Dead 60 years, Stalin's influence lin...

Dead 60 years, Stalin's influence lingers in Putin's Russia

There are 533 comments on the Reuters story from Mar 5, 2013, titled Dead 60 years, Stalin's influence lingers in Putin's Russia. In it, Reuters reports that:

A conference held under the auspices of the Russian Orthodox Church is perhaps the last place you might expect to hear a good word said about Josef Stalin.

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#45 Mar 6, 2013
Annie wrote:
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you have to add in a large part of the 26 million killed in action due to his poor strategic planning during combat.
The figures are 6 millions of soldiers and 20 millions of civilians.
Most of the Soviet casualties were in fact innocent civilian villagers slaughtered in great numbers by the Wehrmacht during the invasion and probably even more during the German retreat.

Obsessed by partisans, German soldiers used to round up whole village population and torch their houses before shooting them all.

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#46 Mar 6, 2013
Alexey25 wrote:
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Stalin clearly saved Russia and the world from nazism.
That is dead certain. For most of the war, the Soviets under Stalin were the only ones actually doing any fighting against the NAZIs.

The USA and its allies only opened the Western front once the German forces were exhausted by 3 years of fighting on the Eastern front, and already on the run from the Soviet Army.

Stalingrad and Kursk are the 2 battles that broke the back of the German army.
Mohammed Abdul Islamovic

Podgorica, Montenegro

#47 Mar 6, 2013
Robespierre wrote:
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That is dead certain. For most of the war, the Soviets under Stalin were the only ones actually doing any fighting against the NAZIs.
The USA and its allies only opened the Western front once the German forces were exhausted by 3 years of fighting on the Eastern front, and already on the run from the Soviet Army.
Stalingrad and Kursk are the 2 battles that broke the back of the German army.
Jews destroy Hitler the Savior, just like did to Russia with Bolhsevism.

USA,UK,USSR and France were all slaves of Jew.

Hi

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#48 Mar 6, 2013
Mohammed Abdul Islamovic wrote:
<quoted text>Jews destroy Hitler the Savior, just like did to Russia with Bolhsevism.
USA,UK,USSR and France were all slaves of Jew.
Hi
Like I wrote before, I don't buy your Jewish conspiracy, so abstain to reply to me with anti-semitic posts.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#49 Mar 6, 2013
Stefanya wrote:
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Tarmo the eSStonian always pokes his nose into the Russian forum.
So SStefanyaSS rather agrees that Stalin was originally a Japanese spy?
Tex Rogers

Calgary, Canada

#50 Mar 6, 2013
Stalin modernised the USSR.... at a price. A class of State Kolkhoznicks and Industrial workers gained power, ostensibly, while real power was held by about 3 people in the Kremlin..... so not much has changed in Russia now. It is a system and the russians apparently like it,so good for them. I prefer the free enterprise system and capitalism, which UK is now returning to, as the UK is actually now more socialist than Russia..... and all the state funded programs for the UK non functionals is killing the UK financially. It is floundering in debt. So take your pick....

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#51 Mar 6, 2013
Tex Rogers wrote:
I prefer the free enterprise system and capitalism, which UK is now returning to, as the UK is actually now more socialist than Russia..... and all the state funded programs for the UK non functionals is killing the UK financially. It is floundering in debt. So take your pick....
As usual, you don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

UK socialist? UK returning to capitalism? UK state funded programs? bla, bla, bla...

