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God and Gays: The Rite to Bless Same-sex Unions

There are 1053 comments on the Time story from Jul 16, 2012, titled God and Gays: The Rite to Bless Same-sex Unions. In it, Time reports that:

There is something by now familiar, even reassuring, about what happens in my church every third summer.

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#898 Nov 20, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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... who are not straight, but actually bisexual.
Further, Paul's letters were not about "prison sex".
No, they were about pagan ritual orgies, which were normal for the time and place. Today... not so much.

Your insistance that an enduring pattern of emotional as well as physical attraction is required for or defined by a sex act is not consistant with the self identification and reporting of those prison guys and others who have used others for self gratification.
Does masturbation mean everyone who does it is gay?

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#899 Nov 20, 2012
snyper wrote:
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Yes. You are a Saulian.
btw: Ever notice that Saul NEVER quotes Yeshua? Not once.
Categorize me as you wish if you like :) Ever notice many of the OT writers never quoted God? Each had their own influence of the Spirit in their preachings, that later became their written word for future generations regardless if they were quoting God or Jesus or no one inparticular.
Robsan5

United States

#900 Nov 20, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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Categorize me as you wish if you like :) Ever notice many of the OT writers never quoted God? Each had their own influence of the Spirit in their preachings, that later became their written word for future generations regardless if they were quoting God or Jesus or no one inparticular.
Ever notice that you still don't have a point, NoClue? It must suck having a pointless life.
Terminal No Point disease.

Robert

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#901 Nov 20, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
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Stop watching FUX NEWS. It has rotted your brain.
Free cell phones happened under George Bush.
Illegal aliens do NOT qualify for food stamps or welfare.
The ethanol mandate came from George Bush.
These FACTS are indisputable, so go spread your manure somewhere else.
Man, you better get your facts in order before you start defending libs lol.
The lifeline program began in 1985 with Reagan, not Bush lol. Bush helped the program to reach the poor. But under Obama he made sure the poor got all they deserved of it. From the web...

"In 2008, the program was expanded to support cell phones which quickly escalated the cost of the program. In 2008 the program cost $772 million, but by 2011 it cost $1.6 billion.

A 2011 audit found that 269,000 wireless Lifeline subscribers were receiving free phones and monthly service from two or more carriers. Several websites have been created to promote “free” government cell phones, including the”The Obama Cell Phone” website at Obamaphone.net . Thus it's called the "Obama free phone", get it? lol.

Do you know what an illegal alien is? It's a person that is in this country that is not a citizen and has came into this country through "illegal" means. These illegal aliens under Obama are being given food, cash, housing and health coverage. If you doubt that information, please Google "California's illegal alien financial problem."
Let me school your uneducated mind a bit here. Illegal aliens come to this country. They manage to get on programs through the bleeding liberals that want them to stay. So they do the nasty and have kids. Well the kids now have certain "rights" being born in this country. But not total rights as any "legally born" person who's parents are legal citizens. So the few rights they have, it opens the door farther for the illegal parents to get on welfare programs since their kids are "part legal" citizens. California bleeding heart liberals embraced these illegal aliens and their subsequent kids on their welfare programs. So much of their billions California spends each year into red debt is for these illegal aliens and families. Get it yet? I doubt it.
Now for the ethanol program. Heard of the clean air act? It's the reason for the ethanol program. Guess who's mostly been behind the clean air act...guess :) Yeah, fricking liberal eco whackos backed by dems and libs. Guess what democratic liberal minded state was in the front for this program...guess :) CALIFORNIA.
Fricking get a clue next time lol.

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#902 Nov 20, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Additionally, no one is proposing shutting down the oil industry. We just don't support expanding it,
Are you joking? By not expanding it, you are shutting it down. The only oil that'll exist is from the remaining active oil fields. And when they go dry, that's it.
Fricking dems and libs in Alaska politics have stopped oil exploration by not expanding it. That state lives off the oil industry. If Exxon and BP pulled out of Alaska, where would you suggest the migration of over 500,000 people take off to that lived off the oil industry directly and indirectly for jobs? What would you do for the natives there in the villages that lived off the monies the oil industry pays them that affords them housing, electricity, water, etc? And what jobs would you offer all these natives that worked for the oil industry directly and indirectly that wouldn't have those jobs any more?
Being for alternative energy is one thing. But being absolutely stupid, there's no accounting for it.

