Islam and Science:Road to Renewal

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THE sleep has been long and deep. In 2005 Harvard University produced more scientific papers than 17 Arabic-speaking countries combined.

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“Alea iacta est!”

Since: Oct 06

Oh it's ON!

#63 Feb 2, 2013
Ex Muslim wrote:
I do know of a collection of papers written by other ex muslims at FFI debunking not only Bacaille but other Muslim apologetics (like Adnan Okter, the infamous Islamic creationist):
http://www.scribd.com/collections/2330324/Kor...
Thank you!

:)

“Alea iacta est!”

Since: Oct 06

Oh it's ON!

#64 Feb 2, 2013
Faith wrote:
Maurice Bucaille was a inveterate drunkard and opium addict. He receded into a haze of madness and despair decades before his demise. He is remembered as a charlatan and buffoon.
I've never really bothered with the so called scholars and apologists. I see you keep up on this stuff.:)

It's all a bunch of nonsense, Muslims have never been able to prove Islam is a religion let alone something inspired by a 'divinity'.

I still doubt there is a god at all. I'm just not sure what I believe anymore. I do know I reject Islam because if it's evilness. No doubt about that.

“Facts, not fiction”

Since: Apr 07

Earth

#65 Feb 3, 2013
Ex Muslim wrote:
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Ah my apologies, I don't think I made that clear. It is true that while there is no decisive evidence indicating that Bacaille converted, there are indications he remained Christian till his death in 1998, so yes, he can no longer refuse to convert as he is quite dead.
However he is still a poor excuse for a "scientist", reading this interview of his http://www.islamicbulletin.org/newsletters/is... , where he takes multiple jabs at Evolution and Darwinian theory, and even divulges into heaploads of pseudoscience and frivoulous unproved claims, it is clear that he is still nothing for Muslims to be proud about.
Urgh, I hadn't even seen that interview. Yet another religious zealot who could not handle "Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothèse-là". The ironic part is that he's tried to get scripture to fit with science by rather questionable interpretations of the scripture (well, one scripture, in the other cases he seemed to be more "scientific", not just interpreting such that it fit), and then rejects science because it doesn't fit with a rather important element of that scripture.

Since: Jun 08

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#66 Feb 3, 2013
Faith wrote:
<quoted text>What? The countries we invade and destroy are dirty muslim sh*t-holes. It's not as if they matter.
see that's mentality of yours.

its doesnt matter to you lands of others .No value for us? ha. atleast that proves invasion and destroying.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#67 Feb 3, 2013
Irzath wrote:
<quoted text>
see that's mentality of yours.
its doesnt matter to you lands of others .No value for us? ha. atleast that proves invasion and destroying.
Yep.

“Alea iacta est!”

Since: Oct 06

Oh it's ON!

#68 Feb 3, 2013
Irzath wrote:
<quoted text>
see that's mentality of yours.
its doesnt matter to you lands of others .No value for us? ha. atleast that proves invasion and destroying.
Islam has proved itself about political and religious dominance.

If there was ever a religion that espoused and pushed it's followers to world domination.........it is Islam.
Jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#69 Feb 3, 2013
prasad wrote:
<quoted text>chritianity is first hand religion and came from the mind of paul who goes against jesus sayings. it is the religions of saints.and atlast paul is the founder of chrtianity and it should be called paulanity.
DID PAUL & JESUS TEACH THE SAME THING?:
http://carm.org/questions/other-questions/did...

Since: Jun 08

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#70 Feb 3, 2013
Trisha wrote:
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Islam has proved itself about political and religious dominance.
If there was ever a religion that espoused and pushed it's followers to world domination.........it is Islam.
alhamdulillah. good news. when when and where was it proved?
Asif Iqbal

Arlington, TX

#71 Feb 3, 2013
Mi_nina wrote:
I would NEVER support a religion that insists on conquering the world, and killing apostates...God would not ask that, but Satan would.
Are you talking about America?

“Mad as Hell”

Since: Sep 12

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#72 Feb 3, 2013
Mi_nina wrote:
I would NEVER support a religion that insists on conquering the world, and killing apostates...God would not ask that, but Satan would.
Asif replied : Are you talking about America?

Good point Asif as this is exactly how the greater world sees the USA as a warmongering nation.

