury new born girl childs alive, it was Zaid ibn Arm the haniff….and it was not ; a common practice how come Muhammad (saw) and rest of the believers came to this world if Arabs were busy in burying new born baby girl childs
He taught the illiterate and uneducated people that these is not right,you should not do this.for your kind information it is Zayd bin amr not zaid ibn arm.He was the first person to save the children but it was noto ver It was Hazrat Muhammad who stopped the people from doing this go and read Quran carefully,you don't know even the right name.

Since: Oct 12

Muscat,Oman

#32547 Dec 9, 2012
Deedat wrote:
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Pathan brother as it is very evident that you have not read Quran Shariff and other Islamic texts…here is something for you It was Not Muhammd (saw) who said that new born babies should not be bury new born girl childs alive, it was Zaid ibn Arm the haniff….and it was not ; a common practice how come Muhammad (saw) and rest of the believers came to this world if Arabs were busy in burying new born baby girl childs
Not all Arabs.There were many educated Arabs and many other Arabs who were not doing this work.This foolish thinking was removed by the Prophet Muhammad.You don't know anything Indian.Iam 18 years old and from the class 1 to university i have learnt that it was Prophet muhammad [S.A.W] who taught people.Like Zaid Bin Amr there were many people who were trying to stop Arbas but could not suceed.
Deedat

Mumbai, India

#32548 Dec 9, 2012
shahid afridi wrote:
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He taught the illiterate and uneducated people that these is not right,you should not do this.for your kind information it is Zayd bin amr not zaid ibn arm.He was the first person to save the children but it was noto ver It was Hazrat Muhammad who stopped the people from doing this go and read Quran carefully,you don't know even the right name.
Pathan Brother, I know if Zaid should be written as Zayd….Btw it is not Zayd bin amr it is “Zaid/Zayd ibn Arm….so get yourself corrected about bin and “ibn”…
Deedat

Mumbai, India

#32549 Dec 9, 2012
shahid afridi wrote:
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Every Prophet had his own quality.They had almost every quality for e.g
1.Faithful 2.Guardianship 3.Vindicate 4.Never telling a lie 5.truth
6.trustful 7.Very brave 8.trust in God 9.generosity 10.gentleness 11.good manners 12.believe in god 13.true nature 14.helping others 15.being trustworthy 16.forgiveness
what qualities are not in our Prophets.No one can compare them with any other ordinary human.
Prophets are you saying…first learn what prophets means…btw do you know what did Muhammad (saw)[his original was Qasim as recoded in Islamic scriptures ] prophesied??
1.Faithful…was he faithful according to modern Islam??? where did he show his faithfulness??
2.Guardianship… does it means that you can take your daughter-in-law or does it means that Muslims cannot take a orphan in….
3.Vindicate….I will just leave it as few Muslims will find it to graphic
4.Lie….The Prophet of Islam was the first one do it when he wrote treaty whit Meccans and broke it announced..
5.Trustful….now you are joking….when was Muhammad Sahib(thustful) he even did not spare his Uncle who took care of him
6.Very brave….the man who wears two chest cover while in battle…what will you call him brave or afraid???
7.Trust in God…haha now again you are compelling me to write……what was the trust in God???? Does God requires booty looted by some ignorant fools trying to portray that they are doing God’s bidding????
8.Generosity…Is it same what Muhammad(saw) showed and enshrined in one surah of Quran Shafiff….i am talking about the uncle of Muhammad (saw) who protected him whole of his life and that uncle got hell for that and Muhammad (saw) was generous enough that he said that Abu (uncle of Qasim) will not burn fully but his ankles will be in hell fire and his brain will boil up and explode as he refused to accept Muhhamd (saw) as Prophet..
9.Gentleness….My my is it same thing that a 54 plus years of man have errection seeing a 9 month year old baby or does it mean that a nursing (feeding her child) is ripped apart on the instructions of Muhammad (saw) or does it means that goons of Muhammad(saw) deceitfully kilsl a 100 plus aged man or does it means that a lady is ripped apart by camels on order of Muhammad (saw)
10.Now please don’t make me talk on good manners as the very topic of good manners will make you bit shy
11.Believe in god…when did he believe in God??
12.True nature…whould you please tell what is true nature, if you are unable to have answer for that feel free to ask me…
13.Helping others…you means that he stuck sword in everyone who stood up to him??
14.Trustworthy…..same as he broke his peace treaty which he himself signed??? Is this the definition of trust….if it is the definition of trustworthiness then I can see many people more thrust-full and trustworthy and not the Prophet of Islam..
Btw what did Muhammad Sahib prophesied?