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#903 Nov 20, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Homosexual acts are also preformed by some straight men, especially in prison settings, but also in other anonymous quickie sex situations. Pagan ritual orgies are no longer the main societal expression of religious belief today, but they were in the past.
Most gay people had straight parents.
Umm, the APA will let you know from various writings on the topic that a person will not subject themselves to sex that they're repulsed by or have no wish/want to engage in. Unless someone forces them to engage in such an act and that is the exception.
Straight people are straight people because the avoid same sex activity. If a straight person engages in bisexual sex and find they like it as well as straight sex, they are no longer straight. They're defined bisexual.
The reverse can be said of same sex people that get in a situation where only opposite sex is available. If they are truly homosexual, they will wait for sex with a same sex person. If they engage in bisexual sex and find they like it as well as same sex, they are no longer a homosexual. They're defined bisexual.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#904 Nov 21, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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No, they were about pagan ritual orgies ...
Then where's the chapter and verse in Romans 1 where Paul specifically blames "pagan ritual orgies"?
Mona Lott

West New York, NJ

#905 Nov 21, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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Man, you better get your facts in order before you start defending libs lol.
The lifeline program began in 1985 with Reagan, not Bush lol. Bush helped the program to reach the poor. But under Obama he made sure the poor got all they deserved of it. From the web...
"In 2008, the program was expanded to support cell phones which quickly escalated the cost of the program. In 2008 the program cost $772 million, but by 2011 it cost $1.6 billion.
A 2011 audit found that 269,000 wireless Lifeline subscribers were receiving free phones and monthly service from two or more carriers. Several websites have been created to promote “free” government cell phones, including the”The Obama Cell Phone” website at Obamaphone.net . Thus it's called the "Obama free phone", get it? lol.
Do you know what an illegal alien is? It's a person that is in this country that is not a citizen and has came into this country through "illegal" means. These illegal aliens under Obama are being given food, cash, housing and health coverage. If you doubt that information, please Google "California's illegal alien financial problem."
Let me school your uneducated mind a bit here. Illegal aliens come to this country. They manage to get on programs through the bleeding liberals that want them to stay. So they do the nasty and have kids. Well the kids now have certain "rights" being born in this country. But not total rights as any "legally born" person who's parents are legal citizens. So the few rights they have, it opens the door farther for the illegal parents to get on welfare programs since their kids are "part legal" citizens. California bleeding heart liberals embraced these illegal aliens and their subsequent kids on their welfare programs. So much of their billions California spends each year into red debt is for these illegal aliens and families. Get it yet? I doubt it.
Now for the ethanol program. Heard of the clean air act? It's the reason for the ethanol program. Guess who's mostly been behind the clean air act...guess :) Yeah, fricking liberal eco whackos backed by dems and libs. Guess what democratic liberal minded state was in the front for this program...guess :) CALIFORNIA.
Fricking get a clue next time lol.
"legally born"??????? hahahahahahahah

And you wonder why Romney lost?

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Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#906 Nov 21, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
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"legally born"??????? hahahahahahahah
And you wonder why Romney lost?
Good Lord, how many people have listened to the doctors Todd Akin mentioned when he said 'if a rape is legitimate, women have a way to shut that whole thing down'.

Or the fine loser from Wisconsin who claimed 'rape is a blessing'.

I was taught that over 90% of the population in American has an IQ of 90 or below.

I've never been more sure of it as I am now.

God help us all....

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#907 Nov 21, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Then where's the chapter and verse in Romans 1 where Paul specifically blames "pagan ritual orgies"?
Context joline.

Since the only thing Saul can quote (besides Plato) is the Old Testament, look at context, especially when traveling among the Goyim.....

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#909 Nov 21, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Then where's the chapter and verse in Romans 1 where Paul specifically blames "pagan ritual orgies"?
Since Christianity was just catching on, how could it be anything else? If you read the whole chapter, it should be clear he is addressing pre-Christian pagan cultures. 1:23 also makes this clear.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#910 Nov 21, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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Context joline ...
But where's the chapter and verse for your context, wrong-way?
Not Yet Equal wrote:
.. If you read the whole chapter, it should be clear he is addressing pre-Christian pagan cultures. 1:23 also makes this clear.
1:23 deals with idolatry, and there is no mention of pagan sex orgies in the entire chapter: that idea came from you.

