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Power of the Catholic Church slipping in Philippines

There are 168 comments on the Christian Science Monitor story from Mar 6, 2013, titled Power of the Catholic Church slipping in Philippines. In it, Christian Science Monitor reports that:

As the Vatican commences its Papal Conclave this week in Rome , a test of the Catholic Church's moral and political influence is underway in the Philippines .

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ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#22 Mar 23, 2013
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
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It is pretty funny that you quote a Presbyterian here. The reformist movement targets the Iglesia ni Cristo too. Have you researched that or should I just provide some of their quotes about your cult?
Cretin Atheist,

Whether you like it or not but you have to face the fact that priests and nuns have abandoned the Roman Catholic Church:

"As recently as the 1970s, priests could leave their orders to get married without facing excommunication, and thousands did just that. But Pope John Paul II has granted far fewer dispensations for priests who wish to marry, so many clergy have had to settle for clandestine liaisons if they cannot reman celibate but want to remain Catholics. Psychologist Richard Sipe, who has conducted a 25-year study of priests, estimates that 20 percent are heterosexually active."

Reference:(Newsweek, February 23, 1987, p. 46.)

All Roman Catholics, U.C.C.P., Christian MIssionary Alliance, Aglipayans, Atheists, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Bereans, "Ang Dating Tumbong Doon" K.Y.J. Eli Fernando Soriano, Baptists, Seventh-day Adventists, Evangelicals, Charismatics, Spurious Born-again, Presbyterians, Orthodox, 700 Bar Club members, Episcopalians, Methodists, Branch Davidians, members of the American cults, skeptics, agnostics, and those outside of the true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) must improve their low I.Q.s!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Chauncey is on Vacation

Oranjestad, Aruba

#24 Mar 23, 2013
Yes, I am enjoying a vacation in Aruba. A place that the INC is mocked openly.
idiots united

Minneapolis, MN

#25 Mar 23, 2013
I read some word of wisdom that goes like this; Don't believe in what you don't see and believe half of what you see. I believe the concept of math because you could experience it and you can prove it.
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#27 Mar 27, 2013
Chauncey is on Vacation wrote:
Yes, I am enjoying a vacation in Aruba. A place that the INC is mocked openly.
Cretin Atheist,

In case you don't know, the Iglesia ni Cristo is all over the Caribbean!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#28 Mar 27, 2013
idiots united wrote:
I read some word of wisdom that goes like this; Don't believe in what you don't see and believe half of what you see. I believe the concept of math because you could experience it and you can prove it.
Idiots United,

God who is invisble because He is spirit in nature should and must be believed!!! Everything you see with your naked eyes are proofs of His existence!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#29 Mar 27, 2013
Newsflash!!! Sickness of Roman Catholic Priests, Nuns, And Protestant Ministers Revealed By The World's Tri-media:

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/wo ...

JOHANNESBURG - A South African cardinal who helped elect Pope Francis this week has told the BBC pedophilia is an illness and not a crime.

Cardinal Wilfrid Fox Napier, the Catholic Archbishop of Durban, told BBC Radio 5 on Saturday that pedophilia was a "disorder" that needed to be treated.

"From my experience, pedophilia is actually an illness. It's not a criminal condition, it's an illness," he said.

Napier said he knew of at least two priests who became pedophiles after they were abused as children.

"Now don't tell me that those people are criminally responsible like somebody who chooses to do something like that. I don't think you can really take the position and say that person deserves to be punished. He was himself damaged."

The Catholic Church has had its image deeply tarnished by a widespread child sex abuse scandal.

Napier was one of the 115 cardinals in the Vatican conclave that elected Pope Francis on Wednesday, the BBC reported.

The first non-European pope in nearly 1,300 years, Francis has signaled a sharp change of style from his predecessor, Benedict, for the 1.2-billion-member Church, which is beset by scandals, intrigue and strife.

He said on Saturday the church should be poor and remember that its mission is to serve the poor.