Where do you get all that stuff?
Tex Rogers

Calgary, Canada

#52 Mar 6, 2013
Robespierre wrote:
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As usual, you don't have a clue about what you are talking about.
UK socialist? UK returning to capitalism? UK state funded programs? bla, bla, bla...
Where do you get all that stuff?
Geez The economy and return to free enterprise is in all your British papers. Are you in Moscow and with Lenin or what Robby boy ? Return to free enterprise is the whole basis of your government's plan. Are you really that thick ? Here is sample from the Telegraph . There are hundreds of articles on the point. Clearly , you stopped reading and thinking in 1960. Where do I get this stuff... right here ... can you read it?You really are a dumb communist aren't you ?
Article from the London Telegraph on the Economy :

We need entrepreneurs. They drive the creation of wealth that is the engine for growth, jobs, tax revenues and all the services – the hospitals, the schools and the care – that people have come to expect and many to rely upon. It should not be necessary to make this case in a free market economy; yet it has become so because the efficacies of capitalism are under attack as never before. This does, of course, have something to do with the behaviour of some of its practitioners. But to damn an entire system because of the misdeeds of a few is ultimately destructive. Unfortunately, it has become fashionable in certain quarters, notably on the Left of politics and in the media, to sneer at anything that smacks of making money. Private enterprise, the absolute bedrock of a free society, is derided and success mocked.

Today we begin a series of articles that will seek to restore a sense of perspective to this debate. As Charles Moore observes in these pages, this country was not only built upon free trade but was a pioneer of the most successful economic system ever invented. For all its faults, he points out, without enterprise there is economic stagnation, and the creation of circumstances in which the poor suffer most. As a nation we are in danger of losing sight of these truths. Our self-confidence has been hit by the financial crisis and the continuing sluggishness of the economy. Figures later this week are expected to show a third successive quarter of negative growth, yet these do not seem to square with falling unemployment, rising vacancies and the greater optimism of businesses. We should not get hung up on downbeat statistics since they can feed into a national gloom that simply becomes self-perpetuating.

Even David Cameron’s warning recently that we face austerity until 2020 and beyond risks feeding into this sense of national ennui. We have a lot to be proud of and do not need to talk ourselves into a slough of despond. What we do need is strong and forward-looking leadership that not only voices support for enterprise and wealth creation but wills the means to nurture them.

Our politicians also need to avoid sounding apologetic about, or even hostile to, free market capitalism just to pander to a transient public mood against it. Not enough are willing, as Tony Blair was yesterday, to make the unarguable point that a “thriving and healthy banking sector” is vital to the future of a modern British economy. It is time to make the case powerfully once again for free enterprise.
Tex Rogers

Calgary, Canada

#53 Mar 6, 2013
There, don't you feel like the idiot that you are Robespierre. Like Duh.... It is about free enterprise.. PM David Cameron has been talking about nothing else but Free Enterprise and slashing and burning all the crap socialist systems that are choking the vitality out of the UK economy and draining its money.Wake up fella! But Robby boy doesn't read or watch UK telly I guess. Wow , what a moron.

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#54 Mar 6, 2013
Tex Rogers wrote:
<quoted text> Geez The economy and return to free enterprise is in all your British papers. Are you in Moscow and with Lenin or what Robby boy ? Return to free enterprise is the whole basis of your government's plan. Are you really that thick ? Here is sample from the Telegraph . There are hundreds of articles on the point. Clearly , you stopped reading and thinking in 1960. Where do I get this stuff... right here ... can you read it?You really are a dumb communist aren't you ?
Article from the London Telegraph on the Economy :
We need entrepreneurs. They drive the creation of wealth that is the engine for growth, jobs, tax revenues and all the services – the hospitals, the schools and the care – that people have come to expect and many to rely upon. It should not be necessary to make this case in a free market economy; yet it has become so because the efficacies of capitalism are under attack as never before. This does, of course, have something to do with the behaviour of some of its practitioners. But to damn an entire system because of the misdeeds of a few is ultimately destructive. Unfortunately, it has become fashionable in certain quarters, notably on the Left of politics and in the media, to sneer at anything that smacks of making money. Private enterprise, the absolute bedrock of a free society, is derided and success mocked.
Today we begin a series of articles that will seek to restore a sense of perspective to this debate. As Charles Moore observes in these pages, this country was not only built upon free trade but was a pioneer of the most successful economic system ever invented. For all its faults, he points out, without enterprise there is economic stagnation, and the creation of circumstances in which the poor suffer most. As a nation we are in danger of losing sight of these truths. Our self-confidence has been hit by the financial crisis and the continuing sluggishness of the economy. Figures later this week are expected to show a third successive quarter of negative growth, yet these do not seem to square with falling unemployment, rising vacancies and the greater optimism of businesses. We should not get hung up on downbeat statistics since they can feed into a national gloom that simply becomes self-perpetuating.
Even David Cameron’s warning recently that we face austerity until 2020 and beyond risks feeding into this sense of national ennui. We have a lot to be proud of and do not need to talk ourselves into a slough of despond. What we do need is strong and forward-looking leadership that not only voices support for enterprise and wealth creation but wills the means to nurture them.
Our politicians also need to avoid sounding apologetic about, or even hostile to, free market capitalism just to pander to a transient public mood against it. Not enough are willing, as Tony Blair was yesterday, to make the unarguable point that a “thriving and healthy banking sector” is vital to the future of a modern British economy. It is time to make the case powerfully once again for free enterprise.
Free enterprise has never left Britain, you jerk!
Tex Rogers