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Earth

#912 Nov 21, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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And yet none of those verses support harming others needlessly, yet you want to interpret them as justification for doing so.
True, but Jesus sure as heaven advocated harming oneself physically to help save one's own soul and, modern Christianity would disagree with Jesus 24/7 on the matter huh :)

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#913 Nov 21, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
The nature of homosexual acts in the Bible are so very different from what we know as homosexuality today that the passages have no application to today's homosexuality. Such practices as in NT times simply no longer exist.
Alleged references to homosexuality in I Corinthians and I Timothy are the inventions of anti-gay translators. They are not in the original Greek texts.
The word "homosexual" wasn't even invented till 1869, so whenever you see it in a bible, you should immediately realize it is a mistranslation and misinterpretation of the original text.
From wiki...
The presumed references to 'homosexuality' in the NT hinge on the interpretation of three specific Greek words, arsenokoit&#275;s (&#7936;&#961;&#96 3;&#949;&#957;&#95 9;&#954;&#959;&#94 3;&#964;&#951;&#96 2;), malakos (&#956;&#945;&#955 ;&#945;&#954;&#972 ;&#962;), and porneia.[1][2] For example, according to the English Standard Version (ESV), the words translated by the phrase "men who practice homosexuality" (in 1 Corinthians 6:9–10), refer to the "passive and active partners in consensual homosexual acts".[3] While it is not disputed that the two Greek words concern sexual relations between men (and possibly between women) some academics interpret the relevant passages as a prohibition against pederasty or prostitution rather than homosexuality per se, but other scholars have presented counter arguments.[4][5][6] The historical context has also been a subject of debate.

Pro-same sex persons are splitting hairs over the spelling of a word and it's origins, but not the essential definition of the word which does describe the sexual act between same sex persons be they gay, lesbian, bisexual, homosexual or heterosexual orientated. The Greek versions defined the act of same sex persons having sex with each other. The translators did their best to use a word from their language to describe that Greek word.
Next, most Jewish rabbis/mystics/scholars of the Jewish writings, until the last century, most of those Jewish rabbis/mystics/scholars defined the verses in Leviticus as being prohibitions against male same sex activity. Their debate was where and when it was prohibited.
You can split hairs over the word homosexual and it's relevance or non-relevance in the Bible all you want. But the fact remains that the Hebrew and Greek writings of the OT and NT do speak of prohibitions against same sex activity. And the Bible never validates same sex activity in a loving committed relationship. Not even the ancient Jews wrote commentary on it in a positive manner to even suggest God was okay with it. Nothing was said of it period. So to suggest/state that God is well and okay with loving same sex relationships is to put words in god's mouth that he never spoke of.

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#914 Nov 21, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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From wiki...
The presumed references to 'homosexuality' in the NT hinge on the interpretation of three specific Greek words, arsenokoit&#275;s (&#7936;&#961;&#96 3;&#949;&#957;&#95 9;&#954;&#959;&#94 3;&#964;&#951;&#96 2;), malakos (&#956;&#945;&#955 ;&#945;&#954;&#972 ;&#962;), and porneia.[1][2] For example, according to the English Standard Version (ESV), the words translated by the phrase "men who practice homosexuality" (in 1 Corinthians 6:9–10), refer to the "passive and active partners in consensual homosexual acts".[3] While it is not disputed that the two Greek words concern sexual relations between men (and possibly between women) some academics interpret the relevant passages as a prohibition against pederasty or prostitution rather than homosexuality per se, but other scholars have presented counter arguments.[4][5][6] The historical context has also been a subject of debate.
Pro-same sex persons are splitting hairs over the spelling of a word and it's origins, but not the essential definition of the word which does describe the sexual act between same sex persons be they gay, lesbian, bisexual, homosexual or heterosexual orientated. The Greek versions defined the act of same sex persons having sex with each other. The translators did their best to use a word from their language to describe that Greek word.
Next, most Jewish rabbis/mystics/scholars of the Jewish writings, until the last century, most of those Jewish rabbis/mystics/scholars defined the verses in Leviticus as being prohibitions against male same sex activity. Their debate was where and when it was prohibited.
You can split hairs over the word homosexual and it's relevance or non-relevance in the Bible all you want. But the fact remains that the Hebrew and Greek writings of the OT and NT do speak of prohibitions against same sex activity. And the Bible never validates same sex activity in a loving committed relationship. Not even the ancient Jews wrote commentary on it in a positive manner to even suggest God was okay with it. Nothing was said of it period. So to suggest/state that God is well and okay with loving same sex relationships is to put words in god's mouth that he never spoke of.
Clearly, there remains disagreement among those who have spent decades studying the issue.

