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God and Gays: The Rite to Bless Same-sex Unions

There are 1053 comments on the Time story from Jul 16, 2012, titled God and Gays: The Rite to Bless Same-sex Unions. In it, Time reports that:

There is something by now familiar, even reassuring, about what happens in my church every third summer.

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Robsan5

Los Angeles, CA

#159 Oct 3, 2012
NDE wrote:
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Village Idiot,you are just upset because you are a gay boy.
Oh, the poor little Village Idiot can't find his point. Are you sure you ever had one?

Robert
Sgt Common Sense

United States

#160 Oct 3, 2012
From Lutherans Website
“We believe that God values and embraces each person as a beloved child, that the Spirit gives a diversity of gifts for the common good, and that Jesus Christ calls us to work for justice. The ministries of Lutherans Concerned embody, inspire, and support the acceptance and full participation of people of all sexual orientations and gender identities, their families, friends and allies, within the Lutheran communion and its ecumenical and global partners.”

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#161 Oct 3, 2012
Robsan5 wrote:
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You have got it backwards as usual, No Clue. I haven't seen anyone really suggest that the bible supports same-sex marriage. The bible says nothing about same-sex marriage. It is you who claims that the bible condemns same-sex marriage. Where is this condemnation? Please quote any passage from any bible that condemns same-sex marriage.
Good luck.
Robert
This is the second time you erringly made this statement, I believe it was you who said it before.
So let's go to context of what I said that you have repeated in error.
I said the Bible doesn't support nor validates homosexuality.
I never said it condemns it. Large difference in terminology.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#162 Oct 3, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Both, unless your name is Bill Clinton.
SNL once did a skit about the Ten Commandments with John Goodman as Moses and Daryl Hannah (imitating Clinton) as an Israelite taking issue with one of those Commandments.
OK. So we're brought back to the distinction between an imaginary ideal, and the real.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#163 Oct 4, 2012
snyper wrote:
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OK. So we're brought back to the distinction between an imaginary ideal, and the real.
Only an amoral gnostic would call marital fidelity "an imaginary ideal".

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#164 Oct 4, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Only an amoral gnostic would call marital fidelity "an imaginary ideal".
It's tangible?

ok. Hand some to me.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#165 Oct 4, 2012
snyper wrote:
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It's tangible?
ok. Hand some to me.
You've never handled a contract signed by two people in front of witnesses?
Robsan5

Los Angeles, CA

#166 Oct 4, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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This is the second time you erringly made this statement, I believe it was you who said it before.
So let's go to context of what I said that you have repeated in error.
I said the Bible doesn't support nor validates homosexuality.
I never said it condemns it. Large difference in terminology.
The word 'homosexual' didn't appear in any bible before about 1940. Did homosexual replace another word, or was it added as an extra word?
And thanks for agreeing that the bible doesn't condemn homosexuals.

Robert

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#167 Oct 4, 2012
Robsan5 wrote:
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The word 'homosexual' didn't appear in any bible before about 1940. Did homosexual replace another word ...
Goodspeed 1923 -- sensual, or given to unnatural vice
Moffatt 1926 -- catamites, sodomites

All of the above can describe what is called "homosexual" today.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#169 Oct 4, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
Goodspeed 1923 -- sensual, or given to unnatural vice
Moffatt 1926 -- catamites, sodomites
All of the above can describe what is called "homosexual" today.
In other words, you favor the artistic license school of translation, rather than that of a literal translation from the oldest known copies of these works, especially when the original doesn't come close to supporting the license being taken. The Bible now opposes homosexuality because y'all wanted it to. We get it. It used to be kind of vague on the subject, except for that one book in the Old Testament that no Christian sees fit to follow very well otherwise. So y'all made it less vague, by inserting words into the original that clearly aren't there just to prove God hates us and/or what you fantasize us doing.
Robsan5

Los Angeles, CA

#170 Oct 4, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>In other words, you favor the artistic license school of translation, rather than that of a literal translation from the oldest known copies of these works, especially when the original doesn't come close to supporting the license being taken. The Bible now opposes homosexuality because y'all wanted it to. We get it. It used to be kind of vague on the subject, except for that one book in the Old Testament that no Christian sees fit to follow very well otherwise. So y'all made it less vague, by inserting words into the original that clearly aren't there just to prove God hates us and/or what you fantasize us doing.
Exactly.