All Roman Catholics, United Church of Christ in the Philippines, Philippine General Council of Assemblies of God, Philippines For Jesus Movement, Atheists, United Methodist Church Philippines, General Assembly of Presbyterian Church in the Philippines, Convention of Philippine Baptist Churches, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Bereans, "Ang Dating Tumbong Doon" K.Y.J. Eli Fernando Soriano, Baptists, Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches, Seventh-day Adventists, Evangelicals, Charismatics, Spurious Born-again, Presbyterians, Orthodox, Aglipayans, 700 Bar Club members, Episcopalians, Methodists, Branch Davidians, members of European and American cults, Skeptics, Agnostics, and those outside of the true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) must improve their low I.Q.s!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Ozzy

Catskill, NY

#30 Mar 28, 2013
Newsflash! Felix Manalo was a rapist, adulterer, abuser, and founder of a cult with false teachings...and...

Ooops! Oh yeah...the world already knows that! bwahahaha

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#31 Mar 28, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Cretin Atheist,
In case you don't know, the Iglesia ni Cristo is all over the Caribbean!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Oh, I do know. You see, unlike you, I am able to travel the world.

No 'grandiose and beautiful chapels' here. Cinder blocks painted white, low rise, pretty boring really. As this is holy week, churches are posting their service schedules in the tourist rags. The INC is nowhere to be found. In fact, our house staff asked is we would be willing to give them Friday afternoon off. We told them to take the entire day to do what they do on Good Friday. They were thrilled and rewarded us by cooking a lobster and shrimp feast on the beach last night. We asked them to join us and I believe they thought we would, as they were ready with extra settings! The conversation soon turned to how people celebrate Easter here. They were fairly traditional - a big meal after services on Sunday morning and then a visit to the local cemetery to spruce up the crypts of their loved ones. They were all Roman Catholics. There are several parishes here and the four present represented four of the five RC parishes on Aruba. I asked about the INC and was met with overwhelming disgust. Three of our staff are Pinoys and were heavily pressured by the INC to abandon their faith. The other staff member is Aruban but the result of Spanish and Dutch heritage. She too was pretty outspoken about the INC. They all called it a cult repeatedly and spoke of colleagues/friends who grew distant once they became involved with that group. Childhood friends were now ignored and secrets became their legacy.

Even here, in the Caribbean, people mock the INC for being a cult of evil.
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#32 Apr 1, 2013
Chauncey is on Vacation wrote:
Yes, I am enjoying a vacation in Aruba. A place that the INC is mocked openly.
Cretin Atheist,

This Roman Catholic "VICARIVS FILII DEI" is the subject matter always when people want to have some fun: The Corpse Synod

"THE BIG EYE-OPENER for her had been in March 897. Agiltruda, the queen mother of Spoleto, took her by the hand to the Lateran Palace. They stood outside in the bright sunshine with a crowd of Romans. Inside, the reigning pope, Stephen VI (nicknamed 'the Trembler' by his contemporaries because of his nervous disease), surrounded by his cardinals and bishops, conducted a trial. Agiltruda, a Lombard, with her luxuriant blond hair, blue eyes, impressive stature, and imperious voice, wanted everyone, inclding the child Marozia, to witness the degradation of her most foul enemy, a dead pope, A Corsican, Formosus by name. Pope Formosus had deprived Agiltruda's son of his due honor by crowning instead a hated German, Arnulf, as Holy Roman emperor in February 896.

"Agiltruda had led an army, seized Rome, and installed herself in Hadrian's Mausoleum. But Emperor Arnulf had sent packing home to Spoleto, breathing vengeance and hate. Pope Formosus had then set out at the head of his own army to capture Agiltruda's beloved Spoleto. But he died of a stroke (or perhaps Agiltruda's poison) on April 4, 896, and was buried in Rome as befitted a pope. The next pope, Boniface VI, was put on the throne by armed Roman citizens. Within fifteen days Agiltruda made sure Boniface was stone dead (after all, before becoming pope, he had been twice defrocked for unseemly behavior). She then put her own creature on the throne as Pope Stephen VII. Everyone, including Agiltruda, knew that Stephen was insane and subject to violent paroxysms of black rage. He was therefore perfect for Agiltruda's scheme.

"The venom and malice of that scheme was monumental. Formosus had been dead and buried for over eleven months. On Agiltruda's suggestion, Pope Stephen had the rotting corpse dug up, brought to the Lateran Palace, clothed in pontifical vestments, placed sitting on a papal throne, and then tried for capital crimes by Stephen and his cardinal and bishops. This was the famous Corpse Synod. Agiltruda had looked forward to it for a long time. This was why she came to the Lateran Palace with Marozia. This was why she was smiling and gay.