Yet you want accept interpretations which Jesus never spoke so you can ignore what he told us was the most important rule of all, that fulfilled all of the laws and prophets: Love others as he loved you.

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#915 Nov 21, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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But where's the chapter and verse for your context, wrong-way?
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1:23 deals with idolatry, and there is no mention of pagan sex orgies in the entire chapter: that idea came from you.
Context of time and place. Your desire to deny the existence of pagan rituals, temples, and practices at the time requires denial of history.

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#916 Nov 21, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
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"legally born"??????? hahahahahahahah
And you wonder why Romney lost?
Laugh some more :) You'r quite the idiot. There is a difference (that I am aware you're not aware of because of your idiocy/mental impairment that keeps you from researching actual information) between a person being "legally born" in the USA to "legal US citizens" and, a child being "legally born" in the USA to "illegal alien parents" that don't have US citizenship.
Now some comments from the web reflecting the laws...

When is a child legally born?
A. When is a child/fetus/embryo is LEGALLY born.
I heard and saw a video stating that some abortions are legally abortions not murder because only the feet and body of the child was out of the womb not the head, therefore it wasnt legally born yet. Does a child become legally born when the head is outside of the women's womb.
B. When the WHOLE body is out. For example:
This morning at 8:45am, my cousin went in to have a C-section, when Hailey was 100% hands, feet, etc. out, she was (legally) born on 7/20/09 @ 9:14am.
Mona Lott

West New York, NJ

#917 Nov 21, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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Laugh some more :) You'r quite the idiot. There is a difference (that I am aware you're not aware of because of your idiocy/mental impairment that keeps you from researching actual information) between a person being "legally born" in the USA to "legal US citizens" and, a child being "legally born" in the USA to "illegal alien parents" that don't have US citizenship.
Now some comments from the web reflecting the laws...
When is a child legally born?
A. When is a child/fetus/embryo is LEGALLY born.
I heard and saw a video stating that some abortions are legally abortions not murder because only the feet and body of the child was out of the womb not the head, therefore it wasnt legally born yet. Does a child become legally born when the head is outside of the women's womb.
B. When the WHOLE body is out. For example:
This morning at 8:45am, my cousin went in to have a C-section, when Hailey was 100% hands, feet, etc. out, she was (legally) born on 7/20/09 @ 9:14am.
Anyone born on American soil is a legal citizen. PERIOD. If you can't comprehend that simple fact, you have bigger problems than tossing red herrings about abortion across the trail.

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#918 Nov 21, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Clearly, there remains disagreement among those who have spent decades studying the issue.
Yet you want accept interpretations which Jesus never spoke so you can ignore what he told us was the most important rule of all, that fulfilled all of the laws and prophets: Love others as he loved you.
Jesus never spoke about inter-family marriage, should I assume it's okay to do it since Jesus didn't speak against it? Jesus didn't say anything about marrying animals. Should I assume it's okay to do it since he said nothing about it? Jesus never spoke against shacking up and it counting as a relationship like a marital relationship. Should I assume it's okay to just live with someone with out being married since Jesus didn't speak against it?
That's what the same sex crowd are doing with same sex marriage and what Jesus didn't say. They believe Jesus is okay and well with same sex loving relationships even though Jesus said nothing about it.
I don't ignore what Jesus or the apostles taught.
If you read any social history of ancient societies dating two thousand years ago, you would know the obvious. A marriage between a male and female, REGARDLESS of whom they're attracted to, was expected to happen and take place. Two thousand years ago, the key to existence was population expansion. Thus marriage was a very important happening within any one society. An entire village/town would gather for a single marriage. And a lot of times the marriage wasn't always based on "loving commitments". They were arranged marriages for financial and or personal and or political reasons.
So everyone was seen as one sexual orientation as we would define it. But people then recognized that people had different likes when it came to sex. And they tolerated those likes. They didn't define those likes as we do to classify each other into sub-sexual orientation groups.
"Most" everyone married to have sex so they would have children REGARDLESS of whom they were sexually attracted to. That was their way of life. It helped them exist. Understand?

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#920 Nov 21, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
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Anyone born on American soil is a legal citizen. PERIOD. If you can't comprehend that simple fact, you have bigger problems than tossing red herrings about abortion across the trail.
Talk about not paying attention lol.
I never stated a child born on US soil WASN'T a legal citizen zippy :)
What I spoke about was the difference of a child being born to US citizens in the US and, a child being born to illegal alien parents in the US.

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