Which other country sends Missionaries and Missiles to the 4 corners of the globe.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#73 Feb 3, 2013
"The Fatwa: Grand Mufti Sheikh Ibn Baaz: The Sun Revolves Around the Earth

In a 2000 Fatwa titled “The Transmitted and Sensory Proofs of the Rotation of the Sun and Stillness of the Earth”, Saudi Arabian Grand Mufti Sheikh Ibn Baaz asserted that the earth was flat and disk-like and that the sun revolved around it. He had insisted that satellite images to the contrary were nothing but a Western conspiracy against the Islamic world.

Source: Al-Ahram Weekly Issue 477, 13-19 April, 2000."

Science is unislamic!!
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#74 Feb 3, 2013
"The Fatwa: Infidel Vaccine

Polio is actually increasing in India, Nigeria, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Why? Because an anti-polio fatwa by anti-Western clerics forbid Pakistani children from immunizations, because the clerics are saying the vaccine is a conspiracy to make Muslims sterile. Ironically, it’s the clerics’ plans that would produce this result, as dead/paralytic kids don’t breed all that much.

Source:“POLIO ERADICATION: Looking for a Little Luck”, Roberts Science 6 February 2009"

Vaccine is unislamic!!
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#75 Feb 3, 2013
"The Fatwa: Sheik Ali Gomaa: Urine Fatwa

According to Egypt’s Grand Mufti, Sheikh Ali Gomaa, drinking the urine of Muhammad is deemed a great blessing. What, they have a lot of this stuff lying around, going to waste or something? Remember, Muhammad never claimed that he himself was divine—so why does his piss have magic properties? Failing to pass the laugh test with Muslim scholars, Mufti later recanted, saying it was only his “personal opinion”.

Source:“A Fatwa Free-for-All in the Islamic World”, New York Times, Michael Slackman Published: Monday, June 11, 2007"

Piss drinking IS islamic!!
Asif Iqbal

Arlington, TX

#77 Feb 3, 2013
Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Yep.
May I suggest that you change your Screen name from FAITH to SICKO or TRASHY

I will suggest to Iran to use you for a space ride instead of a monkey.

Yep, you will like that.

After training for the trip for more than a year, a monkey was yesterday successfully launched into space by Iran atop its latest Kavoshgar-3 rocket. The state news agency, Fars, later reported that the scientists had “brought back and recovered the living cargo.”


In this respect the nameless simian was extremely fortunate: if it had been able to read Wikipedia, it is unlikely that it would have consented to this reckless ride. The previous Iranian attempt to launch a monkey concluded “without achieving all [the mission’s] objectives” as a spokesman put it, with a hint of euphemism. No further detail was given.

For monkeys have never been lucky in space. After successfully launching and retrieving a cargo of fruit flies, the US in 1948 sent Albert, a rhesus monkey, 68 kms up atop a V2 rocket. He died of suffocation during the flight. Albert II, who followed him a year later, was burned to a crisp when his parachute failed to open. At this point a new, luckier name might have been tried but instead they stuck with Albert, and number III was torn to pieces when the rocket blew up. Albert IV went the same way as Albert II. After yet another parachute failure put paid to Albert V, Albert VI – who went up with a mouse called Yorick – became the first monkey to return to earth alive, only to die two hours after landing.
Jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#78 Feb 4, 2013
Asif Iqbal wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you talking about America?
NO, HE'S TALKING ABOUT "GIVE A SOUL TO SATAN" - MUHAMMED!!!!!!!!

Bukhari 52:260: "...The Prophet said,'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'"

Bukhari 83:37: "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations:(1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas),(2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse, and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle, and deserted Islam and became an apostate."

MUHAMMED WAS NOT A PROPHET!!!!!!!!!!

“Mad as Hell”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#79 Feb 4, 2013
Faith wrote:
"The Fatwa: Infidel Vaccine
Polio is actually increasing in India, Nigeria, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Why? Because an anti-polio fatwa by anti-Western clerics forbid Pakistani children from immunizations, because the clerics are saying the vaccine is a conspiracy to make Muslims sterile. Ironically, it’s the clerics’ plans that would produce this result, as dead/paralytic kids don’t breed all that much.
Source:“POLIO ERADICATION: Looking for a Little Luck”, Roberts Science 6 February 2009"
Vaccine is unislamic!!
There are anti-vaccination groups in all Western countries.
One concern is the use of mercury in certain types of vaccinations.
Another is a purported link to autism.
These groups are not Muslim based.