"Inside the synod, all went according to plan. Pope Stephen himself and a papal accuser cross-examined the rotting corpse (a trembling eighteen year-old deacon stood beside the corpse and answered for the voiceless Formosus). The conviction came when Pope Stephen, livid with fury, shouted:'Why did you usurp the See of the Apostles?' And the young deacon answered for the dead Formosus:'Because I was evil.' At that crucial confession, Cardinals Sergius, Benedict, Paschalis, Leo John, and the others rushed on the corpse, ripped the pontifical vestments from it, tore off the first three fingers of the right hand (Formosus, like every pope, gave the papal blessing with those three fingers), and then dragged the corpse from the hall.

"Marozia was there as the cardinals and clergy dragged the corpse out of the palace and along the streets. The shouts of the crowd, the smell of the putrefying flesh, the stones and the mud she and the others threw at the corpse did not let up at all. And then there was the dull splash as they threw the remains of Formosus into the River Tiber. Pope Stephen then sent the three torn fingers to Agiltruda, by the hand of Cardinal Sergius. This was Agiltruda's request. As the cardinal gave her these grisly trophies, he noticed the child by her side. Their eyes met. It was the first meeting between the two, but far from the last. She was then six, he thirty-six."

Reference: Malachi Martin, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Church, pp. 101-102)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#33 Apr 1, 2013
Chauncey is on Vacation wrote:
Yes, I am enjoying a vacation in Aruba. A place that the INC is mocked openly.
Cretin Atheist,

And the Roman Catholics and Protestants are already threatened by our presence!!! They are now starting to scamper away!!!

We are already in the Dominican Republic and in Haiti!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#34 Apr 1, 2013
Ozzy wrote:
Newsflash! Felix Manalo was a rapist, adulterer, abuser, and founder of a cult with false teachings...and...
Ooops! Oh yeah...the world already knows that! bwahahaha
Ozzy,

Newsflash!!! An Epidemic and Pandemic In The Roman Catholic And Protestant Cults Is Exposed By The Tri-media

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/wo ...

JOHANNESBURG - A South African cardinal who helped elect Pope Francis this week has told the BBC pedophilia is an illness and not a crime.

Cardinal Wilfrid Fox Napier, the Catholic Archbishop of Durban, told BBC Radio 5 on Saturday that pedophilia was a "disorder" that needed to be treated.

"From my experience, pedophilia is actually an illness. It's not a criminal condition, it's an illness," he said.

Napier said he knew of at least two priests who became pedophiles after they were abused as children.

"Now don't tell me that those people are criminally responsible like somebody who chooses to do something like that. I don't think you can really take the position and say that person deserves to be punished. He was himself damaged."

The Catholic Church has had its image deeply tarnished by a widespread child sex abuse scandal.

Napier was one of the 115 cardinals in the Vatican conclave that elected Pope Francis on Wednesday, the BBC reported.

The first non-European pope in nearly 1,300 years, Francis has signaled a sharp change of style from his predecessor, Benedict, for the 1.2-billion-member Church, which is beset by scandals, intrigue and strife.

He said on Saturday the church should be poor and remember that its mission is to serve the poor.