Robert

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#171 Oct 4, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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Umm, I wasn't speaking of "other cultures". Your bad, not mine :)
I was speaking of God's ways with his "so called" chosen people and of his commands for just them.
I'm glad you finally admitted that forcing your ideas onto people who aren't part of God's chosen violates the principles you claim to stand for.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#172 Oct 4, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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When has adultery been synonymous with the word "marriage"?
Um, ever since you had to be married in order to commit it maybe?

Try to keep up. I'll ask people to type slower if that would help you.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#173 Oct 4, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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When has adultery been synonymous with the word "marriage"?
The poster said marriage wasn't mentioned in the 10 Commandments. I pointed out that it does discuss it.

This may be hard for you to understand but you can't be committing adultery if neither you or the other person has a spouse.

That would be fornication.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#174 Oct 4, 2012
Robsan5 wrote:
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Oh, the poor little Village Idiot can't find his point. Are you sure you ever had one?
Robert
I doubt it. I think they did away with dunce caps a few years before he started school.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#175 Oct 4, 2012
Robsan5 wrote:
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Oh, the poor little Village Idiot can't find his point. Are you sure you ever had one?
Robert
Too bad too, it could have been one of the high points of his life.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#176 Oct 4, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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You've never handled a contract signed by two people in front of witnesses?
Wow I never knew being faithful simply meant signing a piece of paper. I understand Newt Gingrich much better now thank you. I retract the dunce cap stuff.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#177 Oct 4, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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You've never handled a contract signed by two people in front of witnesses?
Don't you mean signed by five people?

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#178 Oct 4, 2012
Robsan5 wrote:
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The word 'homosexual' didn't appear in any bible before about 1940. Did homosexual replace another word, or was it added as an extra word?
And thanks for agreeing that the bible doesn't condemn homosexuals.
Robert
The word homosexual replaced the previous word(s)describing two people of the same sex being sexually engaged to my understanding.
I find it irrelevant to chase the word homosexual in the Bible. That's like trying to prove it's inaccurate to use the terminology "google it" for the word "search."
The ancient writings did speak of "same sex actions" and it not being seen as a "good" or "sound" practice. Paul spoke of it and so did Moses and many pro-same sex persons/scripture scholars admit it was spoken against by these two.
Being a person attracted to the same sex is no more a sin, than it is to be attracted to the opposite sex and wanting more than one wife. It's the act that was condemned directly and indirectly.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#179 Oct 4, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>In other words, you favor the artistic license school of translation, rather than that of a literal translation from the oldest known copies of these works, especially when the original doesn't come close to supporting the license being taken. The Bible now opposes homosexuality because y'all wanted it to. We get it. It used to be kind of vague on the subject, except for that one book in the Old Testament that no Christian sees fit to follow very well otherwise. So y'all made it less vague, by inserting words into the original that clearly aren't there just to prove God hates us and/or what you fantasize us doing.
Anytime you translate one language into another, it has to be about translation, not a literal translation. Claiming something to be a "literal translation" is a nice way of saying "We got it closer than the last guy in our translation process".
I took the following opinion/interpretation from a Jewish site on this topic for you.

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/life/Sex_and_...

An important point to make from the outset is that Jewish law does not teach that it is forbidden to be a homosexual. On the contrary, Jewish law is concerned not with the source of a person’s erotic urges nor with inner feelings, but with acts. The Torah forbids the homosexual act, known as mishkav zakhar, but has nothing to say about homosexuality as a state of being or a personal inclination.

In other words, traditionally, a person with a homosexual inclination can be an entirely observant Jew as long as he or she does not act out that inclination.

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