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#32550 Dec 9, 2012
number four wrote:
<quoted text>This is a difficult topic ...If one reads the Vedas or Quran or Bible ...and, has a deep spiritual awakening ...nothing has change , no evidence can be shown ..Yet, now this person is adamant "God is real and loves us !"
what can this person do ,but stick to their guns ..And assert I love my God and my (insert name here) faith ....there is "no" empirical proof ,that he is correct ...
I think we should test God ...(not in sense ,that I'm going to close my eyes and then expect to see a brick of gold , then I will believe)..But,rather if we become more prayerful ,thankful and faithful (to chosen religion) and God ....Will our lives improve and become more purposeful ,will our hearts become more peaceful and understanding ....?
MUQ has his compulsions, as he is living in tightly monitored society where the Damocles sword is always hanging over his head. But for all his lectures about Islam, I have still no inkling about the islamic God. You know how we were when we were small kids and heard about God the first time. We thought that God must be some kind of a superman with supermagical powers and must be living in some remote and inaccessible part of the universe. As we grow up, our understanding of God changes and that is directly related to the deepening of our subjective perspective.

In the case of Islam, God is completely objectified. There is no room for the islamic god to be understood in the light of our own deepening and expanding subjective nature. Concept of islamic god is more like the understanding we had of God when we were kids.
Deedat

Mumbai, India

#32551 Dec 9, 2012
shahid afridi wrote:
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Not all Arabs.There were many educated Arabs and many other Arabs who were not doing this work.This foolish thinking was removed by the Prophet Muhammad.You don't know anything Indian.Iam 18 years old and from the class 1 to university i have learnt that it was Prophet muhammad [S.A.W] who taught people.Like Zaid Bin Amr there were many people who were trying to stop Arbas but could not suceed.
Pathan brother when you will reach age of 25 and you will stick to Islamic scriptures; you will know the truth… in the mean time you can ask any scholar of Islam if I am speaking falsehood…. For starts just ask any scholar if Muhammad (saw) was the one who insisted that new born baby girl child should not be buried or is it was Zaid/Zayd ibn amr who said it (as Muhammad [saw was busy in cutting goats on names of daughters of Allah] even monotheism was taught by Zaid/Zayd ibn arm to Muhammad (saw))…it is well documented in Islamic scriptures…
Btw if you are 18 years focus on your studies
Deedat

Mumbai, India

#32552 Dec 9, 2012
Dragnet52 wrote:
<quoted text>MUQ has his compulsions, as he is living in tightly monitored society where the Damocles sword is always hanging over his head. But for all his lectures about Islam, I have still no inkling about the islamic God. You know how we were when we were small kids and heard about God the first time. We thought that God must be some kind of a superman with supermagical powers and must be living in some remote and inaccessible part of the universe. As we grow up, our understanding of God changes and that is directly related to the deepening of our subjective perspective.
In the case of Islam, God is completely objectified. There is no room for the islamic god to be understood in the light of our own deepening and expanding subjective nature. Concept of islamic god is more like the understanding we had of God when we were kids.
Original Dragnet52 can I call you “Dargo”?... if our resident student of Islam cannot figure out difference between subjective or objective what we can expect from other people??
Sometime in future I would like to take on Qidwai Sahibs fake crap about Muhammad (saw)’s stories as there is no base of these stories…
Muhi al Din Muhammad

Dublin, Ireland

#32556 Dec 9, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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Brother, Deedat & Dragnet52 are one and the same person plus he has many faces on this forum. He is here to denigrate Islam and make fun of you as someone that of a fanatic personality. Take caution when you reply to any of such faces. N4, Dak or even Tyr Bloodaxe are ok although they are not Muslims.
Drago

Tokyo, Japan

#32557 Dec 9, 2012
Deedat wrote:
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Original Dragnet52 can I call you “Dargo”?...
NO,you may not ! You are not my equal as you are a dalit and an untouchable even by the standards of your own country. You have experienced enough hate from your countrymen and compatriots from the same religion you passionately follow. Shall we discuss your religion here so that we can go through various pot holes it has got and how inferior it looks in front of Islam?

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#32558 Dec 9, 2012
shahid afridi wrote:
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Mr Hyde and Dr Jekyll are the greatest man in your dreams.PROPHET MUHAMMAD [S.A.W] was the man who taught the man how to live in this universe,what is necessary and what is not.When the new born girls were buried alive by the Arabs it was the Great Prophet Muhammad [S.A.W] who taught them that this is wrong and many other things.You can't compare these new people with the all the Great Prophets not only Prophet Muhammad [S.A.W].these people are nothing in front of Prophets.
My problem "shahid afridi" is the "Islamic World"....If Islam teaches all and is the hope of mankind ....Where , is that beacon of hope and prosperity in the Islamic world ,so the entire world may come to believe ...????

All I see is totalitarianism , quat addiction,sectarian violence and claiming victim hood .....

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#32559 Dec 9, 2012
Dragnet52 wrote:
<quoted text>MUQ has his compulsions, as he is living in tightly monitored society where the Damocles sword is always hanging over his head. But for all his lectures about Islam, I have still no inkling about the islamic God. You know how we were when we were small kids and heard about God the first time. We thought that God must be some kind of a superman with supermagical powers and must be living in some remote and inaccessible part of the universe. As we grow up, our understanding of God changes and that is directly related to the deepening of our subjective perspective.
In the case of Islam, God is completely objectified. There is no room for the islamic god to be understood in the light of our own deepening and expanding subjective nature. Concept of islamic god is more like the understanding we had of God when we were kids.
Reason and Logic ..."should" be a part of Worship ..........

I understand better of what you meant by "blind faith"..thank-you

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