All Roman Catholics, United Church of Christ in the Philippines, Philippine General Council of Assemblies of God, Philippines For Jesus Movement, Atheists, United Methodist Church Philippines, General Assembly of Presbyterian Church in the Philippines, Convention of Philippine Baptist Churches, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Bereans, "Ang Dating Tumbong Doon" K.Y.J. Eli Fernando Soriano, Baptists, Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches, Seventh-day Adventists, Evangelicals, Charismatics, Spurious Born-again, Presbyterians, Orthodox, Aglipayans, 700 Bar Club members, Episcopalians, Methodists, Branch Davidians, members of European and American cults, Skeptics, Agnostics, and those outside of the true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) must improve their low I.Q.s!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#35 Apr 1, 2013
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I do know. You see, unlike you, I am able to travel the world.
No 'grandiose and beautiful chapels' here. Cinder blocks painted white, low rise, pretty boring really. As this is holy week, churches are posting their service schedules in the tourist rags. The INC is nowhere to be found. In fact, our house staff asked is we would be willing to give them Friday afternoon off. We told them to take the entire day to do what they do on Good Friday. They were thrilled and rewarded us by cooking a lobster and shrimp feast on the beach last night. We asked them to join us and I believe they thought we would, as they were ready with extra settings! The conversation soon turned to how people celebrate Easter here. They were fairly traditional - a big meal after services on Sunday morning and then a visit to the local cemetery to spruce up the crypts of their loved ones. They were all Roman Catholics. There are several parishes here and the four present represented four of the five RC parishes on Aruba. I asked about the INC and was met with overwhelming disgust. Three of our staff are Pinoys and were heavily pressured by the INC to abandon their faith. The other staff member is Aruban but the result of Spanish and Dutch heritage. She too was pretty outspoken about the INC. They all called it a cult repeatedly and spoke of colleagues/friends who grew distant once they became involved with that group. Childhood friends were now ignored and secrets became their legacy.
Even here, in the Caribbean, people mock the INC for being a cult of evil.
Cretin Atheist,

Arubans are now starting to realize as to which are the real cults and pagans!!! The false Mary of the Roman Catholic Church is not real and the people in the said island will soon realize this funny teaching!!! She, according to a Vatican teaching, is the spouse of Christ:

"O most Blessed Virgin Mary glorious Mother and Spouse of Christ the King."

Reference:(Regal Litany of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, p. 6.)

Imagine, a son marrying his own mother!!! Thus, a former Roman Catholic priest, Adrian Hastings, has described the Roman Catholic Church as:

"Church of sinners and of fools."

Reference:(Hastings, Adrian. In Filial Disobedience, p. 126.)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Anonymous

Makati, Philippines

#36 Apr 1, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Idiots United,
God who is invisble because He is spirit in nature should and must be believed!!! Everything you see with your naked eyes are proofs of His existence!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
WHAHAHAHA YOU MAKE ME LAUGH AGAIN and again...

God who is invisble- improve your spelling NO IQ Arius follower

ELIAS IBARRA - Best in Spelling Bee.

In wrong grammar there is a right thought
but in wrong spelling there is a wrong meaning

Non-Trinitarian ARIAN Elias believe in spirit in nature God with wrong spelling invisble (jejemon)
Anonymous

Makati, Philippines

#37 Apr 1, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Cretin Atheist,
And the Roman Catholics and Protestants are already threatened by our presence!!! They are now starting to scamper away!!!
We are already in the Dominican Republic and in Haiti!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
In your Dreams!!!

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#38 Apr 1, 2013
All of those words and he still couldn't refute the fact that he will soon die from the AIDS he received from the INC minister who 'saved' him.

I loved Aruba. I enjoyed the people who shared the Holy Week with my family. The fact that they were avowed INC exposers made it all that much more delightful.

You will soon be rotting in your grave, Don Quixote of Guam. Thank that minister for me. He made you HIV+ and I make you my bitch.
crystal

Burnaby, Canada

#39 Apr 1, 2013
Actually , there's too many Churches are slipping away. There's too many Churches were closed down because of lack of people going to Church. People are tired of hearing too many Violence around the world.
crystal

Burnaby, Canada

#40 Apr 1, 2013
Someone told me that the Roxas Boulevard are mostly underground business and run by all illegal foreigners like Visa, Passport, Human Trafficking, underground agency, recruiting agencies, pirated movies from USA sold by expat Foreigners, Australian Human Traffickers hired Young Pinays to work in the Luxury Yacht by an Australian via en route Singapore, Hongkong, Macao and exploited them sexually . It's hard for Philippines to catch these Human Traffickers because they have close connections with the retired US Military men who's been living in the Philippines for many years. Of the Philippines are really serious to get rid of the prostitution in the Philippines, they should Ban all the Bars in the Philippines. I mean close all the Bars. Because these Foreigners men exploited these young girls for their own bread and butter.

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#41 Apr 1, 2013
Someone told me that the most desperate OFWs head to Canada. Once there, they overstay their welcome and pretend to know what is going on back home.