Calgary, Canada

#55 Mar 6, 2013
Robespierre wrote:
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Free enterprise has never left Britain, you jerk!
Well then what is Prime Minister David Cameron of UK and his cabinet and the Minister of Finance, the London Times , The London Telegraph ( above article)and all of the CITY of London ( Financial Section) talking about when they are all calling for a return to individual initiative in UK, free enterprise and dismantalling social programs that are strangling the UK economy ? This is not TEX's creation you know there big fella? How is it that you rate the Telegraph as" nuts "when the quote economists and the government ? You are clearly an absurd moron that does not read or understand. I am just reporting it fella! Yeah, I guess your whole government in the UK and the PM and cabinet are hallucinating over there in Jolly England EH ? You are a strange bird,indeed Robespierre.
Annie

Gillingham, UK

#56 Mar 7, 2013
Robespierre wrote:
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Most of the Soviet casualties were in fact innocent civilian villagers slaughtered in great numbers by the Wehrmacht during the invasion and probably even more during the German retreat.
Ok on that note, whose fault was it that Hitler was allowed to reach the Soviet border and invade and massacre and starve civilians? How many died as POWs etc? Who left the back door open to hitler and put down a welcome mat?

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#57 Mar 7, 2013
Annie wrote:
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Ok on that note, whose fault was it that Hitler was allowed to reach the Soviet border and invade and massacre and starve civilians? How many died as POWs etc? Who left the back door open to hitler and put down a welcome mat?
I think UK and France did.
Annie

Gillingham, UK

#58 Mar 7, 2013
Oh yeah? How many war deaths compared to the Soviets in France & Britain? Can Hitler have laid claim to invading Britain? Britain pursued a more intelligent military strategy and as a result developed radar, cracked codes, gathered troops from around the empire and allied herself with the US. How many war deaths in comparison to the Soviets?
Anonymous

Brewster, NY

#59 Mar 7, 2013
Annie wrote:
Oh yeah? How many war deaths compared to the Soviets in France & Britain? Can Hitler have laid claim to invading Britain? Britain pursued a more intelligent military strategy and as a result developed radar, cracked codes, gathered troops from around the empire and allied herself with the US. How many war deaths in comparison to the Soviets?
Britain of course was protected on an Island of a natural mote protection with a strong Navy.

As for cracked codes.... Well Polish scientists really cracked the Nazi engima codes but Britain stole the credit.

As for Radar.... Much like most British inventions it was actually Scottish.

You rarely hear about that.

Much like you rarely hear about how much of the great German inventors had Polish / Slavic orgins & surnames as well.