As usual we see the stereotyping of Muslims by Faith without doing the most basic research.

“Mad as Hell”

Since: Sep 12

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#80 Feb 4, 2013
Faith wrote:
"The Fatwa: Grand Mufti Sheikh Ibn Baaz: The Sun Revolves Around the Earth
In a 2000 Fatwa titled “The Transmitted and Sensory Proofs of the Rotation of the Sun and Stillness of the Earth”, Saudi Arabian Grand Mufti Sheikh Ibn Baaz asserted that the earth was flat and disk-like and that the sun revolved around it. He had insisted that satellite images to the contrary were nothing but a Western conspiracy against the Islamic world.
Source: Al-Ahram Weekly Issue 477, 13-19 April, 2000."
Science is unislamic!!
Just as some Westerners believe nobody went to the moon but the event with Armstrong was a Hollywood production.
So what if one individual has strange views at any time or place.
This doesn't mean his contemporaries think the same way.

You are constantly bringing the anti-Islamic cause into disrepute by your empty comments.

“Mad as Hell”

Since: Sep 12

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#81 Feb 4, 2013
Faith wrote:
"The Fatwa: Sheik Ali Gomaa: Urine Fatwa
According to Egypt’s Grand Mufti, Sheikh Ali Gomaa, drinking the urine of Muhammad is deemed a great blessing. What, they have a lot of this stuff lying around, going to waste or something? Remember, Muhammad never claimed that he himself was divine—so why does his piss have magic properties? Failing to pass the laugh test with Muslim scholars, Mufti later recanted, saying it was only his “personal opinion”.
Source:“A Fatwa Free-for-All in the Islamic World”, New York Times, Michael Slackman Published: Monday, June 11, 2007"
Piss drinking IS islamic!!
The fact that the Prophets urine does no longer exist should tell you that the person saying so is mentally unwell.
Perhaps the catholic custom of symbolically drinking the blood of Jesus and the eating of his flesh had escaped your attention.
science

Pittsfield, MA

#82 Feb 4, 2013
Irzath wrote:
<quoted text>
and thats advancement you are talking about.
you people didnt even know how to walk on earth,guess what? you call yourself civilized and culturally growing while your dress degrading.
Agreed
Khan

Wichita, KS

#84 Feb 4, 2013
Faith wrote:
"THE sleep has been long and deep. In 2005 Harvard University produced more scientific papers than 17 Arabic-speaking countries combined. The world’s 1.6 billion Muslims have produced only two Nobel laureates in chemistry and physics. Both moved to the West: the only living one, the chemist Ahmed Hassan Zewail, is at the California Institute of Technology. By contrast Jews, outnumbered 100 to one by Muslims, have won 79. The 57 countries in the Organisation of the Islamic Conference spend a puny 0.81% of GDP on research and development, about a third of the world average. America, which has the world’s biggest science budget, spends 2.9%; Israel lavishes 4.4%."
Science is unislamic.
Here is a Pakistani Muslim Eye Specialist bringing eysight to the Blinds like yourself.
Are you not proud of him?

Pakistan born Eye Specialist Bringing Sight to the Blind

http://www.doheny.org/PDF/Bringing_Sight_to_t...
Dr. Mark Humayun, a professor of ophthalmology at the Keck
School of Medicine and associate director of research at the Doheny
Eye Institute at the Univ. of Southern California, has pioneered new
ways of helping the blind to see. He is doing this is by melding hightech
materials and technology with advanced surgical methods to
restore sight to those who until now had little hope of ever seeing
again.
Humayun, a doctor of ophthalmology who holds a Ph.D. in
Biomedical engineering, is R&D Magazine’s 2005 Innovator of the Year. The
award is being presented
to Humayun for his work on retinal implants and in recognition for
his
lifelong quest to helping the blind to see.
Humayun has spent the last 17 years working on a project that
borrows from electronics technology, biocompatible materials and
advanced surgical techniques to implant an intraocular retinal
prosthesis, which essentially fills the role of the cells in the retina that
have been ravaged by disease. The work led by Humayun is the focus
of a team of researchers that includes other ophthalmologists at USC,
materials and electronics researchers at five Dept. of Energy (DOE)
laboratories, scientists at other universities, and Second Sight
Medical Products Inc., a small California com

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