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Crystal is still upset that her nieces chose to suck and fuck foreigners for pesos. They seem to prefer our larger cocks and mattress skills. Her nieces are worth the 250p they charge for the night. Look them up when in the RP.
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#43 Apr 4, 2013
israelNOTpinas wrote:
<quoted text>
WHAHAHAHA YOU MAKE ME LAUGH AGAIN and again...
God who is invisble- improve your spelling NO IQ Arius follower
ELIAS IBARRA - Best in Spelling Bee.
In wrong grammar there is a right thought
but in wrong spelling there is a wrong meaning
Non-Trinitarian ARIAN Elias believe in spirit in nature God with wrong spelling invisble (jejemon)
IsraelNOTpinas,

There is a right thought in a wrong grammar??? You make me laugh!!! God is invisible and He was not the one who was nailed on the cross but His Son, Jesus Christ!!!

Trinitarianism is a violation of biblical precepts because:

" ... Although these Aramaic-speaking Jewish believers saw Jesus as the prophet of God, they did not consider him to be ontologically divine."

" ... Bagaman ang mga mananampalatayang Judiong ito na nagsasalita ng Aramaiko ay nakita si Jesus bilang propeta ng Diyos, hindi nila ipinalagay na siya ay likas na Diyos (ontologically divine)."

Reference:(The First Coming: How the Kingdom of God Became Christianity, p. 13. New York: Random House, 1986.)

All spurious "Born-again", Roman Catholics, United Church of Christ in the Philippines, Philippine General Council of Assemblies of God, Philippines For Jesus Movement, Atheists, United Methodist Church Philippines, General Assembly of Presbyterian Church in the Philippines, Convention of Philippine Baptist Churches, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Bereans, "Ang Dating Tumbong Doon" K.Y.J. Eli Fernando Soriano, Baptists, Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches, Seventh-day Adventists, Evangelicals, Charismatics, Spurious Born-again, Presbyterians, Orthodox, Aglipayans, 700 Bar Club members, Episcopalians, Methodists, Branch Davidians, members of European and American cults, Skeptics, Agnostics, and those outside of the true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) must improve their low I.Q.s!!!

Real Elias Ibarra\
Guam

ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#44 Apr 4, 2013
israelNOTpinas wrote:
<quoted text>
In your Dreams!!!
IsraelNOTpinas,

It is not a dream but a reality!!! Your faithfuls are no longer going to your churhes but they go to the malls instead:

"The first decade of the 21st century is characterized by a "Great Religious Recession". Making matters worse, the economic recession in 2007 "did not drive people to religion; instead, it drove religion farther into irrelevance." (p. 82)

"In the United States for example, the Willow Creek Community Church---one of America's famous megachurches---"has suffered membership stagnation and a lack of enthusiasm among the faithful".(Ibid. p.73.)

"Even the Catholic Church has barely maintained its share of the population, mostly because immigrant Catholics offset the massive loss of U.S.-born members".(Ibid. p.20)

Reference:(Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of New Spiritual Awakening, pp. 82, 73, 20.)
An Italian weekly magazine, Sette, which boasts of a circulation reaching 483,000, vivvidly illustrated this rapid decline in Catholic members' enthusiasm in their religion. In an article written by Cesare Fiume in its April 5, 2012 issue, the publication made this observation:

"The number of Catholic marriages and that of priests and nuns are lessened (beaten). To bring religion to the members they must go to the malls ...Here is the 'spiritual X-ray' of Italy. The church was reopened Sunday for Palm Sunday, after months of closure. It was closed from Christmas and remained so until the day before yesterday--unless for some funeral host--due to lack of offerings. The alms were no longer enough to pay the bills for electricity and heating, so the pastor has barred the door ..."

The author likened the Catholic Church to a "candle that is consumed at the base," lamenting that the churches (are) empty, no more odor of frankincense ..." The magnitude of this problem is underscored by the fact that Italy is the seat of Catholicism---yet the "spiritual recession" among her adherents there is strikingly evident. This general atrophy in people's zeal for God is precisely the fulfillment of Christ's prophecy that in these last days, the love of many will grow cold.

Reference: Cesare Fiume. Sette. April 5, 2012 issue.

Spurious Trinitarian chapels are being closed and sold to the Iglesia ni Cristo because these have suffered the so-called "Great Religious Recession"!!! These cults could no longer pay their electric and heating bills!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

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