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#60 Mar 7, 2013
Annie wrote:
Oh yeah? How many war deaths compared to the Soviets in France & Britain? Can Hitler have laid claim to invading Britain? Britain pursued a more intelligent military strategy and as a result developed radar, cracked codes, gathered troops from around the empire and allied herself with the US. How many war deaths in comparison to the Soviets?
British strategy was to direct German agression to the east, against USSR and Poland. That`s why UK gave to Hitler Czechoslovakia, that`w why France and UK did not help Poland.
UK had less deaths just because it didn`t really fight.
Certainly when you sit beind the channel letting USSR to do all the job, you probably will survive.
British army was much worse than Soviet one.
British weapons were much worse than soiet weapons.
USSR had such things as missiles launchers in the beginning of the war. Soviet tanks were the best tanks of the war. Soviet planes were much better than British planes.

Germany having 2 times smaller army than France and UK had them defeated during 3 weeks.

As for British strategy it failed. Hitler did not go to the east before he destroyed western cotinental countries.

Hitler simply did not make genocide in weestern Europe like he made it in Russia. 18 mln. of casaulties were civilian population.
As for military losses USSR and Germany plus it`s allies lost aproximatly the same.

Yea, UK and France are resposible in the 2ww.

Germany, UK and France.

Stalin did his best to prevent the war.
Untill the last moment he suggested to UK and France to make an alliance against Germany. If it would be made the war would not be possible.

UK simply wanted Germans and Russians to kill each other while British would stand aside and watched it. Well, it nearly turned out as the British planned it.
East Asian Cars

Podgorica, Montenegro

#61 Mar 7, 2013
Annie wrote:
Oh yeah? How many war deaths compared to the Soviets in France & Britain? Can Hitler have laid claim to invading Britain? Britain pursued a more intelligent military strategy and as a result developed radar, cracked codes, gathered troops from around the empire and allied herself with the US. How many war deaths in comparison to the Soviets?
Jewish-control Britian and Cripto-Jew Churchill was true Criminal.
Britian lost WW2.

Now British will becaume minorities in there own nation in year 2066 and extinct in 22.centure.

Winston Churchil was biggest disastor in British Histroy and He was Secret Jew!!!!!!!!
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Finland

#62 Mar 7, 2013
tarmo wrote:
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Names Koba and Kato also have a meaning in estonian and finnish languages, but I wouldn't claim that Stalin was an estonian spy.
Koba / kobakäpp = clumsy, butter-fingers
Kato / kadu = failure, depletion, disappearance
Sassiko = Sassike (uncommon)
Mariko = Merike (common name)
And did you notice how many Russian generals in the Russo-Japanese War were either from Estonia or Finland?
It was a conspiracy, no doubt ;-)
But the man had no problems here. It seems he was going crazy in Perm. Here he just came to talk in 1917 and promised support for reds. He was a very effiecient bolsheviks. Way better than about 90 percent of the people his henchmen murdered in the 30s.
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Finland

#63 Mar 7, 2013
SWG wrote:
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Stalingrad was a waiting game in which the USSR won because they knew that Hitler was playing a fools games and would not admit to a mistake in military judgement. Kursk?.....The USSR had the total battle plan and still almost lost. So much for that. Had Hitler listened to Manstien there would not have even been a battle of Kursk and the USSR would have lost the war in a matter of months. Yes I know, you will come back with some BS but to no avail it is tried and true and has been played out in every war game scenario and the answer is always the same. Strictly by the numbers.
I notice that you didn't adress Pierres point about Joe stopping Lev. So you think it is a good thing?
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Finland

#64 Mar 7, 2013
Annie wrote:
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He killed more of his own people than nazis. The fact they worship him in Russia as a hero now just goes to show how much of a myth he created.
And got rid of Trotsky. buuuh huuuh you didn't get to impliment socialism in Britain. Most of the deaths by the way were Trotsky's doing anyway. Twenty million died before Stalin. Stalin didn't cause WW2. Poland did.

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